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Puzzle & Dragons |OT4| Co-op Edition: Stoning With Friends
- Thread starter Cosmo Clock 21
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I think I'm with you. I'm leaning toward Beach REM or Academy. I'm apparently the only one without a Bmeta and she fits a specific utility role I lack (double SBR bind clear).
Though Academy Orochi is pretty good bait I'm not sure there's much more for me in that REM. I don't need GKali or GAthena or any of the other high end rolls.
It'll really depend on what shows up in PCGF.
Looking over the cards for the current PCGF and thinking about my needs as compared to the last one. I'm in a really different place. So is the game, I think. I don't think there is a strong argument for any GFE outside of maybe Fujin. Most are, at best, great on one team or niche inherits.
Pantheons though...there are a lot. Specifically, I could use Meimei, haku, sarasvati, krishna, indra, ganesha, astaroth, and others. I'm not sure what to vote for. Last time I logged into facebook was the last PCGF.
On the other hand, depending on what gets voted in, I could see myself not rolling this time. I'm currently pretty anti-GFE, and the few that I do want are 6* and unlikely to be voted in either way.
I've been thinking a lot about the red myr situation. If it is an MP card and if it has a somewhat improved leaderskill, it could be a real player. People like to bash on heartcross, but myr is still plenty playable. I've heard speculation that she will just be myr with a 7x6, which I suspect would end up being crazy. Red myr also has a few great options not available in blue or light. Kuvia is a pretty big one in that she is better for red than kanna is for light. How? That active skill is crazy, it combos with both saria and verdandi for 2/3 fire 1/3 light and it generates heart skyfall, making it easier to shield the next turn. Also, she has four TPA and nearly as much attack. Downside is being bindable and not contributing SBR; but one sounds nuts. The other unique sub is that eldora MP monster. If combo shields are the big check on heart-cross leads, having a combo+ sub that tends to create an activatable board sounds great. And all of that is before any hypothetical improvement to LS. I doubt she'll be worth it if she is merely a Myr recolor, but if she is a recolor with a few improvements, I'm pretty optimistic.
Academy seems a bit...lackluster overall. The four stars are of questionable value, dealing true damage to one enemy and having a minimal bind clear. The better rolls are pretty lame as well, with both orochi and acala just being recolors of extant great cards. I'm guessing we get a free roll this time, as it is the first time around since they started doing that?
Beach seems much better IMO. B. Escha and B. Meta are real prizes for Meri, but things like pirate sonia and summer pandora have applications as well. Four stars are still four stars, but some are genuinely useful. I already have B. Meta and Summer Urd, I'm still considering rolling pretty hard when it comes around.
Pantheons though...there are a lot. Specifically, I could use Meimei, haku, sarasvati, krishna, indra, ganesha, astaroth, and others. I'm not sure what to vote for. Last time I logged into facebook was the last PCGF.
On the other hand, depending on what gets voted in, I could see myself not rolling this time. I'm currently pretty anti-GFE, and the few that I do want are 6* and unlikely to be voted in either way.
I've been thinking a lot about the red myr situation. If it is an MP card and if it has a somewhat improved leaderskill, it could be a real player. People like to bash on heartcross, but myr is still plenty playable. I've heard speculation that she will just be myr with a 7x6, which I suspect would end up being crazy. Red myr also has a few great options not available in blue or light. Kuvia is a pretty big one in that she is better for red than kanna is for light. How? That active skill is crazy, it combos with both saria and verdandi for 2/3 fire 1/3 light and it generates heart skyfall, making it easier to shield the next turn. Also, she has four TPA and nearly as much attack. Downside is being bindable and not contributing SBR; but one sounds nuts. The other unique sub is that eldora MP monster. If combo shields are the big check on heart-cross leads, having a combo+ sub that tends to create an activatable board sounds great. And all of that is before any hypothetical improvement to LS. I doubt she'll be worth it if she is merely a Myr recolor, but if she is a recolor with a few improvements, I'm pretty optimistic.
Academy seems a bit...lackluster overall. The four stars are of questionable value, dealing true damage to one enemy and having a minimal bind clear. The better rolls are pretty lame as well, with both orochi and acala just being recolors of extant great cards. I'm guessing we get a free roll this time, as it is the first time around since they started doing that?
Beach seems much better IMO. B. Escha and B. Meta are real prizes for Meri, but things like pirate sonia and summer pandora have applications as well. Four stars are still four stars, but some are genuinely useful. I already have B. Meta and Summer Urd, I'm still considering rolling pretty hard when it comes around.
I used Meri, Fujin inherit, gravity inherit, and the blue unlocker from voltron. Everything can be blasted in one hit except Ninegaruda, just do a couple 9x no row to chip him down then gravity and kill. You can stall on Hera-Ur if she's nice and doesn't continually eat hearts, or you can bring a heart maker as insurance. Fujin Sadalemek. Use the orb unlock in case you get some bad luck on Ninegaruda.
SecretMoblin
Member
5-coin dimension dragons ;___;
time to skill up the remaining 5 tsubakis, 3 sumires, and kaede
time to skill up the remaining 5 tsubakis, 3 sumires, and kaede
Haven't yet, but I suspect it can be minerva'd as nine-dragon isn't very scary for her. You can also stall forever on the first two floors to have something to deal with the challenging floors (the puppet and the blue dragon).
I'm not that bad off, but I am not looking forward to 2 sumires, a tsubaki, and a kaede.
I suspect that the tsubaki system is actually a reasonable option for several tri-challenges. We'll see!
SecretMoblin
Member
I'd love to mess around with an Astaroth team as I have 1 each of Michael/Parvati/Romia/Artemis and plenty of inherits among Australis/Perseus/Meimei/Verdumbdi/Cameo/etc. If my math is correct Cameo would give x4 burst with 10 row enhances, which is nuts.
The problem is that I don't think it'll be that much better at attempting A3 than D.Athena. I'm considering plunking down the MP for the puppet, farming up fire resist latents (do I even technically need 100%?) and just Minerva-ing my way through a bunch of times so I can get the proper killer latents to take it on more consistently with other teams.
The problem is that I don't think it'll be that much better at attempting A3 than D.Athena. I'm considering plunking down the MP for the puppet, farming up fire resist latents (do I even technically need 100%?) and just Minerva-ing my way through a bunch of times so I can get the proper killer latents to take it on more consistently with other teams.
You need 100% for Lifive. His GTFO attack will kill you even with 99% resist.. I think the Radars have similar GTFO attacks but I remember doing the math on Lifive and being sad.
You could in theory kill him before that but it's unlikely. If you need a real reason to run NotMinerva it's the time commitment. A good run is ~45 minutes for me. Enough that once I got the Radars I stopped using the team for that (I bust it out for BS challenges though).
Asty is a slower clear than Dathena but I'd argue just as consistent if you have the right inherits. Tanky stats and bind immunity go a long way.
I cleaned HOUSE last PCGF. Both of my accounts leveled up so hard. I think back to the time before that PCGF when I was self co-oping Oda Nobunaga and Sheen (ya the fucking jewel princess)... No one should have to live like that.
PCGF is only a trap if the voters make it a trap. With revos making pantheon gods prominent once again, there is a real chance that the voters will actually produce a good line-up for this PCGF. Will there still be some 6*s in it? Of course. Fujin, at the very least.
But we could also have the chance to have the very best pantheon gods available without the risk of pulling their less kin. Think about it: Kush with no risk of Izanagi. Liu Bei with no risk of Lu Bu. Haku with no risk of Sakuya (I'm not the only one who is sick of rolling her, right?). Raphael with no risk of the bad Lucifer.
Well, I suppose there would still be the tiny risk of them that is always present in the REM. And possibly a larger risk of some, depending on the Gala.
But my point is: PCGF doesn't have to be a trap. And this time, it might not be a trap. We'll just have to wait and see.
But we could also have the chance to have the very best pantheon gods available without the risk of pulling their less kin. Think about it: Kush with no risk of Izanagi. Liu Bei with no risk of Lu Bu. Haku with no risk of Sakuya (I'm not the only one who is sick of rolling her, right?). Raphael with no risk of the bad Lucifer.
Well, I suppose there would still be the tiny risk of them that is always present in the REM. And possibly a larger risk of some, depending on the Gala.
But my point is: PCGF doesn't have to be a trap. And this time, it might not be a trap. We'll just have to wait and see.
Pcgf is great for new accounts. For people with a well established box you should stay away.
Fair points but it never ends up that way. 6 star will lead the way and crap will spew out. I've rolled in too many of these now to fall for it again. I'll throw one or two rolls and stop there.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
roll for ruin always
Dark Athena walked over it. I didn't even bother stalling, just burst everything down. The last floor was a bit tricky but being able to heal continuously helped a lot.
I'm really liking having three very high tier 297 teams instead of my usual one go to team. Makes it more fun to switch it up on the tougher levels based on mechanics. Kush was great on c9, radra on 8.
If I ever convinced myself to get a gaming tat, I'd get this around like 6 GrimRocks
I'd have gone with Dath but I was carrying my alt.
Gratz on the clears!
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Re:Kush is strong
that is all
that is all
Nah, some combination of HP and SDR would be the best. TE is OK, but actually contributes relatively little, unless you use a bunch of them. Full HP latents can mean 300-500 extra hp per sub, which can end up being pretty significant.
Stay far away from attack latents. They are just generally low impact, but, for Meri, they will make no difference whatsoever.
That's what I've been trying to make, but I also haven't tried the arenas so I can't say how good she is for that. They key for me has been Nut because her cooldown is only 4 at max, and as long as you've got a blue orb anywhere other than the left column, you can get a good attack off with her special. That's saved me a few times, but I don't know who else is best there, I'm just using who I happen to have.
I use HP and I'm waffling on giving her SDR. I have multiple Meri's so I'm currently just inheriting one on her as ghetto SDR. Dark latents for DQ Hera and Zaerog's 100% gravity is a solid choice too.
TE is nice, but only really shows its value when distributed liberally throughout the team.
What's your Meri team look like these days and what are you trying to tackle with it? Usually I aim toward Arena since you need a bunch of bases covered but if your target is elsewhere better advice can be given.
My Meri team is usually:
Meri (Meri)
Sumire (Mori Motonori)
Andromeda (Ryune)
Isis (Revo Orochi)
FLEX
Flex is usually Sarasvati with Scheat inherit. I find I have a skill boost problem and Sarasvati solves that rather nicely. I'd like a different bind clear over Isis and Ideally I'll roll Bmeta in the Beach REM to replace her. That'll free me up to use someone else in Andromeda's slot if I want.
EDIT
Meri can stall absurdly well. She has a ton of RCV and can heal to full with 3 hearts 90% of the time. Her only problem stalling is max HP is a little low, but latents, inherits, and the HP badges fix that.
Her greatness is she can do both, blast her way through short dungeons, or tactically stall on the right floors and put out ludicrous damage when called upon.
Meri
Skuld
Sitri
Nut
and New Year's Amaterasu in the last spot until I get awakenings on Awoken Karin.
As far as content I'm working on, lately it has been descends, since I never cleared a lot of that stuff previously, and in most cases it goes ok. I've been trying to get those characters and evolve them, the ones I need for other evolutions in particular. I just got Reincarnated Persephone today, so I'm kind of all over the place tbh, heh.
The keys to tackling longer dungeons with Meri are to use as few orbs as possible (if you can get away with a single row rather than a full activation, do so) and optionally-but-recommended, to bring a water skyfall buff.
The big difference between Meri and ALB is that Meri doesn't need a skill to be used to hit her full multiplier.
I've got 2 max skilled Sarasvatis, is it worth it to bring both so you can constantly have the skyfall buff on the way I do with my Krishnas? The fingers would be welcome too.
I'm thinking about buying a Neptune dragon on my main in order to pair it with the alt's Meri if I don't miraculously pull a Meri on my next and final Heroine roll. I'm sitting at 550k and 450k MP on both of my accts right now, so Dathena isn't going to happen any time soon. Also I've got pretty awful dark boxes (no Haku's at all, or any other popular Dath subs) and I think I've got a strong enough water box on my main to justify it (Blonia, I&I, Isis, Mori, Skuld, Gabriel, etc). What do you guys think? I see NepDra needs way bigger blobs to get anywhere close to 2 Meri's multiplier, but even with just a single row it's 45x which is plenty strong.
I dunno, it's a big investment but I can't stand one of my accounts having a strong meta leader and the other one being left out.
Curious, do you have any blue subs with 2 Skill Bind Resist awakenings? If you swap NY Ama with Karin you'll lose an SBR and with Nut that means you only have 60% SBR. Andromeda is popular because she's a super utility pick for Meri. 2 SBR, 3 rows, Heart making active on a relatively low cooldown. For a good chunk of descends it probably doesn't matter but it's something to consider.
I like 2 Sarasvati's for Skill Boost reasons not just skyfall. If it's not a no dupe dungeon I'd run two (if I had a second). NepDra/Meri is a fine pairing. You won't often hit the WTF numbers Meri can but it should be good for most things. I'd avoid buying NepDra if you aren't going to be tackling any new content with him though. His skill is situationally useful at best and while his stats are good he doesn't have many non-lead applications.
Depending on your box it might be best to just wait.
I've argued she's one of the best stallers in the game. Not only does she have absurd RCV, but the no skyfall thing lets you horde orbs without the chance of killing a floor accidentally. I found her to play much better than I initially thought she would. As for skyfall buffs, they can be crazy. I've not had the chance to run sarasvati, but hermes and sceat actives are nuts if you can clear most of a board. It can allow you to activate, at least partially, multiple turns in a row, without stalling, with only one active use. Because of no skyfall, you are often left with giant blobs of blue turns in a row. Saras also has great awakenings. On the other hand, her active has somewhat low immediate impact on the board, so I would imagine that is an issue at times (it is for sumire).
Since my wife and best friend both have Meri, I've had the chance ot use some of your blue options and they seem very solid. I've also teamed up with nepdra a few times and have some thoughts. The HP is nice, but you end up having to move much slower through dungeons, as you deal anemic damage by default. Even hording orbs, you often will have trouble getting enough together without an active skill. It also doesn't help that Nepdra's active is both slow and typically useless. Also, I don't think a row is 45x with the pairing, it is something lower, like 30x or so.
Alright you talked me out of it then. I don't really do anything in this game in the name of chasing "new content" tbh, I mostly just like the collecting and leveling stuff up. All of my bottlenecking in this game comes from lack of player skill and/or apathy and not my actual leaders/teams. I'm sure even a marginally skilled player could take my boxes and beat the arenas easily with them. I have way too little patience for late game mechanics to ever want to put serious effort into beating stuff.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Arena 1 is likely easier than you think, especially with the recent jump in power creep. Just gotta stay wary of Sayonara Sopdet
I've got the blue/green Alrescha fully awakened, and the blue/dark Alrescha (not awakened yet). Should I swap out Amaterasu for now and hope for an Andromeda later?
This.
You need 5 SBR for 100% immunity, Meri has 0, Skuld has 1, Sitri has 1, Nut has 0. Swapping NY Amaterasu for Alrescha still leaves you at 80% SBR and without a bind clear. This is ok if neither of those issues are concerns, if you plan on going for a dungeon with either mechanic you'll wish you brought them though.
Do you have an updated box? I can poke around and see if you're sitting on something useful.
I'm not a fan of Nut on Meri for a couple reasons:
- Prongs aren't too helpful
- 7 combo also not helpful most of the time (on Meri)
- No SBR means you need to devote 2 sub slots to 2 SBR holders to get 100% resist.
Her other awakenings are great and her short active is perfect for a quick damage hit (if one other blue orb isn't in that column) but I think her downsides outweigh her benefits on this team. I'd pull her for B/G Alrescha till you awaken the B/D form. This way you get 100% SBR and keep Amaterasu for bind clearing.
Eventually you'll want to swap in something like Isis, Rinoa, or even Amon with a bind clear inherit on the team. If Andro is featured (at decent rates) I'd roll. My alt has been pining for her too.
SecretMoblin
Member
Sarasvati is a great Meri sub for tons of reasons.
You can also pair her with Ryune for a lot more HP and lower damage, although the playstyle changes (you have to use an active for full activation). Leader Blue Odin isn't quite as ideal as another Meri but is unbindable and works in a pinch.
If I cared I would reassign all my inherits and could probably take on A1 solo pretty reliably.
You can also pair her with Ryune for a lot more HP and lower damage, although the playstyle changes (you have to use an active for full activation). Leader Blue Odin isn't quite as ideal as another Meri but is unbindable and works in a pinch.
If I cared I would reassign all my inherits and could probably take on A1 solo pretty reliably.
Heck, my daughter has been pairing her with revo hermes--works ok if you have a way of reliably getting red. 78x attack on red match and water blob. Not bad.
Damn I own a lot of those. And I'm not even done Revo'ing most of the shit from the last couple batches. These exp requirements are STUPID.
I just stoned a dungeon (on purpose) for the first time. After 5 miserable attempts at Linthia Myth+ and going on full tilt and dying to the absolute stupidest crap (I actually died on the first floor with the dragon seeds once I was frothing) I finally gave in and stoned it just to get it done with.
I hate predras so much. Every time I think I can burst thru the defense but then it turns out I can't burst thru the defense, so I just put Anji somewhere on my team where he will be least disruptive (subbed him in for a RagDrag on one of my Ronove teams) because fuck that floor.
You know, now that I think about it, I could have just subbed Ballerboa in for my Vishnu for defense breaks... And now that I think about it even more, why the fuck don't I just have a Ballerboa on that team anyways... If I put Balboa on my Ron Team, that gives me a bind clear and blue coverage so I can ditch my R/B Ame no Uzume and use literally any other sub to cover red in her slot... I could put Revo Horus on there with an inherit... Man why didn't I think of this sooner....
I hate predras so much. Every time I think I can burst thru the defense but then it turns out I can't burst thru the defense, so I just put Anji somewhere on my team where he will be least disruptive (subbed him in for a RagDrag on one of my Ronove teams) because fuck that floor.
You know, now that I think about it, I could have just subbed Ballerboa in for my Vishnu for defense breaks... And now that I think about it even more, why the fuck don't I just have a Ballerboa on that team anyways... If I put Balboa on my Ron Team, that gives me a bind clear and blue coverage so I can ditch my R/B Ame no Uzume and use literally any other sub to cover red in her slot... I could put Revo Horus on there with an inherit... Man why didn't I think of this sooner....
SecretMoblin
Member
^^^ yep, or use a friend leader with burst or laser inherit, or delay
Tbh I just blasted through all rogues but Volsung with ilm/ilm, DK tsubakis, and a ra on the team, that's when I finally understood the power of ILM
And ALB means ez MP farming
Tbh I just blasted through all rogues but Volsung with ilm/ilm, DK tsubakis, and a ra on the team, that's when I finally understood the power of ILM
And ALB means ez MP farming
Abandoned all the other gachas, but just can't seem to get rid of PAD. Kind of got back into it again recently, and miraculously pulled Julie and Uruka in the Heroine machine. I don't have or want to spend 900k MP to get her JP-approved Ragdra team, but I have enough water subs to make an okay team for now. All I really need is Orochi, so hopefully I can get one come PCGF.
1300 days in, I also have still never pulled a Haku, but I've made my peace with that.
1300 days in, I also have still never pulled a Haku, but I've made my peace with that.
I think a lot of the new evos/revos are a smoke screen for lack of new content - I'm not complaining about all the free stuff being thrown my way - between the MP, the stones and the new evo's I'm still starting the app daily.
I just don't see the need to make an Lmeta team at this point, most of the new evo's are fluff if you already have decent teams.
When I ran out of levels to complete I then had a ton of fun putting together different random types of teams. Certainly the best teams were given + eggs so that I could clear content.
As the meta changed I stopped making random teams for fun and just concentrated on the teams that were known to be the best for clearing content - sure you can change your inherents, but the limiting factor for end game testing is the ability to fully plus a team.
This stopped me from playing random teams - and this will stop me from caring about new evos unless there is some change in the meta.
perhaps the one good thing about being 3 months behind with most content is that I don't have to bother with a team or evo that doesn't become part of the meta.
TLDR/ I'm not bothering with Lmeta, not sure why there isn't more content available aside from a new descend every month or so.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Cause we're missing a good chunk of content locked behind PAD Radar
Really excited about the new Ruel ult..then realized I haven't stored any of the requisite evo mats. Sure, I could buy the evo dungeons, but all my stamina is going into skilling JP dragon callers (one Sumire went 2/10 on Tuesday; this is 5x skill-up!). Either way, that is probably my project.
My son, who is 7, is currently saving up to buy a monster point dragon. I'm thinking about pushing him towards Shivadra, simply because he has trouble doing much more than a row here or there. His current lead is red sonia, and he seems to really struggle with anything that requires a lot of on board requirements. What might be a reasonable paring with a shivadra for coop?
Predras suck. It is sort of like damage absorb in that, while some teams can beat them without an inherit, most teams will need to bring something wonky to deal with it. Bane of my existence on Gremory, as having a shield or poison up meant locking you out of one skill until that floor. Then when you used the skill, it did literally nothing for your board.
Specifically, with regard to L.Meta, we're missing Light Heradra, which I understand is the more compelling pairing with her.
My son, who is 7, is currently saving up to buy a monster point dragon. I'm thinking about pushing him towards Shivadra, simply because he has trouble doing much more than a row here or there. His current lead is red sonia, and he seems to really struggle with anything that requires a lot of on board requirements. What might be a reasonable paring with a shivadra for coop?
Predras suck. It is sort of like damage absorb in that, while some teams can beat them without an inherit, most teams will need to bring something wonky to deal with it. Bane of my existence on Gremory, as having a shield or poison up meant locking you out of one skill until that floor. Then when you used the skill, it did literally nothing for your board.
Specifically, with regard to L.Meta, we're missing Light Heradra, which I understand is the more compelling pairing with her.
Little Green Yoda
Member
I'm the same way - I probably have the subs to make a decent Shiva team but it doesn't seem like the effort is worth it when I have multiple better options ready to go (even when accounting for play style). +egg availability really isn't an issue nowadays though. More like the limitation of team slots lol.
A team like Dmeta is something I'll bother spending time on since the play style is fairly unique, even though the team isn't a to tier one (it's still good enough for most things)
I made one of everything new so apparently this is my life now. I'm lacking real sub support for new Rozuel so I just made her for the 2 SBR in the even I need an unbindable 2 SBR fire card for something.
New Lmeta is a great excuse to play a non-Myr light team. She's fun but that's about it. No HP and needing a shield is a bit of a hassle.
New NepNep is an improvement, and a good reason to make new Lumiel but again, she's not going to break into my main leader rotation.
New Lumiel...nope. Lacks a lot of the features I like in the other split ult and no compelling reasons to make her beyond Nepthys. Unbindable 2 SBR is her only perk over her other ult imo.
New Ruel...Now we're talking. She's not going to compete with Dathena but as a 5* REM roll she's great if you can field a team for her.
My current team is
Ruel
R MeiMei
R MeiMei
Vishnu
Odin Dragon
Vishnu holds a spike, Odin Dragon hold a delay and I'll be putting Gronia on Ruel and ishida on each Mei Mei.
I'm looking at a co-op variant with my alt who will run:
Ruel
GZL
Griffin Rider
Grodin
R Freyja
New Lmeta is a great excuse to play a non-Myr light team. She's fun but that's about it. No HP and needing a shield is a bit of a hassle.
New NepNep is an improvement, and a good reason to make new Lumiel but again, she's not going to break into my main leader rotation.
New Lumiel...nope. Lacks a lot of the features I like in the other split ult and no compelling reasons to make her beyond Nepthys. Unbindable 2 SBR is her only perk over her other ult imo.
New Ruel...Now we're talking. She's not going to compete with Dathena but as a 5* REM roll she's great if you can field a team for her.
My current team is
Ruel
R MeiMei
R MeiMei
Vishnu
Odin Dragon
Vishnu holds a spike, Odin Dragon hold a delay and I'll be putting Gronia on Ruel and ishida on each Mei Mei.
I'm looking at a co-op variant with my alt who will run:
Ruel
GZL
Griffin Rider
Grodin
R Freyja