I can only assume whoever said that wasn't playing on hard. I do, and I find the games pretty challenging.
In fact, in Trails in the Sky 2nd, I had to retry some boss battles quite a few times before I found a strategy that worked -- and I don't think I'm bad at positional RPG combat
Wait, wut? There are JRPGs with good combat? Actual recent ones?
UnderRail. Puts most turn based RPGs to shame.
Dragon Age: Origins
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect: Andromeda
Prey
Fallout 4
Deus Ex: HR
Deus Ex: MD
Divinity: Original Sin
Divinity aside, even these are only simply 'good', not amazing.
This is definitely something western-based RPGs should work on, but it is not nearly as dire as people sometimes pretend.
Especially since unlike some other RPGs, western-based RPGs usually bring a LOT more to the table other than the combat.
Such as? Certainly not music, art direction, or innovative settings? I guess they have more dialogue choices (some that even do more than slightly change the dialogue at a few scenes) and larger worlds if that's your bag.
The Witcher 3
Divinity Original Sin
Banner Saga
Wasteland 2
Witcher 3
XCOM/2 (I know it's not an RPG but a lot of people consider Fire Emblem an RPG, so...)
Darkest Dungeon (also questionable, but I'm throwing it in anyway)
Dragon Age Origins
Legend of Grimrock 1/2
In the recent years:
FPS:
Deus Ex HR-MD if you want a great stealth shooter.
The combat doesn't hold up very well at all imoKOTOR stands as the best combat I've played in an RPG. Most of that had to do with using a lightsaber.
Man I want to play this on my Xbox again.
Such as? Certainly not music, art direction, or innovative settings? I guess they have more dialogue choices (some that even do more than slightly change the dialogue at a few scenes) and larger worlds if that's your bag.
Anyways, since I like bullet hell I liked Undertale's combat, especially how varied it got and how it frequently played with your expectations. Mass Effect 2 and 3 were mechanically solid but most encounters were repetitive.
Of course GAF could simply list from among the many perfectly understandable examples like Temple of Elemantal Evil, etc, but instead the way to go is to list every game that is debatable even whether they are rpgs to begin with.
Compared to?
FO4 combat isn't good when measured as a shooter, and isn't good when measured as a straight RPG. It's serviceable, and an improvement on the previous 2, but that's as well as can be spoken of it.
At least that was a good joke.
Edit:
This game has some good combat. If some people think Witcher 3 combat are as good as Horizon Zero Dawn, there is really an issue.
I thought that the first time I played it.The combat doesn't hold up very well at all imo
Also the combat was the worst part of banner saga 1 by a long shot. Extremely simple, extremely repetitive, extremely common. Couldn't even finish the game.
I'm gonna go ahead and name the Civ and Total War series too along with that XCOM.XCOM
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 3
And...errrmmm...hmmm.
The combat doesn't hold up very well at all imo
Also the combat was the worst part of banner saga 1 by a long shot. Extremely simple, extremely repetitive, extremely common. Couldn't even finish the game.
I like Mass Effect 1's combat a lot. It's pretty good in all of those games. But I like 1 the best.
I'm gonna go ahead and name the Civ and Total War series too along with that XCOM.
Wtf?
Those are pure strategy games.
Oh my god, guys... Read the post I'm quoting.Guys, Civilization is not an WRPG, just like Ninja Gaiden (mentioned above) is not a JRPG.
I'm pretty flexible with my genre definitions, but c'mon.
Oh my god, guys... Read the post I'm quoting.
The problem is the most famous ones are on consoles where real-time action combat is more popular. Japanese developers have always been better at real-time melee combat.
For the best WRPG combat you're going to have to look at games that are willing to be turn-based or at least real-time command-based systems where you pause.
In Civ you move units on a grid every turn. They gain experience with every combat, level up and earn new skills. Like I said, if XCOM is now an RPG then Civ is too.The X-Com games have a lot of shared DNA with the SRPG genre, while Civ and Total War... don't.
18 posts to get there, but the thread ended hereThe Temple of Elemental Evil and Wizardry 8.
Fallout 4 does a lot wrong, but I feel like combat isn't one of them.
Fallout 1+2, no other series offers so many ways to utterly destroy some poor bastard's balls.
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