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WRPGs with good combat?
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I think the problem is a lot of people who don't build Geralt towards potions or spells ignore them, thinking you should only use the stuff you build towards, but that's not true at all.
TW3 wants you to regularly use potions and signs regardless of how much you actually level them. I basically put everything into sword and still used potions, oils, bombs, and signs almost all the time. They're all very useful even unleveled.
NullPointer
Member
"RPG" as a category in video games is damn near a useless term.
I don't see how Diablo 3 isn't an RPG by the whole idea of your stats having a major role in deciding the game's challenges and the player making choices of which abilities to use and when.
Its why I've brought up Darksiders 2. You've got loot and stats and leveling and skill trees and lore and dungeons and bosses and dialogue with NPCs in a well realized world. That makes it an RPG in the world of video games doesn't it?
bati
Member
Sure it does, when the jrpgs that are being used for comparison's sake are freaking Ninja Gaiden and DMC
I like combat in crpg's like Divinity: Original Sin, Fallout 1 + 2 and RTWP games (for modern examples, I loved the combat system in Pillars of Eternity and Tyranny). But it seems like you're not really asking for those.
OP asked for RPG's.
OP asked for RPG's.
FallenGrace
Member
Indeed it does! The amount of things you can do in and out of combat is pretty varied if you experiment.
Fantastic game.
GHG
Gold Member
Kingdoms of Amular is available on steam.
When stepping outside of Souls community in GAF, Witcher 3 combat doesn't cause such vitriol. I guess you are not impressed by it either, I have my issues with it too but overall like it. Can't comment on Surge but yes Diablo 3 is hack and slash which is under the RPG umbrella and also has it's roots in pen & paper RPG:s.
You have to be content just to get a few Divinity: OS mentions, you can't expect people to know the RPG that had the best turn-based combat before that was out
You have to be content just to get a few Divinity: OS mentions, you can't expect people to know the RPG that had the best turn-based combat before that was out
I tell myself the same thing with action combat and Mount & Blade.
I'd honestly never heard of it but I'm interested, how is the rest of the game and is it approachable to a newcomer?You have to be content just to get a few Divinity: OS mentions, you can't expect people to know the RPG that had the best turn-based combat before that was out
I did never play a Crpg before (well, I failed tryinh Baldurs Gate) and it is absolutely doable and fun. Story is just ok, but the game has some nice sidequests and the world design is great (imo).
StrategyFan
Member
kingdoms of amalur reckoning with the YSA mod
Nice, I'll pick it up. I always prefer turn based to rtwp - as much I appreciate Pillars and Tyranny, I'm not a fan of the combat
No, its still bad and tedious, rarely posing a challenge on that difficulty.
I think we played different games
DistortionOfReality
Member
Both already been said, but definitely Horizon and Kingdoms of Amalur. Satisfying stuff
Lincoln6Vacano
Neo Member
Horizon Zero Dawn. (if you classify that as RPG)
Best combat I've encountered in a looooong time
Best combat I've encountered in a looooong time
MrJoobJoob
Member
I felt like it was the other way around on the hardest difficulty. Instead of being able to use the whole arsenal of tools at your disposal, the difficulty encouraged minmaxing & upgrading a narrow set of skills. I think it was decent combat, but it was probably still the weakest part of the game.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Nope.
Most wrpgs are boring slogs fam
Mass Effect 2 and 3 have really great combat. Andromeda wasn't bad from what I played, either.
Divinity: OS has incredible turn based combat.
Even with potions it's nowhere near "super good" to me. I get that it's one of those systems that you need to delve into more to get the most out of it, but it's still quite shallow and awkward even when you do.
The Witcher games in general have had interesting combat but never great combat, and each instalment has had pretty big issues that prevent be from calling it 'good' overall.
Divinity: OS has incredible turn based combat.
Even with potions it's nowhere near "super good" to me. I get that it's one of those systems that you need to delve into more to get the most out of it, but it's still quite shallow and awkward even when you do.
The Witcher games in general have had interesting combat but never great combat, and each instalment has had pretty big issues that prevent be from calling it 'good' overall.
fixed
nah, not really
Yeah, really.
Why would you think something like that though, when you even haven't played most wrpg:s.
Actually, yeah. Most jrpgs are kinda really boring compared to most wrpgs.
Seeing all this discussion of what actually constitutes interesting RPG combat, I want to link to this older thread I posted:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1156508
It only applies to turn-based systems, but it's a systematic way that describes how I think about RPG combat being interesting or not.
And by that, turn-based WRPGs likely fare better statistically than JRPGs, simply because they are more likely to have meaningful positioning.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1156508
It only applies to turn-based systems, but it's a systematic way that describes how I think about RPG combat being interesting or not.
And by that, turn-based WRPGs likely fare better statistically than JRPGs, simply because they are more likely to have meaningful positioning.
Positioning isn't the end all be all of interesting combat, though. Sometimes it slows the rhythm down that it becomes more of a hindrance than a help.
What's "the rhythm" in this case?
bati
Member
Prepwork before the fights. In Baldur's Gate this meant going through the same buff sequence, in DOS (and other games where this option is available) it means maneuvering your units into position before the actual fight begins.
capitalCORN
Member
Christ at not only the first post saying Witcher, but other people repeating it. Not only is the combat itself so-so, but more importantly it stays the same for the latter 95% of the game. You don't unlock anything exciting at all. Just zero progression.
It really annoys me. Because calling such a battle system "good" is the reason we went from Mass Effect 1/Dragon Age 1 combat on PC to what we have now, dialogue wheels and 8 skills. Please no complexity whatsoever.
It really annoys me. Because calling such a battle system "good" is the reason we went from Mass Effect 1/Dragon Age 1 combat on PC to what we have now, dialogue wheels and 8 skills. Please no complexity whatsoever.
capitalCORN
Member
Maybe you should play some MOBAs for some mana/cooldown loop play. It's pretty much the epitome of it.
Sanctuary
Member
I believe I saw a "good" in the title somewhere. The only games that come to mind are Dragon's Dogma and the Souls games, which are both from Japanese developers, but structured closer to WRPGs.
Okay, you got me. Although turn based combat isn't exactly revolutionary, and it's easier to make it above average than it is real time. Plus, the game got particularly easy slightly over the halfway mark.