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[KZXcellent]

Nobody's really refuting Aeanas point. Ppl rush to a sales thread topic for the game. Yet new features and livestream threads barely make it to two pages
I've seen nicher games with no release date for west get more

I'll be truly interested in the game when it's localization is confirmed. I've only just got interested in DQ via the spinoffs.

 

[Ray Down]

Not that I think DQXI would do a million, but FFVII well above a million, and many of the other releases will likely surpass a million eventually. This is despite limited language support and regional availability, as well as FFVII being released late on Steam compared to Square's own shop etc.

Final Fantasy also has 10 times the mind share in the west compared to Dragon Quest.

 

[TheSpoiler]

Well, that escalated quickly. I wonder why no one wants to spend much time in such discussions...

Well, coming in and saying "what's there to talk about it's DQ" when there's a long list of changes finally coming to the series warrants such a response.

We don't even know if we'll get the game. How can you blame people for not getting excited about something they may not even get?

We got DQ Builders and Heroes 1 and 2. We are probably getting a mainline title. A release date would be the best option, but with SE, you can safety assume it's coming at some point.

VII and VIII on 3DS came out so late here that my hype was basically gone. Even if they weren't as good as the console versions, I was still excited for them when they were announced. Years later, the device seemed lackluster and it seemed like almost a disservice to the games to play them in 200p or whatever. They should have re-done the PS2 version of VIII for a console. Maybe then the western market would be excited.

I dunno, most people seemed to like that version despite the late release.

S-E has no one but themselves to blame for the lack of excitement around DQ in the west. It's too little, too late almost every single time for fans here. We're not a priority for them and they make sure we know it.

Maybe not, but it's not like people here don't enjoy their games or show excitement. DQHeroes was well recieved. So was Builders. And I don't mean just sales - here, people talk of those games pretty fondly. The excitement around them was pretty high as well, so I dunno what you mean by "little too late".

The last game in the series was an MMO so I think people have the right to be concerned about the direction S-E is taking DQ. Especially so after the "games as a service" directive and slew of mobile announcements. That's not what I want from the series and I have no qualms with spending my money elsewhere.

That's one game though lol. That's like not spending money on a FF game after the MMO dropped just because there was an MMO, even when the other games aren't that. The new game isn't going to be like that.

 

[NSESN]

Which is funny because at the moment it apparently has more pre orders than the 3ds version in japan

And apparently Splatoon 2 will almost outsell both combined. Pre-orders doesn't mean much, specially for 3DS games.

 

[GhostTrick]

Nobody's really refuting Aeanas point. Ppl rush to a sales thread topic for the game. Yet new features and livestream threads barely make it to two pages
I've seen nicher games with no release date for west get more

As I said, more people would participate if the game was actually announced in West. And most importantly, not many of us can follow the livestreams.

 

[inner-G]

Nobody's really refuting Aeanas point. Ppl rush to a sales thread topic for the game. Yet new features and livestream threads barely make it to two pages
I've seen nicher games with no release date for west get more

This is a mainly English language forum

All the streams, articles, everything for DQ XI are in Japanese

The scan images can't even be posted here

Expecting people to read/watch a foreign language website to get details about a game that isn't even announced for release in the US is a bit of a stretch, I think.

Having to read cobbled together translated notes via a message board speaks volumes about how forward-thinking S-E is when it comes to considering western DQ fans.

 

[randomengine]

It'll bomb on PS4. Thrive on 3ds and switch.

 

[Aeana]

Well, that escalated quickly. I wonder why no one wants to spend much time in such discussions...

We don't even know if we'll get the game. How can you blame people for not getting excited about something they may not even get?

VII and VIII on 3DS came out so late here that my hype was basically gone. Even if they weren't as good as the console versions, I was still excited for them when they were announced. Years later, the device seemed lackluster and it seemed like almost a disservice to the games to play them in 200p or whatever. They should have re-done the PS2 version of VIII for a console. Maybe then the western market would be excited.

S-E has no one but themselves to blame for the lack of excitement around DQ in the west. It's too little, too late almost every single time for fans here. We're not a priority for them and they make sure we know it.

But I'm not blaming anyone for not being excited about the games. That's not what I said. I'm asking the people who are insisting that the game would sell well in the west to produce receipts that there is much actual interest in the game, because I know there isn't. The kind of game that DQ11 is doesn't have much of a market in the west. That's just reality.

The last game in the series was an MMO so I think people have the right to be concerned about the direction S-E is taking DQ. Especially so after the "games as a service" directive and slew of mobile announcements. That's not what I want from the series and I have no qualms with spending my money elsewhere.

But this... what are you even talking about?
Because the last game was an MMO and they announced some mobile games, people should be concerned? Sure, if we were still faced with a dearth of information about DQ11, that would be completely valid.

However, there is a crap ton of information out there about the game now. This is exactly what I was talking about. This is what there is to talk about with the game. The dozens of new features and systems that have been announced for the game just within the last few weeks. And there's not a single online feature announced for the game! There's not a single feature in the game that screams "game as a service."

Just in the last two months, they've talked about the different battle modes, the skill progression system, a smithing system, and expanded casino, horse racing, monster riding, chain attacks and 'zone' state, transferring state between 3DS and PS4, the camping system, and more.

 

[Ridley327]

Nobody's really refuting Aeanas point. Ppl rush to a sales thread topic for the game. Yet new features and livestream threads barely make it to two pages
I've seen nicher games with no release date for west get more

It underlines how god awful Squenix has handled the series in the west. At this point, letting NISA take over their marketing and brand awareness would be a tremendous step forward.

 

[Laplasakos]

I think they've got their bases covered with 3DS, PS4 and Switch. The game should do very well for them.

Exactly. The only thing that Square must do, is find a good release window like Jan-Aug and not Fall. Some marketing will help too. They can put some TVCM during fantasy/sword animes/tv shows.

 

[Kyoufu]

This is a mainly English language forum

All the streams, articles, everything for DQ XI are in Japanese

The scan images can't even be posted here

Expecting people to read/watch a foreign language website to get details about a game that isn't even announced for release in the US is a bit of a stretch, I think.

Yeah, I agree with that and with DQ's spotty history in the west and SE's reluctance to talk about a localisation isn't exactly ideal ingredients in drumming up excitement and discussion for potential customers in the west.

I mean, what can you, as someone who wants to buy this game in the west talk about when there's no sign that it's actually coming out in the west?

 

[CaviarMeths]

Bit of a chicken and egg situation here, innit?

It's not that there isn't much interest because the games haven't been announced in the west yet. That's most likely backwards. The game has not been announced for the west yet because... western fans have traditionally not cared much about Dragon Quest.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Bit of a chicken and egg situation here, innit?

It's not that there isn't much interest because the games haven't been announced in the west yet. That's most likely backwards. The game has not been announced for the west yet because... western fans have traditionally not cared much about Dragon Quest.

Exactly..which makes ppl trying to tell them how to sell it all the more confusing. They've tried before. It gets announced for the west I guarantee the threads will still be the same. It's an enthusiast board if we're interested in a game Japan exclusive or not it'll be talked about

 

[Moor-Angol]

PS4 version will do fine in the West (assuming the marketing campaign behind it is solid) and average in Japan.

3DS version will do fine in Japan and average in the West.

Switch version will do fine in the West and huge numbers in Japan.

seriously, tell me your definition of "huge numbers" for a system that has not yet reached 1mln units sold and when DQ11 will be released probably wil have reached just half of PS4 current userbase (4,5mln iirc)

you say that 3DS version will be fine and Switch will be huge, lol

 

[TheSpoiler]

Big websites like IGN talk about DQ stuff all the time. All the info is translated and alive on English websites by the way.

 

[EDarkness]

Well, that escalated quickly. I wonder why no one wants to spend much time in such discussions...

We don't even know if we'll get the game. How can you blame people for not getting excited about something they may not even get?

I think that no one is invested in Dragon Quest in the west at all. There are no stand out characters and there's a lack of a cinematic style to it that doesn't resonate with western audiences. I personally own all of the DQ games and have enjoyed playing them since the original Dragon Warrior all those years ago. What I find funny is that my wife loves RPGs, but she won't touch Dragon Quest games. She'll play all of the Final Fantasy games, though.

Still, I think they didn't really do a good job over the years to plant that game into the social consciousness of players in countries outside of Japan. The style of the game just doesn't mesh well with folks so even RPG players pretty much pass it over. It's sad to watch, but it doesn't matter to me as I'll be playing DQ XI when and if it's released in the States in the future. It may not be a breakout hit, but I do hope they bring it over anyway.

 

[LizardKing]

I can understand how they feel, 3DS is at the end of its life, PS4 softwares a lot of trouble selling more than 500k, Switch port would be limited by the stock issue and limited install base.

This is exactly it. Like someone else said, DQ XI should have been released 2 years ago for 3DS only. And XII should be PS4/Switch (no 3ds) on the same day in a few years from now. Awkward timing and development for them.

 

[Calm Mind]

It'll bomb on PS4. Thrive on 3ds and switch.

I agree. Where FFXV had the luxury of exclusivity to one platform in Japan, the existence of the easier to pick up and play 3DS version and a looming presence of the Switch version puts a damper on the longterm sales of the PS4 version.

 

[Poot Poot Splash]

seriously, tell me your definition of "huge numbers" for a system that has not yet reached 1mln units sold and when DQ11 will be released probably wil have reached just half of PS4 current userbase (4,5mln iirc)

you say that 3DS version will be fine and Switch will be huge, lol

Quadruple dippers for the switch. They'll be playing it so much the game cards will break and thus buying multiple copies of the game.

 

[inner-G]

I think that no one is invested in Dragon Quest in the west at all.

I personally own all of the DQ games and have enjoyed playing them since the original Dragon Warrior all those years ago.

Mine and your own existence disprove your first thought.


S-E has historically been self-defeating though. 'We don't think the west wants this game, so we're only going to put this out half-heartedly and then blame the market'

It also doesn't help that they sat out of the western market during the JPRG franchise-formative 16-bit era. It can just never get the cultural mindshare here of a FF.

That said, there are lots of disenfranchised FF fans who miss more simple, menu-driven gameplay, and I think that's something they could capitalize on with DQ, but the more new systems, features, bells and whistles they add, it kind of detracts from the simplicity.

 

[QuackkAttack]

I wonder where all of these people who will totally buy DQ11 in the west are in the threads that are actually about the game and not its platforms/sales potential.

Totally buying DQ11 in the west on PS4 and Switch! Dragon Quest is in my top 5 game series of all time.

But, I'm not posting in any DQ11 threads because there's no indication of when it's coming west. Just trying to keep my hype in check. I'm honestly thinking it'll be more than a year after the Japanese release.

 

[kevin1025]

Totally buying DQ11 in the west on PS4 and Switch! Dragon Quest is in my top 5 game series of all time.

But, I'm not posting in any DQ11 threads because there's no indication of when it's coming west. Just trying to keep my hype in check. I'm honestly thinking it'll be more than a year after the Japanese release.

Same here. Quietly reading the threads about it, but since I have no clue when it's coming, I'm just sitting back and enjoying reading and watching things about it!

 

[LizardKing]

But I'm not blaming anyone for not being excited about the games. That's not what I said. I'm asking the people who are insisting that the game would sell well in the west to produce receipts that there is much actual interest in the game, because I know there isn't. The kind of game that DQ11 is doesn't have much of a market in the west. That's just reality.

But then why did you say this?....

It seems like you answered your own question? They can't sell a 3DS game internationally and hope for good sales at this point, but a PS4 version has the potential to do well.

I also don't think the PS4 version will actually spur sales in the west either. People seem to forget Nintendo pushed it hard in the DS days. With the remakes and IX. It flopped sadly. I do hope it can at least do well enough in the west to keep getting localized at least because not getting them would be sad.

I also don't usually go into game detail threads about games that I know I'm going to buy already. But I know that's not why there is a lack of interest in the DQ threads. Just look in this thread to realize how uninterested the west is in this game.

 

[Rncewind]

I know DQ Heroes and II has done really poor sales wise, but seeing it from a perspective of a AAA JRPG (NieR is 300k+, FFXHD is 300K+), I feel it has the potential for it. It would need to be day and date release though, and would need decent marketing. But anyway, this is irrelevant as the game isn't being made for Steam.

I'm looking forward to seeing what NNK2 does on Steam. Hoping for around 500K there.

how about seeing it in the perspective that it gonna release for 60 $ and not 20

 

[SinCityAssassin]

3DS version will sell more than PS4 version and eventually so will the Switch version. How the overall health of all three SKUs happen is beyond me.

 

[Dsyndrome]

I'm excited for the game but like most folks am waiting for a localization announcement. I don't really have anything to contribute except "OMG So Hype, when's it coming to the West?" I'll buy it when it comes out outside Japan, whenever that is.

Say for example I was hyped about Dragon Quest X back before its release, how much good would that do me now?

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Well thankfully their's a PS4 SKU so overseas performance can also come into play.

 

[L Thammy]

if only they could have it on handhelds too

 

[Philippo]

seriously, tell me your definition of "huge numbers" for a system that has not yet reached 1mln units sold and when DQ11 will be released probably wil have reached just half of PS4 current userbase (4,5mln iirc)

you say that 3DS version will be fine and Switch will be huge, lol

Not talking about numbers, only attach ratio: Switch version will have a very high attach ratio (not BotW levels, but closer), 3DS version will of course sell more, but it will still be lower attach ratio considering the total install base in Japan. (all IMHO of course)

 

[L Thammy]

Regarding the Western sales, I honestly think it's a lost cause. Dragon Quest strikes me as something that's just culturally incompatible with the West. The aspects that are meant to make it familiar and easy to get into instead make it slow and clunky.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I kinda want the PS4 version to be the best seller just to see everybody confused tired of hearing it'll bomb or shouldn't have been made. Glad there's a PS4 version more chance for the west

Give me PS4 pro support too

 

[ys45]

I'm excited for the game but like most folks am waiting for a localization announcement. I don't really have anything to contribute except "OMG So Hype, when's it coming to the West?" I'll buy it when it comes out outside Japan, whenever that is.

Say for example I was hyped about Dragon Quest X back before its release, how much good would that do me now?

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What this guy said .

I even want to buy all versions because let's be honest, the 16 bits mode on the 3DS is totally awesome.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I kinda want the PS4 version to be the best seller just to see everybody confused tired of hearing it'll bomb or shouldn't have been made. Glad there's a PS4 version more chance for the west

Give me PS4 pro support too

This could happen if overseas sales are notably good.

 

[Hero]

DQIX wasn't a home console game though?

Overall I think they wasted too much time.

3DS should have got an XI about two or three years ago and the PS4/Switch game should be XII.

Its been over 7 years since the last new SP mainline DQ game - ofc is difficult to give a predictions considering the game is on two systems(with a third version planned as well) and there havent been a mainline release in a while.

So from 3-5m everything is possible. Who knows.

I feel like this is the issue, Square Enix let DQ stagnate too much much like they did FF.

They made a numbered series an MMO then took for-fucking-ever to release the next dedicated single player RPG experience ( FFIVX -> FFXV, DQX -> DQXI) that some players stopped caring as much when they were forced to live without it.

I was there day one for DQVIII on PS2 and DQIX on NDS but it's been so long I kind of don't care because who knows when this will release with an English language, but that's my own take for the NA market. For the Japanese, I wonder, did the advent of other genres/series or even the rise of western games take advantage of DQ's absence?

 

[NSESN]

I kinda want the PS4 version to be the best seller just to see everybody confused tired of hearing it'll bomb or shouldn't have been made. Glad there's a PS4 version more chance for the west

Give me PS4 pro support too

So you want it the 3DS version to bomb so you can win an argument? That makes no sense and would be terrible for the franchise.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

So you want it the 3DS version to bomb so you can win an argument? That makes no sense and would be terrible for the franchise.

?? Scanning post where I said I wanted any other version to bomb...

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[Father_Brain]

But then why did you say this?....



I also don't think the PS4 version will actually spur sales in the west either. People seem to forget Nintendo pushed it hard in the DS days. With the remakes and IX. It flopped sadly. I do hope it can at least do well enough in the west to keep getting localized at least because not getting them would be sad.

I also don't usually go into game detail threads about games that I know I'm going to buy already. But I know that's not why there is a lack of interest in the DQ threads. Just look in this thread to realize how uninterested the west is in this game.

DQIX did decently in the West, albeit by non-Pokemon/FF DS RPG standards, not AAA console standards.

Anyway, I agree. I think going multiplatform will help, but I don't think the investment in AAA console production values will pay off.

 

[The Last One]

I kinda want the PS4 version to be the best seller just to see everybody confused tired of hearing it'll bomb or shouldn't have been made. Glad there's a PS4 version more chance for the west

Give me PS4 pro support too

Actually if DQ XI sells 1 million on PS4 would already be enough to prove many people wrong.

 

[CRIMSON-XIII]

Consolw or no console, DQ is ingrained in rhe Japanese culture like KFC sales on Thanksgiving in Japan. People will still line up in droves and buy it. Mobile be damnned for this series.

lmao

 

[NSESN]

?? Scanning post where I said I wanted any other version to bomb...

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The 3DS version selling less than the PS4 would be a bomb imo.

 

[CertifiedFP]

They could announce the localization at E3.

Smart move would be to include FFVII Remake demo with the release of the game in the west.

So long as they don't pull an Azure Revolution and shit out a demo that isn't ready yet in the name of pushing copies that'll poison the well.

I can only imagine what Azure Revolution could have been in a world where it didn't get its budget pulled because of reactions to a demo that needed more time in the oven but got shat out anyway to push VC Remastered sales.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Actually if DQ XI sells 1 million on PS4 would already be enough to prove many people wrong.

That's for Japan only right? Idk it's on another popular platform so maybe but I'm sure it'll pull its weight like the other versions

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I feel like this is the issue, Square Enix let DQ stagnate too much much like they did FF.

They made a numbered series an MMO then took for-fucking-ever to release the next dedicated single player RPG experience ( FFIVX -> FFXV, DQX -> DQXI) that some players stopped caring as much when they were forced to live without it.

I was there day one for DQVIII on PS2 and DQIX on NDS but it's been so long I kind of don't care because who knows when this will release with an English language, but that's my own take for the NA market. For the Japanese, I wonder, did the advent of other genres/series or even the rise of western games take advantage of DQ's absence?

FFXV had the best opening of the franchise in NPD lol

 

[The Last One]

That's for Japan only right? Idk it's on another popular platform so maybe but I'm sure it'll pull its weight like the other versions

Yes, just Japan. I can see this game doing fine on west though since PS4 is kinda on a roll with Nier, Noh and Persona 5.

 

[Oregano]

I own the vast majority of DQ game released in Europe(including Wars, Swords and Boom Street) and I don't go into DQXI threads much.

Well thankfully
their's a PS4 SKU so overseas performance can also come into play.

It's too bad Nintendo never released the 3DS or Switch overseas.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Yes, just Japan. I can see this game doing fine on west though since PS4 is kinda on a roll with Nier, Noh and Persona 5.

The latter of which imo had terrible marketing for the west so I guess it all depends. Right release date, some good marketing maybe it can do good

 

[Ray Down]

I own the vast majority of DQ game released in Europe(including Wars, Swords and Boom Street) and I don't go into DQXI threads much.



It's too bad Nintendo never released the 3DS or Switch overseas.

I doubt the 3DS version will come out west tbh.

 

[Trago]

How about a WW release? Get us while the hype train is hot.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I own the vast majority of DQ game released in Europe(including Wars, Swords and Boom Street) and I don't go into DQXI threads much.



It's too bad Nintendo never released the 3DS or Switch overseas.

Neither have the potential of the PS4. Overseas presence is the very reason the PS4 SKU exists.

 

[Calm Mind]

I doubt the 3DS version will come out west tbh.

Haha. Good one!

Neither have the potential of the PS4. Overseas presence is the very reason the PS4 SKU exists.

Good luck with that. It will need it.