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COMICS!!! |OT| May 2017 - Every Empire Falls

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Vic_Viper

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What book takes place before the latest Mockingbird series. According to the first issue, she was given the Infinity formula and Super Soldies Serum by Nick Fury before she was about to die? Don't remember that happening anytime recently?
 
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Weiss

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So Snotgirl is pretty interesting. Kinda like a mashup of Perfect Blue and Single White Female.

I wish it had a different name though.
 
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LordOfLore

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Vic_Viper said:
What book takes place before the latest Mockingbird series. According to the first issue, she was given the Infinity formula and Super Soldies Serum by Nick Fury before she was about to die? Don't remember that happening anytime recently?
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Bendis' New Avengers. Think Hawkeye forced Fury to inject the combination into her to save her life.
 
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If I wanted to check out Usagi Yojimbo, do I need to start out with the Usagi Limited Edition or is it ok to start out with the Yojimbo Saga vol 1? Are there Hardcovers for Vol. 1 anywhere that is a decent price or are they out of print?
 
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LordOfLore

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Messi said:
Gerads is awesome
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What did he do now/what did you read?

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Donniewahlberg said:
So I received some of my Valiant stuff through that I ordered.

The Valiant was a really good intro to the universe for new readers, and a clever use of an event to begin things anew, oppose to blowing them off.The nature of the threat, the characters chosen to participate and how the book is presented is all very much easy to pick up and run with. A character who is new to her position as a hero, a character who has no memory, a plot that is driven by it's characters but a plot which trades very much on a clear concept being introduced to those inside the story as much as the people reading it. Paulo Rivera really killed it on the art too. There's lots of clever little touches attributed to each character in the smaller moments, while the action is super kinetic and creatively framed. There's a nice thoughtful conclusion on the end of a few very clear character journeys that leaves it difficult to not to want to follow them onto their own books that spin out afterwards. (I wrote a deeper thing on this book in the actual Valiant OT for those interested, or that have already read it)

I picked up the full run of Bloodshot Reborn as well and read through the first volume today. I mentioned this elsewhere, but without being too reductive, this really feels like a Wolverine or Winter Soldier book Marvel wishes they had, in theory. In practice it's a very mature psychological thriller that's set apart by not being a Wolverine or a Winter Soldier. Ray Garrison is a deeply damaged man, given his freedom to live but not much else. How do you grapple with day to day life after being a mind controlled cold blooded murderer? How does your body hold up after the years of abuse. A good portion of what the lead character goes through is just as a compelling look at life after addiction and trying to make good on that second chance every day to yourself and those around you. Truth told, it probably couldn't be a Wolverine book in the modern marvel line, but that's okay; that's what sets it apart. I really don't know if I'm reading a fresh start for a man who's been through the fire and lived to tell the tale, or if I'm reading his final downfall, and it's exciting to follow. I'd prefer not to spoil how Lemire examines Ray psychologically but he uses a specific plot device to do so that is very clever, and allows for him to work through a very solitary journey without having to just really on endless text boxes, and it works in tandem with the art beautifully. I won't say it couldn't be replicated on tv, but it is a very comic book feeling way on tacklnig this specific story, and that makes it that bit more compelling. Yea, and the art is great, Suayan is gritty, visceral but able to capture the anguish and pain. This is a dark moody book but it's never muddy or obfuscated. Just a fantastic compelling character piece. I don't know where it goes next but I want to see.

So overall, the Valiant experiment has been a success so far. It's always difficult to jump in or start a new line or set of comics; where to start, how much will it cost, what if I don't like them etc. but this is a compelling superhero line. It pulls on it's greater universe to enhance rather than confuse matters, but between a large scale potentially world threatening event, and one sad lonely man who doesn't know where to go next, both books feel more like a creator owned character piece and stuff definitely happens in these books. If anyone else is interested, this is a great place to try, and both books were priced at an entry level similar to how Image handle their first volumes, so it isn't a big gamble.
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whatsinaname

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Vic_Viper said:
If I wanted to check out Usagi Yojimbo, do I need to start out with the Usagi Limited Edition or is it ok to start out with the Yojimbo Saga vol 1? Are there Hardcovers for Vol. 1 anywhere that is a decent price or are they out of print?
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You need this first (special edition) from Fantagraphics - Books 1-7

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1606998870/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Then you can start on the Saga series. - (Books 8-9-10 in Saga v1 , 11-12-13 in Saga v2, and so on).

Usagi Yojimbo Saga v1

HCs for v1 are available for a reasonable price of $500. (I am still hoping for a reissue because they only printed 900 copies of the first one while printing 1500 for the rest).
 
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arkon

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Vic_Viper said:
If I wanted to check out Usagi Yojimbo, do I need to start out with the Usagi Limited Edition or is it ok to start out with the Yojimbo Saga vol 1? Are there Hardcovers for Vol. 1 anywhere that is a decent price or are they out of print?
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The best place to start is the Fantagraphics boxed set. That's the beginning. Just having a look around most places seem to be out of stock which is unusual. There is some on Amazon UK but quite a hefty price (twice what I paid for it two years ago) even though you get a lot of material.

The Usagi Yojimbo Saga collection hardcovers are limited editions so the earlier volumes are likely out of print. Dark Horse are keeping the paperback version in print though. That's probably the most cost effective way to go.
 
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Owzers

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caliph95 said:
Wait till gets ignored

Also i thought thought we don't allow trash in comicgaf why is there Valiant essay
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'Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.'
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It's like that, we need there to be Valiant readers among us, and maybe even read an issue ourselves so that we appreciate the other books more.
 
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VanWinkle

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Donniewahlberg said:
So I received some of my Valiant stuff through that I ordered.

The Valiant was a really good intro to the universe for new readers, and a clever use of an event to begin things anew, oppose to blowing them off.The nature of the threat, the characters chosen to participate and how the book is presented is all very much easy to pick up and run with. A character who is new to her position as a hero, a character who has no memory, a plot that is driven by it's characters but a plot which trades very much on a clear concept being introduced to those inside the story as much as the people reading it. Paulo Rivera really killed it on the art too. There's lots of clever little touches attributed to each character in the smaller moments, while the action is super kinetic and creatively framed. There's a nice thoughtful conclusion on the end of a few very clear character journeys that leaves it difficult to not to want to follow them onto their own books that spin out afterwards. (I wrote a deeper thing on this book in the actual Valiant OT for those interested, or that have already read it)

I picked up the full run of Bloodshot Reborn as well and read through the first volume today. I mentioned this elsewhere, but without being too reductive, this really feels like a Wolverine or Winter Soldier book Marvel wishes they had, in theory. In practice it's a very mature psychological thriller that's set apart by not being a Wolverine or a Winter Soldier. Ray Garrison is a deeply damaged man, given his freedom to live but not much else. How do you grapple with day to day life after being a mind controlled cold blooded murderer? How does your body hold up after the years of abuse. A good portion of what the lead character goes through is just as a compelling look at life after addiction and trying to make good on that second chance every day to yourself and those around you. Truth told, it probably couldn't be a Wolverine book in the modern marvel line, but that's okay; that's what sets it apart. I really don't know if I'm reading a fresh start for a man who's been through the fire and lived to tell the tale, or if I'm reading his final downfall, and it's exciting to follow. I'd prefer not to spoil how Lemire examines Ray psychologically but he uses a specific plot device to do so that is very clever, and allows for him to work through a very solitary journey without having to just really on endless text boxes, and it works in tandem with the art beautifully. I won't say it couldn't be replicated on tv, but it is a very comic book feeling way on tacklnig this specific story, and that makes it that bit more compelling. Yea, and the art is great, Suayan is gritty, visceral but able to capture the anguish and pain. This is a dark moody book but it's never muddy or obfuscated. Just a fantastic compelling character piece. I don't know where it goes next but I want to see.

So overall, the Valiant experiment has been a success so far. It's always difficult to jump in or start a new line or set of comics; where to start, how much will it cost, what if I don't like them etc. but this is a compelling superhero line. It pulls on it's greater universe to enhance rather than confuse matters, but between a large scale potentially world threatening event, and one sad lonely man who doesn't know where to go next, both books feel more like a creator owned character piece and stuff definitely happens in these books. If anyone else is interested, this is a great place to try, and both books were priced at an entry level similar to how Image handle their first volumes, so it isn't a big gamble.
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Great stuff. Loved The Valiant. I'd like to eventually read Bloodshot/Bloodshot Reborn
 
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Tyrant Rave

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LordOfLore said:
The trades, right? You didn't buy all the old omnibuses right before the new one was announced I hope?
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The old paperback omnis. I got them for a pretty reasonable price off eBay.

The new one is gonna be huge and unwieldy as hell if they have all of this in it. I don't want to deal with that again. Doom Patrol was enough. I like the non glossy paper too, works well for the Kirby aesthetic imo.
 
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Donniewahlberg

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VanWinkle said:
Great stuff. Loved the Valiant. It's like to eventually read Bloodshot/Bloodshot Reborn
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It's great! It honestly just runs straight on from The Valiant super naturally, maybe feels a little darker? Then again The Valiant has some dark moments. I dug it a lot though. Of course vol 1,4 and 5 showed up first, and 2 and 3 are still out in the mail lol so I have these nice new books and I'm sitting on my hands.
 
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Messi

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I read all the current Archie, Josie, Jughead and afterlife series. I read all of the Jem stuff.

No one reads the OT so why do we even do that?
 
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Donniewahlberg

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Dark Horse can be up and down, partly because a bunch of their good books move as series of mini series and just don't show up every month. Partly because they just don't do a ton of original books, they still like their licenses and those pass in and out of good and bad. They're putting some consistent stuff out these days though, even aside from the Mignolaverse books. Black Hammer, Dept. H, Harrow County, Lady Killer. Alien and Conan have been pretty consistent on the license end, and then HB stuff. 3 books might do folks here though.
 
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Nudull said:
Forgot Jem and the Holograms was ending. Was there any word on a continuation ala Ghostbusters?
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Isn't there an event starting next month? Or is that the ending you're all talking about?

It might go away for awhile. Some version of Jem and the rest do exist in the new Hasbro continuity though. The new Action Man has a Misfits poster on his bedroom wall.

If it does come back, it probably won't be until First Strike finishes up. I'm tired of Transformers vs. humans stories but Revolution was good so I guess I'm still on board.
 
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mreddie said:
Infinite is around July and it's likely the bridge between its own universe and the Hasbroverse.
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I need to dig out that Revolution one-shot where Barber tried to tie all the previous material together to see what it says about Jem.

Although to be fair his approach seemed to be "Keep the post-war Transformers stuff because it's been mostly good/successful, jettison as much of the rest as possible."
 
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