Draug made it into TMS, don't see why he wouldn't make it in here.
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Fire Emblem Warriors Famitsu info: Characters, gameplay info [Up: Screenshots]
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Draug made it into TMS, don't see why he wouldn't make it in here.
BassForever
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I get that, I'm just saying I would start with that pool of characters for your speculation lists and cut from there. Sure maybe we get an odd choice here or there but I'd be stunned if 90% of the day 1 playable roster isn't made up of those characters.
The game didn't sell very well, comparatively.
For example, in Japan:
Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright / Conquest: 353,201 / 581,905
Fire Emblem: Awakening: 262,399 / 484,521
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia: 133,410 / 197,260 (and this is largely done selling, maybe 10-20K more to go)
Development time is the main issue, SoV was done in a year. And we know this game's been planned for a long time now (they said it was in planning before the Famitsu Musou Poll).
Look at the date of the Famitsu Poll here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1141535
They would also presumably know the game was coming up though, and could have planned a tie-in if they thought it would be a big deal.
DecoReturns
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Now I see why people say Echoes bombed. I thought the last two game sold around the 300,000 to 400,000 region. Didn't realize they sold much more.
Wonder what IS/Nintendo thinks
I doubt they actually expected it to be a huge deal. It's a remake and they announced it next to teasing the next mainline title.
That said, I could imagine a universe where they expected it to do a bit better than it did. Like, Shadow Dragon sales at least.
Those were:
Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon: 147,704 / 252,309
Echoes sold less then Shadow Dragon and NMoE. It really didn't do that well.
The only caveat is the trackers don't do digital or Valentia edition, (i think digital is around 10k right now); and no clue what Valentia edition did.
Apparently Echoes sold through 80% of it's initial shipment, and from what I've heard of other people saying on that it means Nintendo wasn't expecting it to sell like Awakening and Fates anyway. ...I think?
SliceSabre
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Old Fire Emblem didn't sale then and doesn't sale now I assume when compared against Awakening and Fates.
twothunder
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others have already said it but...
when we already know multiple sword users from the 3 games + multiple OCs from this game will be using swords. it's a weird excuse.
Especially by skipping the lords that don't use swords
like i said in the other thread.
pretty much what i already feared after the first trailer. Not happy with that focus at all
hoping for better characters to get chosen and added for paid DLC is not something i like to support
they will have trouble selling this game to me
Chrom/Lucina/Marth is an obvious choice, but they are so close in design, I'm really interested in how they make them play. Especially after adding two more OC bland sword users.
Then we have:
Lord (Chrom, Lucina, Marth)
Pegasus Knight (Caeda)
Wyvern Rider (Minerva, Camilla)
Manakete / Dragon (Tiki, Corrin)
Myrmidon / Swordmaster (Navarre, Ryoma)
Mage (Robin, Tharja)
Archer (Takumi)
Paladin (Xander)
That's actually quite a diverse cast when it comes to play styles / class representation.
Definitely lacks Axe-Wielders, which makes me think that Hector is a given at this point, unless they reclass someone else.
Another thing would be Armoured Units, which gives Draug and Effie a good chance (and Hector again!).
Lance Wielders are completely absent, so Ephraim or bust. (Will probably be Abel / Cain instead)
Do you think they would include Healers somehow?
If they want to add some more of the Fates classes, a Butler / Maid would be likely, possibly also a Ninja / Assassin / Thief.
Other interesting classes could be Villager as some form of Joker class that wields everything, and Dancer (not sure how they'd implement that, but they should at least try).
Shadow Dragon also had unique classes like Pirate (Corsair) or Hunter, and last but not least Ballistician.
Let's not forget Brides and Witches.
I think they will try to diversify the class representation, which should allow for some interesting character choices down the line.
BassForever
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Stairouais
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ShinRPGamer
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I'd also just like to mention that there is a screenshot of the 3rd OC and quelle surprise, he's also a swordie.
So that's 8 Swordies now despite them saying they didn't want to clog the game up with swordies.
So that's 8 Swordies now despite them saying they didn't want to clog the game up with swordies.
Cain and Abel would be pretty solid guesses, too.
Oh yeah, forgot Wrys is definite for the Agatha spot in teh roster.
I said "I think" more because I wasn't sure on the 80% number (though I shouldn't have put it after the end of my statement and instead of near the "80%"....I should stop adding sentences in the middle of my stuff lol). I should probably look it up again...
He looks like a substitute Ike in this pic to me, should I be worried?
DecoReturns
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I'll wait till we see the full cast.
If they did go the and try to get all the protagonist, it would be 90-95% sword users.
Although I'm expecting it be above 50% sword users regardless, here's hoping for surprises.
Nah, but Ogma has zero chance now imho.
I'm not sure how high his chances were in the first place, haha.
I'm just going to repost the results from the Fire Emblem Heroes poll here again for some reference:
Uhhh
Marth, just swords.
Alm, swords, bows.
Celica, magic.
Sigurd? Horse, swords, spears.
Seliph? discount Sigurd.
Leif? All weapons in the game.
Roy? He does use a sword, but the ability to throw fire around diversifies him.
Eliwood? Can also use lances. His sword is also fucking huge.
Lyn? Swords, bows. Definite different style compared to all other sword lords, though.
Hector? Axes.
Ephraim? Spears
Eirika? Well, just swords.
Ike? Swords and axes. His sword is also a laser sword.
Micaiah? Mage
Chrom and Lucina use the exact same sword as Marth, they're actually the biggest problem.
Robin uses swords and magic.
Corrin uses dragonstones and swords.
That's a lot of people that use swords, but not all of them are limited to swords. Plus even the swordlocked lords have enough variety between them to not make them same-y.
psychowave
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I guess the real reason they're not having old FE protags is to make space for their terrible OCs? lol
ShinRPGamer
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Best to set your expectations to zero now TBH. I don't even think someone like Hector has a good chance despite being an axe lord and ranking 3rd for the males since he's not from Akaenia/3DS.
You aren't going to get anyone from Fates who isn't a royal sib. Enjoy Sakura instead.
Ogma and Navarre are like Cain and Abel, usually have to have the one with the other.
Quintin DM
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Guess it's to be expected that most of the characters are from Awakening, Fates and Shadow Dragon, but it definitely sounds like some of the more popular characters from the other games like Ike will be in here too. Everything sounds good so far tho, and at 70% complete I guess we won't have to wait to much longer till release, the twin protagonists kind of looks dumb tho.
Would've liked to see Navarre and Ogma in support convos with Sheeda, would've been interesting.
I for some reason doubt even with dlc that more support convos will be added, hope I'm wrong.
In fairness Dragon Quest Heroes didn't include characters from VII and X and Hyrule Warriors included characters of only 3 home console games (OoT, TP and SS) and ignored most of the first games and the handheld entries and those issues were solved with the sequels/DLC which this games is also totally going to have.
And in fairness it does still feel like a celebration of the series with reps from the very first game and the last two most recent entries that are in the same world.
Bye, they are totally going to squeeze Oboro in there.
The DLC characters Echoes is getting come with supports, so I think it's possible. (I think the Rise of the Deliverance pack has new supports too?)
psychowave
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Fates doesn't take place in the same world as the first game. Funnily enough, Shadows of Valentia does.
Aye, but it should be treated as a celebration of the series ala Dissidia. That game would be hella dull if it was just a FFVII fest.
I don't think asking for the main Lords of the most recent game in the series is asking much. Letting other characters shine is a way to build the fan base rather than focusing on the same old same old.
True, except that Navarre is for some reason much more popular than Ogma (I'm judging by the amount of fan art I have seen, because why not), while Cain and Abel are about equal I'd say.
I still think as another sword user Ogma would be harder to differentiate from the Lords then Navarre would, which I at least hope is one of the softer criteria for picking characters. I just kinda assume a Myrmidon would be easier to develop a more specific play style for (double swordsssssss / dodging giving advantages / low damage high crit chance...) than to make Mercenary and Lord distinct from each other.
If they want a bulkier Sword Fighter, they might pick someone that represents armoured infantry instead.
DecoReturns
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Would it be safe to assume that existing Amiibo figures would secure roster placement? They definitely haven't closed the door on representation from other games, so I would figure that Ike and Roy are pretty safe locks. Echoes would likely have been known about too late for Omega Force to do anything about including them in the core game, but I would think that they would be pretty safe DLC choices.