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[Fenderputty]

I've been considering Barron Trump to be honest. I'm hoping to assemble a campaign team that can also defeat the Monstars if necessary. (They messed up by wasting two of their power steals on Shawn Bradley and Muggsy Bogues. And where's the three point shooting?)

Barron should protect you from Cyber, so there's that.

 

[Psychoward]

I think people are getting confused on when I say both sides are the same. I don't mean that they are the same in what they do in politics or what core beliefs they have, but that neither want to work toegether because they hate each other. It's a never ending cycle of hate, just like revenge. Yeah, president Obama tried this for eight years and it didn't work, but at least he tried his best and in the end he and the base look like civil and understanding people compared to the right where that acted like children. But what I'm seeing now that we don't have someone who tries to work with each side of the table, we start to lose what made us look civil. I think a lot of it comes from trump and his dangerous ignorance and I do support some refusal to work with this guy because of it, but when it comes to people getting hurt like this congressman, it just doesn't feel civil to not want to work together to help keep something like this from blowing up into a divided country.

And the people voted for the children in the next presidential, senate and house elections. "At least he tried" is an empty platitude if it doesn't accomplish anything in the short term or long term, this is politics not a sports game. If poor sportsmanship can ensure that we get elected officials in place who recognize the dangers of climate change and repealing the ACA, I'm all for it.

Furthermore I don't WANT dems who entertain the right's policies. Not only are they damaging to everyone in the country, they're specifically demeaning to minorities of any category.

 

[Nafai1123]

No its not. I've been lurking here for a long time. What about the Idaho raping from a few weeks ago. Gang of muslim immigrants gang raped a 5 year old. Seems pretty big but not a blurb here.

That's horrible and those people should be sentenced to the full extent of the law. Please explain how the fact that they're Muslim is relevant to the situation? Are we supposed to ascertain from the article that Muslims are rapists? Were they crazy liberals shouting "death to Trump" as they raped a young child?

Just today a white man in Ohio was charged with murdering a mother and her three daughters. Should we make a thread about that?

Four white National Guard soldiers were arrested for sexual assault. Should we make a thread about that?

The fact that you equate an article about Muslim immigrants raping a young child as "left" says a lot about you and how you perceive the left.

 

[cackhyena]

Would it alarm you that I think the GOP is worse than ISIS?

Not that I wish death on anyone: self and other go together. But ISIS wishes it had the power to normalize the harm, suffering, and death the GOP is now able to get away with.

This goes beyond health care, of course. But healthcare is the biggest arena that their goal is to ruin the lives of tens of millions. Their morality is an ideology that has consistently been applied and has never worked. If they are not a threat in this regard, what are they? Misguided children?

Jesus Christ.

 

[David H Wong]

The GOP is an organization made up of millions of individuals. How are they all criminals and what crime did they all commit?

Every political party portrays their opposition as criminal and taking pleasure in the deaths of innocents.

The left says the Obamacare repeal and environmental deregulation is effectively murder of the vulnerable people, therefore we cannot even discuss those as policies - only as crimes and acts of pure evil that must be punished.

The right says the left being soft on terrorism, illegal immigration, crime and (especially) abortion is effectively murder of the vulnerable people, therefore we cannot even discuss those as policies - only as crimes and acts of pure evil that must be punished.

It's a rhetorical trick and, yes, "both sides" do it. But there are unstable people out there who don't realize it's just a rhetorical trick, that all of the talk of Trump's upcoming concentration camps was just people talking shit, as is the talk of abortion being a "Holocaust."

And yes, when there is politically motivated violence, both sides phrase their justification as, "I NEVER condone violence, but can you blame them, considering how criminal and evil the other side is?"

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I think people are getting confused on when I say both sides are the same. I don't mean that they are the same in what they do in politics or what core beliefs they have, but that neither want to work toegether because they hate each other. It's a never ending cycle of hate, just like revenge. Yeah, president Obama tried this for eight years and it didn't work, but at least he tried his best and in the end he and the base look like civil and understanding people compared to the right where that acted like children. But what I'm seeing now that we don't have someone who tries to work with each side of the table, we start to lose what made us look civil. I think a lot of it comes from trump and his dangerous ignorance and I do support some refusal to work with this guy because of it, but when it comes to people getting hurt like this congressman, it just doesn't feel civil to not want to work together to help keep something like this from blowing up into a divided country.

https://twitter.com/SenateDems/status/873001941521108992

Look at that, a plea to work together while the GOP holds millions of people hostage with their secretive healthcare dealings.

 

[The Kree]

All the conviction in the world to shout down at people yet somehow not enough conviction to do it from your primary account.

 

[Foffy]

This is a "check your privilege" situation. If you spent just one day living under ISIS rule you'd very quickly realise how stupid this statement is.

It doesn't alarm me though. It just makes me laugh and roll my eyes at how silly you sound.

If you looked at my other posts, you would understand I am speaking of the problem of violence and scale in a macro sense.

No way am I numbing what ISIS does, but highlighting the danger that the GOP gets away with and seldom people are outraged and up in arms about it.

One stones gays. The other struggles between wanting them not to marry, convert them from their "sin," or even jail them. Which one are people not too alarmed about..?

 

[Dishwalla]

No its not. I've been lurking here for a long time. What about the Idaho raping from a few weeks ago. Gang of muslim immigrants gang raped a 5 year old. Seems pretty big but not a blurb here.

There's rules here against posting stories like that, because all they do is shock and disgust people, and there is little to no actual discussion to be had from them.

 

[Poutine]

You mean this one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ainst-muslim-refugees/?utm_term=.cfcc1cd13b70

I suggest you read the article.

Intersting I read the original article a day or two after it happened. Had no idea it was updated as these kind of stories are typical especially across Europe.

I doubt all the numerous I've read about in London, Paris, Italy, Sweden are all fallse though. Way too many of those.

 

[BlazinSkatinAxel]

This video on CNN is crazy.....

 

[slit]

Every political party portrays their opposition as criminal and taking pleasure in the deaths of innocents.

The left says the Obamacare repeal and environmental deregulation is effectively murder of the vulnerable people, therefore we cannot even discuss those as policies - only as crimes and acts of pure evil that must be punished.

The right says the left being soft on terrorism, illegal immigration, crime and (especially) abortion is effectively murder of the vulnerable people, therefore we cannot even discuss those as policies - only as crimes and acts of pure evil that must be punished.

It's a rhetorical trick and, yes, "both sides" do it. But there are unstable people out there who don't realize it's just a rhetorical trick, that all of the talk of Trump's upcoming concentration camps was just people talking shit, as is the talk of abortion being a "Holocaust."

And yes, when there is politically motivated violence, both sides phrase their justification as, "I NEVER condone violence, but can you blame them, considering how criminal and evil the other side is?"

Fine, now explain why it's a rhetorical trick?

 

[Fenderputty]

You mean this one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ainst-muslim-refugees/?utm_term=.cfcc1cd13b70

I suggest you read the article.

haha holy shit

 

[Autodidact]

I would argue that on a culture or a party that has preyed upon precarity and made single-issue voters out of many. They have many tools to do this, with religion being the easiest tool to use.

I disagree completely that their voters have been "preyed upon" or manipulated to any great extent.

As you've stated, you view the GOP as a terrorist organization - no qualification, no metaphors; a literal terrorist organization. I think of terrorists as people who seize power and operate outside the confines of governmental and judicial systems. Republicans, conversely, have never performed a coup. They've never deposed a leader. They've never used violence to secure their offices. (They've used violence in campaigns, though! Look at Gianforte.) In every modern election, as far as we know, they have been fairly, democratically elected. Until investigations prove otherwise, we should even assume that Trump won a fair election, as far as vote tallies go.

And who puts them there again and again? Who reelects them despite the pain and suffering they cause? Their voters. I anticipate that you'll respond with the "desperate precariat" angle: impoverished and unhealthy, they flock to politicians who promise to "make America great again." Uneducated and gullible, they support politicians who promise to relieve their unceasing existential angst that they mitigate with opioids. To borrow your language, their consciousness has been decoupled from reality.

Except it really hasn't. Have you noticed that Republicans' desperate precariat voters fit a profile? Plenty of low-income voters vote for Democrats or independents or not at all, but Republicans' low-income voters seem to be overwhelmingly white and filled with bigotry - sorry, "desperate precarity caused by their incomes being decoupled from productivity and also opioids." I've seen you address race before, and I understood your argument to be (and please correct me if I misrepresent it), "When the pie gets smaller, people love to blame the other."

But these voters' precarity hasn't made them racist; their racism has made them the precariat. They elected Nixon because he promised "law and order" (i.e., keep the blacks in line). They adored Reagan because he promised to keep the "young bucks" and "welfare queens" from abusing social programs. They assumed that Bill Clinton's welfare cuts - spearheaded by Newt and company, I might add - would only affect those people. And, most topically, they elected rabid right-wingers to dismantle the "socialized medicine" (i.e., black people get healthcare) created by a black president. They have willingly and wittingly aided Republicans in denigrating, marginalizing, and depriving minorities. Hell, they vote Republican - again, with no coercion or deception - specifically for that purpose. You'll tell me that the GOP capitalized upon their hatred and fear to get votes, but I still won't buy it. They knew exactly what they wanted but just never thought it would happen to them. The "desperate, I-just-want-to-feed-my-family, the-robots-are-taking-my-job" excuse can't be used to justify everything. Your desperate precariat absolutely should be held accountable because they caused the brunt of this mess. By your logic, we might as well have called the Confederacy the "Desperate Precariat States."

You'll probably tell me that Noam Chomsky disagrees with me. I apologize if this post derails the thread; we can always take this to PM.

 

[BossDarkseid]

Intersting I read the original article a day or two after it happened. Had no idea it was updated as these kind of stories are typical especially across Europe.

I doubt all the numerous I've read about in London, Paris, Italy, Sweden are all fallse though. Way too many of those.

Na, by and large they are false. They are not "typical across Europe.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Intersting I read the original article a day or two after it happened. Had no idea it was updated as these kind of stories are typical especially across Europe.

I doubt all the numerous I've read about in London, Paris, Italy, Sweden are all fallse though. Way too many of those.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Intersting I read the original article a day or two after it happened. Had no idea it was updated as these kind of stories are typical especially across Europe.

I doubt all the numerous I've read about in London, Paris, Italy, Sweden are all fallse though. Way too many of those.

Whose man is this?

 

[Nafai1123]

Intersting I read the original article a day or two after it happened. Had no idea it was updated as these kind of stories are typical especially across Europe.

I doubt all the numerous I've read about in London, Paris, Italy, Sweden are all fallse though. Way too many of those.

Do you read all articles about rape from all nationalities/races, or do you generally focus on just the Muslim ones?

 

[benjipwns]

People are missing that the issue here is not whether the GOP are criminals but whether they deserve due process of law.

Whether the government can be relied upon to deliver that due process is another, more problematic question.

I have to admit, even though it didn't make up for everything before, Obama's commutation of Chelsea Manning's sentence among his others along with some recent prosecutions of police/officials (like those lab techs/expert witnesses getting wrecked finally) had bumped my "due process still exists to some extent" rating back up a tad.

I mean as long as you don't show up in the threat matrix! *nervous laughter*

 

[BrutishMrFish]

I doubt all the numerous I've read about in London, Paris, Italy, Sweden are all fallse though. Way too many of those.

Considering that you must be getting your information from Drudge or InfoWars, it could very well be a possibility that most of them are.

 

[Breads]

Intersting I read the original article a day or two after it happened. Had no idea it was updated as these kind of stories are typical especially across Europe.

I doubt all the numerous I've read about in London, Paris, Italy, Sweden are all fallse though. Way too many of those.

But you sounded so sure of yourself claiming this was lefty rape before.

What happened?

 

[ken_matthews]

I hope this is a one off incident and not the start of a trend.

From some of the comments here, I get the impression that some of you feel as though militant opposition towards the government may be a viable option in the near future...that is not encouraging.

 

[cackhyena]

What is this alt account nonsense? If people are using burners and gunning for a ban, can't a mod just ban both accounts since they come from the same ip address?

 

[Bakercat]

And the people voted for the children in the next presidential, senate and house elections. "At least he tried" is an empty platitude if it doesn't accomplish anything in the short term or long term, this is politics not a sports game. If poor sportsmanship can ensure that we get elected officials in place who recognize the dangers of climate change and repealing the ACA, I'm all for it.

Furthermore I don't WANT dems who entertain the right's policies. Not only are they damaging to everyone in the country, they're specifically demeaning to minorities of any category.

Yeah, and that's the hard part. When the other side is so backwards and hateful that even working with them rubs such negative thing off on you, it can seem impossible to do it. I think dems should be working out ways to turn political, rational, and social ideas on the red states to help people in those states see better ideals than what they've been given. I think a similar strategy like the southern strategy (but in a good way) for republicans in the 70's would help the dems spread their message across the republicans region and get rid of this alt right thinking. I think once republican voters move more center and away from the alt right, it will be much better to work together.

The tea party was a mistake, it's nothing but trash.

 

[Timedog]

Intersting I read the original article a day or two after it happened. Had no idea it was updated as these kind of stories are typical especially across Europe.

I doubt all the numerous I've read about in London, Paris, Italy, Sweden are all fallse though. Way too many of those.

You're exactly right. People have done bad things in London, Paris, Italy, and Sweden. For some reason you forgot to list every single other country on earth...I wonder why?

 

[pigeon]

Maybe you forgot to quote a post but this thread is about a congressman and other innocent people being gunned down by a crazy person.

Maybe you forgot to read the thread, but that's pretty clearly not the discussion taking place.

Besides, I already said that domestic abusers shouldn't have access to firearms.

The GOP is an organization made up of millions of individuals. How are they all criminals and what crime did they all commit?

Accessory to obstruction of justice seems like a reasonably good starting point.

 

[Psychoward]

Yeah, and that's the hard part. When the other side is so backwards and hateful that even working with them rubs such negative thing off on you, it can seem impossible to do it. I think dems should be working out ways to turn political, rational, and social ideas on the red states to help people in those states see better ideals than what they've been given. I think a similar strategy like the southern strategy (but in a good way) for republicans in the 70's would help the dems spread their message across the republicans region and get rid of this alt right thinking. I think once republican voters move more center and away from the alt right, it will be much better to work together.

The tea party was a mistake, it's nothing but trash.

But the dem platform does help them tho

 

[benjipwns]

Republicans, conversely, have never performed a coup. They've never deposed a leader. They've never used violence to secure their offices. (They've used violence in campaigns, though! Look at Gianforte.) In every election, as far as we know, they have been fairly, democratically elected.

1876.

And I mean, you know how I could get started.

 

[The Kree]

But you sounded so sure of yourself claiming this was lefty rape before.

What happened?

He forgot to #waitformoreevidence.

 

[George Washington]

What is this alt account nonsense? If people are using burners and gunning for a ban, can't a mod just ban both accounts since they come from the same ip address?

VPN?

Anyway, this is horrible.

 

[Breads]

You're exactly right. People have done bad things in London, Paris, Italy, and Sweden. For some reason you forgot to list every single other country on earth...I wonder why?

To be fair the left in this context (comitting rape) only exists in certain countries.

 

[benjipwns]

What is this alt account nonsense? If people are using burners and gunning for a ban, can't a mod just ban both accounts since they come from the same ip address?

Because we're all actually mod alts, so it's a form of forum MAD.

 

[Autodidact]

1876.

And I mean, you know how I could get started.

Well, modern elections.

 

[Ekai]

Every political party portrays their opposition as criminal and taking pleasure in the deaths of innocents.

The left says the Obamacare repeal and environmental deregulation is effectively murder of the vulnerable people, therefore we cannot even discuss those as policies - only as crimes and acts of pure evil that must be punished.

The right says the left being soft on terrorism, illegal immigration, crime and (especially) abortion is effectively murder of the vulnerable people, therefore we cannot even discuss those as policies - only as crimes and acts of pure evil that must be punished.

It's a rhetorical trick and, yes, "both sides" do it. But there are unstable people out there who don't realize it's just a rhetorical trick, that all of the talk of Drumpf's upcoming concentration camps was just people talking shit, as is the talk of abortion being a "Holocaust."

And yes, when there is politically motivated violence, both sides phrase their justification as, "I NEVER condone violence, but can you blame them, considering how criminal and evil the other side is?"

I mean, one side literally threatens millions of people's lives just for being a minority of any kind/woman/etc. etc., so.......there's really no both sides to be argued here.

 

[cackhyena]

VPN?

Anyway, this is horrible.

Riiiiight right right right.

 

[Timedog]

To be fair the left in this context (comitting rape) only exists in certain countries.

I honestly have no clue what this means.

 

[nephilimdj]

Whole thing seems crazy, hardcore bernie sanders fan who is outspoken does something like this.
I am glad noone died.

 

[Link]

You mean this one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ainst-muslim-refugees/?utm_term=.cfcc1cd13b70

I suggest you read the article.

Somehow, I'm not surprised by this revelation.

 

[Breads]

I honestly have no clue what this means.

Their claim is that we don't talk about "bad news from the left".

Which includes muslim rape in western countries both real and imaginary.

If you think this is absurd it's all on them.

 

[Poutine]

That's horrible and those people should be sentenced to the full extent of the law. Please explain how the fact that they're Muslim is relevant to the situation? Are we supposed to ascertain from the article that Muslims are rapists? Were they crazy liberals shouting "death to Trump" as they raped a young child?

Just today a white man in Ohio was charged with murdering a mother and her three daughters. Should we make a thread about that?

Four white National Guard soldiers were arrested for sexual assault. Should we make a thread about that?

The fact that you equate an article about Muslim immigrants raping a young child as "left" says a lot about you and how you perceive the left.

I dont agree with the left on most things. Its why I never post here as do most people who are not left. This place is 99% left with threads containing posters spewing tolerance of hate, violence towards people of opposing ideas, with other like (hive) minded people. So whats the point. Hasnt been a civil discussion with conservatives here in a minute because they all feel its a waste of time. I guarantee there are alot of them here lurking like me since Trump got elected. But since they dont post it gives the feeling that the left are winning. Its really hard to talk to people here. I see the same stuff in this thread I've been seeing and will probably see until Trump gets taken out. So with that I say...payce

 

[Lautaro]

I dont agree with the left on most things. Its why I never post here as do most people who are not left. This place is 99% left with threads containing posters spewing tolerance of hate, violence towards people of opposing ideas, with other like (hive) minded people. So whats the point. Hasnt been a civil discussion with conservatives here in a minute because they all feel its a waste of time. I guarantee there are alot of them here lurking like me since Trump got elected. But since they dont post it gives the feeling that the left are winning. Its really hard to talk to people here. I see the same stuff in this thread I've been seeing and will probably see until Trump gets taken out. So with that I say...payce

Post fake news: check.
Play the victim card: check.

 

[Psychoward]

I dont agree with the left on most things. Its why I never post here as do most people who are not left. This place is 99% left with threads containing posters spewing tolerance of hate, violence towards people of opposing ideas, with other like (hive) minded people. So whats the point. Hasnt been a civil discussion with conservatives here in a minute because they all feel its a waste of time. I guarantee there are alot of them here lurking like me since Trump got elected. But since they dont post it gives the feeling that the left are winning. Its really hard to talk to people here. I see the same stuff in this thread I've been seeing and will probably see until Trump gets taken out. So with that I say...payce

It'd be easier to have conversations with the right here if they didn't end up getting banned for expressing their views that align with the party because they're against the TOS

Or for constantly derailing threads with fake news lol

 

[Ekai]

I dont agree with the left on most things. Its why I never post here as do most people who are not left. This place is 99% left with threads containing posters spewing tolerance of hate, violence towards people of opposing ideas, with other like (hive) minded people. So whats the point. Hasnt been a civil discussion with conservatives here in a minute because they all feel its a waste of time. I guarantee there are alot of them here lurking like me since Drumpf got elected. But since they dont post it gives the feeling that the left are winning. Its really hard to talk to people here. I see the same stuff in this thread I've been seeing and will probably see until Drumpf gets taken out. So with that I say...payce

I mean, one political party, Republicans, literally want to harm millions of people for being who they are. The other, Democrats, respond: "Hey, that's pretty fucking evil"

And you have the gall to act like the right-wing is a victim in all of this?

 

[The Kree]

I dont agree with the left on most things. Its why I never post here as do most people who are not left. This place is 99% left with threads containing posters spewing tolerance of hate, violence towards people of opposing ideas, with other like (hive) minded people. So whats the point. Hasnt been a civil discussion with conservatives here in a minute because they all feel its a waste of time. I guarantee there are alot of them here lurking like me since Trump got elected. But since they dont post it gives the feeling that the left are winning. Its really hard to talk to people here. I see the same stuff in this thread I've been seeing and will probably see until Trump gets taken out. So with that I say...payce

You got the White House, congress, the Supreme court, the cops, the church, and you still feel like the world is against you.

Stop whining. Honestly, just shut up.

 

[WiseguyMVP]

This is a terrible event. Just as it was terrible when it happened to Gabby Gifford.

There are people who are going to use this, like Rush Limbaugh, to further their political narrative against the left wing. Some may even find the timing of this event suspect. But one thing's for certain. We shouldn't let crazy people and their crazy ideas try to drive a wedge between Americans who know better

 

[newdayrocks]

No its not. I've been lurking here for a long time. What about the Idaho raping from a few weeks ago. Gang of muslim immigrants gang raped a 5 year old. Seems pretty big but not a blurb here.

Literal fake news, you dummy.

 

[One Eyed Willy]

Whole thing seems crazy, hardcore bernie sanders fan who is outspoken does something like this.
I am glad noone died.

Just because he liked Bernie or a democrat doesn't make this crazy. Its crazy because this dude is a lunatic, and they vote for all different kinds of people.

 

[Psychoward]

Post fake news: check.
Play the victim card: check.

"Why won't anyone have a genuine conversation with me, I only derail threads, concern troll about Islam and post fake news!"

 

[CornBurrito]

Every political party portrays their opposition as criminal and taking pleasure in the deaths of innocents.

The left says the Obamacare repeal and environmental deregulation is effectively murder of the vulnerable people, therefore we cannot even discuss those as policies - only as crimes and acts of pure evil that must be punished.

The right says the left being soft on terrorism, illegal immigration, crime and (especially) abortion is effectively murder of the vulnerable people, therefore we cannot even discuss those as policies - only as crimes and acts of pure evil that must be punished.

It's a rhetorical trick and, yes, "both sides" do it. But there are unstable people out there who don't realize it's just a rhetorical trick, that all of the talk of Trump's upcoming concentration camps was just people talking shit, as is the talk of abortion being a "Holocaust."

And yes, when there is politically motivated violence, both sides phrase their justification as, "I NEVER condone violence, but can you blame them, considering how criminal and evil the other side is?"

20K estimated deaths would result from the repeal of ACA. Global warming actually IS a scientific fact.

The problem with Snooty Centrists(tm) are that they treat scientific fact on the environment as being equal to Joe Coal's opinion that global warming is a (((GLOBALIST))) hoax. Then they think the TRUTH lies in the middle of fact vs complete lie.

 

[benjipwns]

I dont agree with the left on most things. Its why I never post here as do most people who are not left. This place is 99% left with threads containing posters spewing tolerance of hate, violence towards people of opposing ideas, with other like (hive) minded people. So whats the point. Hasnt been a civil discussion with conservatives here in a minute because they all feel its a waste of time. I guarantee there are alot of them here lurking like me since Trump got elected. But since they dont post it gives the feeling that the left are winning. Its really hard to talk to people here. I see the same stuff in this thread I've been seeing and will probably see until Trump gets taken out. So with that I say...payce

Wow, I truly am the one percent after all.