Didn't you say he was confident that the roster total was 28?
Have we been working off of partial information this whole time under the guise that it was complete?
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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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Have we been working off of partial information this whole time under the guise that it was complete?
Newniverse
Member
And there we go... Someone finally is where i been at mentally lol.
EDIT: Since I've been on this board, ive stated countless times that I think Ryce leak is plausible, I just didnt think it was a complete list.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Pretty much. I knew that it wasn't complete roster for awhile since things doesn't make sense at the end.
DaytimeWhiskey
Banned
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, nobody said that it wasn't the complete roster. 28 until proven otherwise
Yeah, he told me there'd be a 28 character starting roster a few weeks ago, but he's not sure what to think anymore after seeing the alleged file leak. I'm just going to assume his information is complete so as to not get my hopes up.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Taskmaster feel so unlikely to me since he haven't make his appearance in MCU yet. (Sorry Ward fans!
) I'm not going to expect it but it's a gut feeling that I had for the game, especially with few interviews out there.
With the character select screen being rows of 6, and there being 20 variant covers (that include the DLC characters, and rocket/groot both get one so its a max of 16 base characters) I think that the base roster actually being 30 is probably where we're actually going to land. Though 28 would leave room for a random select button.
The trick is that w/ the other story mode leak list, I think some of Ryce's characters might be DLC, because it's the only way to mesh them together, because the leaked story mode has a LOT of MvC3 returnees.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Huge fan of XMen vs Street Fighter, Marvel vs Capcom 1, MvC2, MvC3 and UMvC3. I even defended Capcom when they decided to put out UMvC3 9 months after MvC3. But please do tell everyone what Im not a fan of on my behalf.
These..most people.. consist of people who are going to buy it anyway.
The bigger concern is that they handicapped it's potential sales by having it look and sound so ugly in it's first impression. I think most people hating on it are doing so because they want it to be a success and are frustrated that Capcom is sending what could've been a potential homerun to the hyenas.
The 500k who buy it will play it and come around to it. The 1000k players who potentially could've bought it are now dissuaded by the bad word of mouth and won't give it another look. That's where a lot of the frustration is coming from. The scene isn't going to grow past the faithful because theres going to be barely any influx of new players via casuals.
UMvC3 is one of my favorite games of all time. I went to evo for it. Twice. I'm among the guys championing dbz over this. Because there is no love going into this product and I cannot recommend this to any of my non-fighting game fans and wax poetic about the fanservice like I did for Ultimate 3
There was always a missing Capcom character in the original leak. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
The Ryce leak so far has been legit, Capcom hasn't shown anything to the contrary.
I think in the next reveal if Capcom showcases someone like Frank West then Ryce's original 28 number is put into question.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Newniverse
Member
Sure pal. I'll see you with the game sept 19th.
GrayFoxPL
Member
Ah, he was Josh Stone in RE5 and Agnus in DMC4 too. Good VA!
1 trailer with the remaining characters and final 2 stones, like the original.
Launch trailer and dlc character trailers in the final month.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
I have it preordered but its most likely gonna be another SFV situation. Another barebones package just with a 3 hour story included at launch this time. Story mode isn't going to save this game.
Im more of a casual fan nowadays but our word doesnt mean any less than you hardcore FGC folks, if anything its us that really need to be convinced. Ugly artwork, mediocre story and a huge emphasis on DLC isnt gonna win over any casuals which are needed to grow the franchise.
Something can't be ugly if it doesn't exist.
I think we're getting sidetracked. I like NRS games, but there is no way the FGC sees an upcoming NRS title and says "Oh yeah, the gameplay is going to be great!" They have a ton of gameplay issues to go with balance issues. Smash is still called Tr4ash by most of the community and Melee's numbers still dwarf it in viewership, it's not even close. People wanted Melee 2, they didn't get it. People were very upset about gameplay in Smash 4 (coming from a guy who loves Smash 4 and plays it competitively). KI (post patches), SFV and especially Cross Tekken all had tons of gameplay complaints.
I did say anime is super consistent though.
But like I said, my real point was, and still is, the expectation was NOT that Marvel Infinite would have good gameplay. People initially assumed 2v2, Gems, lack of assists, simplified motions, changed control scheme and more would make the game awful.
We've just learned that the changes aren't bad and the game is hype. It's a time to rejoice, not focus on Chun's face as if it's the big story here. Something everyone wrote off as negative changes to the franchise might turn out to be unbelievably hype, and it's taking backseat to a conversation about Chun's face. I think it's silly, is all.
I was just bringing up those other games because there have been enough instances of companies mishandling fighters to make us question their decision making process as a whole, whether it be gameplay, balance, whatever. So when we hear no assists, 2v2,whatever, we think back to Cross Tekken, SFV, or other games and think "Can we really trust anything completely?"
I don't think people assume the best in any category. There have been so many missteps, we're all just very cautious.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I meant we have potential two of three events for them to reveal their contents which is D23, EVO, and SDCC for next month.
July - Gamora, Ant-Man, Spider-Man, Nemesis, Jedah, Monster Hunter, Firebrand, Mind Stone
August - ????
Early September - Launch trailer and DLC characters trailer
im not saying its not legit. Im saying people have been assuming its the full roster and juding the game for that.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yup, if the leak is actually wrong, then it actually hurt the product at the end which is bad despite the fans already gave them hard time with other features.
There wasn't a universal expectation that the gameplay changes would be bad. Not everyone wrote off the changes as negative and plenty of people liked the direction and initial rationale given for it.
Why should someone have to "rejoice" and look past some glaring issues if they never had concerns with the gameplay and were confident it would be fun? I think it's silly to tell others what they should or not critique from what's been shown. It's all fair game.
Just watched Maximilian's playthrough of the demo and maybe it's my love for Mega Man X and his beautifully rendered shiny body talking but I really don't get the hate people have for this game's graphics outside of a few faces here and there (though even Chun looks better in some cutscenes than in that infamously bad one from the E3 trailer imo).
I really like the clean and colorful look for all the characters and especially the metal bodied / armored ones look awesome imo in terms of shading and texturing. Even the hud has started to grow on me honestly. The cutscenes seem to be a bit better than SFV's, with cool team attacks and banter, so at least they will entertain me enough to play through the story mode.
I'm more hyped now than I was before for sure!
I really like the clean and colorful look for all the characters and especially the metal bodied / armored ones look awesome imo in terms of shading and texturing. Even the hud has started to grow on me honestly. The cutscenes seem to be a bit better than SFV's, with cool team attacks and banter, so at least they will entertain me enough to play through the story mode.
I'm more hyped now than I was before for sure!
DR2K
Banned
You have to factor in how aggressive Capcom is being about their character pass. The less characters they add to the base, the more valuable the additional characters might be
This conversation didn't start as a response to people critiquing the game constructively, or even expressing dissatisfaction with the visuals. It was a response to meme culture in the FGC that spiraled out of control to the point where now anyone saying the game is good is a shill and people saying Marvel is dead and people should just play DBZ instead. Nobody can deny that this is rampant, and tell me, is there any justification right now for that? Is there anything so bad about this game that warrants accusing people of shilling or saying it's dead and to just play DBZ? This is what I'm referring to.
Not level headed discussion on GAF. It's everywhere else, and it's not one isolated place, it's all across streams, forums and various websites. By rejoice I expected more celebratory posts than inflammatory posts after this week considering that people are saying this game is ridiculously fun and has all the Marvel charm, yet instead if you say that you're a shill. That's what I have an issue with. Why can't we be celebrating that?
It's okay to hate the art, it's okay to hate the UI or the roster, but get all this shilling shit and DBZ killing Marvel memes out of here.
With how good the gameplay is shaping up to be, I just think such an extreme reaction is unwarranted. I think everyone can agree that this game is getting an obscene amount of scrutiny and I think people writing it off this early is unjustified, especially if the main issue are some ugly visuals and a bad UI.
Obviously GAF is a little more levelheaded, so the issues aren't really as visible on this forum, but almost all the other places I check out frequently were ready to throw fits about the lack of assists, 2v2, etc and many of those places are currently throwing fits about other stuff.
Doctrine Dark
Member
You're right. Everyone has a right to critique the game. I've done the same.
On the other end, people have a right to give the game merit on its gameplay without having to be labeled a "shill" like some of these weirdos continuously do. Seeing Max, LI Joe, and certain others having to explain they're not getting paid to praise the gameplay is unbelievably stupid and shows how toxic the community can be at times.
28 plus a "one random" and "two random" buttons
Fair points. That stuff is silly. I never leave stream chats open for all the meme nonsense that gets spewed.
I'm more pissed about the voice acting to be honest. It feels so phoned in.
Bionic ARRRRRRRRMMMM, Wright's Monologue during Level 3, Dark Phoenix's "I can't control it" all made you fist pump and yell em out with the characters. Heck, Gravity Squeeze and Nova's moves were so hype that songs were made out of them.
Compare that to the shitty song remixes, awful sound mix and weird cadence we are getting now. Theres barely any OOMPH behind any of the new lines or sounds, and even lines that should be hype, like during Thanos' level 3, sound like wet farts due to the weird sound mix.
Also unpopular opinion but I think Ultron just sounds awful. No emotion or energy behind any of his deliveries. You could say it's intentional coz of him being a robot but my dude Sentinel had more punch behind his delivery
Bionic ARRRRRRRRMMMM, Wright's Monologue during Level 3, Dark Phoenix's "I can't control it" all made you fist pump and yell em out with the characters. Heck, Gravity Squeeze and Nova's moves were so hype that songs were made out of them.
Compare that to the shitty song remixes, awful sound mix and weird cadence we are getting now. Theres barely any OOMPH behind any of the new lines or sounds, and even lines that should be hype, like during Thanos' level 3, sound like wet farts due to the weird sound mix.
Also unpopular opinion but I think Ultron just sounds awful. No emotion or energy behind any of his deliveries. You could say it's intentional coz of him being a robot but my dude Sentinel had more punch behind his delivery
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Theres a reason for that. People like Max have collaborated with Capcom on stuff before.
Newniverse
Member
Played demo a little more. I love how Captain Marvel's air charge can actually OTG. I dont know about you guys, but I can think of dozens of combos in my head. The demo is the only thing limiting me.
To play devil's advocate, people aren't calling Joe, Champ Wong or Kbrad shills because they're getting paid, but because they are getting access to the illuminati room and private game time while the unwashed masses have to wait in line. Also because they are tweeting like hyperactive 12 year olds. Them tweeting like Russian bots "OMG so sick MARVEL INFINITE" and barely responding to any questions or criticisms from their followers is giving the wrong impression.
This tweet from Jiyuna explains it perfectly (I think he's just ribbing them tbh)
For the record, I'm not calling then shills, just explaining where the haters are coming from.
There's also this tweet from F.Champ making the rounds on Twitter
To be fair, it's a but disingenuous to call him a hypocrite because of this as I recall seeing him critique the graphics and mention talking to Ono about them, not that I expect that to change anything
This tweet from Jiyuna explains it perfectly (I think he's just ribbing them tbh)
For the record, I'm not calling then shills, just explaining where the haters are coming from.
There's also this tweet from F.Champ making the rounds on Twitter
To be fair, it's a but disingenuous to call him a hypocrite because of this as I recall seeing him critique the graphics and mention talking to Ono about them, not that I expect that to change anything
Doctrine Dark
Member
Yeah, but he's also said countless times that he thinks SFV sucks and doesn't like playing it.
If someone says they like the game, but think the game is weak graphically, that's like the exact opposite of a Capcom shill.
Turbanator
Member
I spent the last hour and a half or so piecing together the big leaks and trying to nail down what I'd expect the final roster to be more or less, and I'd like to hear you guys's thoughts on it.
Prepare for a bit of a read.
Prepare for a bit of a read.
Jawmuncher
Member
Wouldn't surprise me if that ends up panning out. Especially such a lackluster first season of DLC.
But wouldn't Venom as DLC fly in the face of the all-newcomers thing?
direct_quote
Member
Fighting game elites have gotten back stage access to fighting games a lot in the past, so it's dumb to call it shilling now. Plus this is the first public E3 in forever and the lines to play games were huge so it makes sense to give people who play fighting games a chance to actually play them.To play devil's advocate, people aren't calling Joe, Champ Wong or Kbrad shills because they're getting paid, but because they are getting access to the illuminati room and private game time while the unwashed masses have to wait in line. Also because they are tweeting like hyperactive 12 year olds. Them tweeting like Russian bots "OMG so sick MARVEL INFINITE" and barely responding to any questions or criticisms from their followers is giving the wrong impression.
This tweet from Jiyuna explains it perfectly (I think he's just ribbing them tbh)
For the record, I'm not calling then shills, just explaining where the haters are coming from.
I think you're close. It's possible that the 3rd new DLC character on the Marvel/Capcom side may not actually appear in story mode, which would explain Ant-Man on Ryce's list but not on this one, if he is in fact a DLC character. Also means that we have a complete mystery for the 3rd Capcom character, with Grandmaster being likely for slot #2.
SomeRandomWeirdGuy
Member
What's weirdest about the voice acting is that there's a bunch of good Voice actors in the demo. It just has to be some terrible direction or casting choices or something. I've heard a bunch of them do amazing jobs in anime and games and shit, but everything just sounded real bad.
Turbanator
Member
That's precisely why, given the newest leak, I think Antman might be DLC and Venom will in fact be on the main roster. Having his own minions makes him too important to even be DLC IMO, and him having a variant would make little sense if he weren't launching until over half a year after the game.
racketpunch
Member
What?
He's more of a casual fan now, he's buying the game possibly because of tradition, but is worried about it's appeal to people more casual than him.
That's what I got out of it anyway