People will still just try and simplify it down to teraflops.
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PC World Struggles To Build PC for $500 to match XOX
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People will still just try and simplify it down to teraflops.
- Much faster cpu
- 580x currently priced to high, because they aren't in supply
- 16GB Memory total
at the same time they throw in an overpriced Blu-Ray drive that no one uses on pc, but the One X has it ...
If you chop of the drive and replace the 580x with a 4GB 480x you are already $110 down to ~$540.
- 580x currently priced to high, because they aren't in supply
- 16GB Memory total
at the same time they throw in an overpriced Blu-Ray drive that no one uses on pc, but the One X has it ...
If you chop of the drive and replace the 580x with a 4GB 480x you are already $110 down to ~$540.
There's a point when you know enough about the hardware configuration for this to be a totally obtuse question.
They say a lot of things. I wouldn't take any of it at face value.
Right.
They're probably getting both the CPU and GPU for $200. The rest of the parts is a drop in the bucket, comparatively. $20-ish for the HDD, maybe the same for the PCB maybe a little more for the UHD, and then the rest of the miscellaneous parts, their cut selling to resellers, R&D, etc.
Dumb and pointless article.
Dusktildawn48
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All 3 consoles combined couldn't match the amount of exclusives that the PC has.
Destiny 2 has already been shown to play at 4k/60fps with cards available now. Mean while before the XBX even comes out it is known to be 4k/30fps.
Yeah prices aren't going to change much until Volta releases. Especially now with the mining craze. You can't even buy a 580 right now. Volta might release this year though, or at least not much later than November in early 2018.
Will they bollocks. It isn't physically possible given the R&D and engineering that has gone into the device. Why is this even a point of Contention?
You can get a really awesome 2nd hand rig with that money.
You could build something new but the reality is on pc there's a different focus.
A bluray drive is not necessary but a SSD with at least 64gb is even a must in lower budget builds nowadays.
Linus tech tips did scrapyard wars and tne 2nd team build got a 980ti and a highend cpu pc from 2nd hand parts in their budget of 500 bucks.
PC has a really good 2nd hand market with high price fluctuations.
Like on cars don't spend your money on something brand new if you have a low budget or generally want the best for with your money.
I only advise to get components which are described in good/very good conditions (maybe with og packaging).
You could build something new but the reality is on pc there's a different focus.
A bluray drive is not necessary but a SSD with at least 64gb is even a must in lower budget builds nowadays.
Linus tech tips did scrapyard wars and tne 2nd team build got a 980ti and a highend cpu pc from 2nd hand parts in their budget of 500 bucks.
PC has a really good 2nd hand market with high price fluctuations.
Like on cars don't spend your money on something brand new if you have a low budget or generally want the best for with your money.
I only advise to get components which are described in good/very good conditions (maybe with og packaging).
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I don't doubt this but I'd be more impressed if they could manage to do this and fit it into a case thats as compact as the X. The ones in the PC world article kind of miss the point there too, those bulky ass cases aren't going to fly in a lot of living room setups. Haven't checked PC cases in a while but even the smaller ones are much bigger than the X.
Buggy Loop
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Of course it's difficult. Every fucking pieces of hardware has a profit cut from not only the manufacturer but the seller too. Add these up with no mass production, it's very hard to compare.
Also very hard (on dignity) to go so low CPU wise.
Also very hard (on dignity) to go so low CPU wise.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
only ignorants expects buying a machine that does MUCH more (even only gaming wise) for the same price of a console 
ElfArmy177
Member
Lol
BibiMaghoo
Member
That is a bullshit PR answer though, because it is either sold at a profit or loss. They did not cost it perfectly to its price tag in multiple regions, because that is actually impossible to do. He may mean that the loss or profit is small and so they see it as even, but it assuredly is one or the other. I believe it is fairly obvious which.
Sad Affleck
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It's possible. I mean the difference is already only $100 or so with six months to go.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Which also explains how Scorpio increases HDD speed. Currently that is shared between system processes and games, with Scorpio it will all be available to games. No magical SATA upgrade necessary.
Beer Monkey
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That looks big, ugly, and loud. And it won't play UHD BD movies.
Salty Rice
Member
Its the Bone X.
Get with the times.
Get with the times.
HighResTomato
Member
So this Kinguin they link in the article, is that like the G2A of software?
Azure Phoenix
Member
Pretty much. If we could get parts at bulk cost price I don't see how it'd be too difficult to match the specs.
Agree with this just didn't bother wasting my breath. It's certainly at a loss. They care more about MAU and the ecosystem then hardware imo. That's where their revenue is.
Key point here. Microsoft can mass produce the Xbox One. You buy one piece of hardware that has gone through the manufacturer, the distributor and the seller... all of which add to the retail price so they can take their cut.
Besides, if I wanted to match the Xbox One X, I would buy an Xbox One X. If I'm building a PC, it's because I don't want to be limited by the hardware I'm using. Go big or go home.
Top contribution. The most powerful post ever.
They have ones specifically made for living room setups that are compact. They just don't have as much expandability
https://www.newegg.com/HTPC-Media-Center-Cases/SubCategory/ID-690
No it is not. They dont even include cost of a mouse, keyboard (mandatory on pc), WIFI (because she cheap the board), or even the Xbox One controller.
Every new gen of GPUs leaves the previous one in the dust. We're starting to get to the limit with CPUs, but by the time november rolls around we'll have the next gen GPUs on the market and the XboneX probably will be outclassed just by simple progress. Nothing wrong with it, anyones who buys a gpu now will have it outdated as well, just the constant march of progress.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Judging from my PC case shopping back in December it seems like there's a growing number of PC cases that have dropped the optical drive enclosure altogether. Digital is where everything is headed, and I can't say I've seen PC gamers put together builds that bother with UHD drives.
wesleyshark
Banned
Exactly this
D'ultimate
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Isn't that the point though? Joe Schmo is unable to just put together a comparable gaming PC for the same cost because...reasons.
Literally!
LQX
Member
Thing is you can slowly build a gaming PC and wait for parts to go on sale. You do not have to buy junk in one swoop to come under the price of what takes to match the specs of the XB1X. Also, chances are you already have a PC with some parts you can reuse until you get better. That is one the great things about building your own PC.
Moreover, the used market can save you hundreds. And over time you can add and remove parts, so a decently built PC today can still most likley outclass the next iteration of the XBox and PlayStation when they release in in the next few years. Hell the system I started building 5 years ago and only did some minor upgrades to is still outclassing this new XB1X by a mile.
So yeah, the XBox One X is seemingly a great gaming console for what you are paying but a gaming PC at $100-$200 more is a better investment in the long run as you can upgrade it for years to come meanwhile the XB1X is stuck with configuration it ships with.
Moreover, the used market can save you hundreds. And over time you can add and remove parts, so a decently built PC today can still most likley outclass the next iteration of the XBox and PlayStation when they release in in the next few years. Hell the system I started building 5 years ago and only did some minor upgrades to is still outclassing this new XB1X by a mile.
So yeah, the XBox One X is seemingly a great gaming console for what you are paying but a gaming PC at $100-$200 more is a better investment in the long run as you can upgrade it for years to come meanwhile the XB1X is stuck with configuration it ships with.
Bolivar687
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Such a useless exercise. The RX 580 won't be running games at dynamic resolutions to hit "4k," meanwhile, it can also run a whole host of titles at significantly higher refresh rates. The 4k Blu Ray drive is a red herring and they admit it in the conclusion, it's largely a content delivery format and not a cherished feature consumers attach a value to.
Building a machine that can't be replicated on the open market is not an achievement, certainly not for a Microsoft.
Building a machine that can't be replicated on the open market is not an achievement, certainly not for a Microsoft.
Maximus P
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I normally like the PC crowd, but some of you sure are insecure when powerful consoles hit the market.
Yes, out of the box hardware as of right now seems like great value, especially when you consider the small form factor of the device. Of course the PC has other benefits such as the option to upgrade in the future and an array of cheap games and 'exclusives', but this thread is simply about the value of the hardware in the box.
Yes, out of the box hardware as of right now seems like great value, especially when you consider the small form factor of the device. Of course the PC has other benefits such as the option to upgrade in the future and an array of cheap games and 'exclusives', but this thread is simply about the value of the hardware in the box.
But for ppl building, upgrading PC's we have to go by the retail price for what we as consumers have to pay.
Its been this way for years. If we always factored in what these companies paid we would never have comparison builds.
We wont get these pieces at the cost MS, Sony, Nintendo, etc get. What you say goes for any DIY vs retail device.
Even the ram situation. Prices sky rocketed lately. I know these companies dont pay what we pay, but dont they also have to pay more than usual too?
I always assumed if stuff goes up for consumers it goes up for them too.
Maybe some of us like to highlight the BS of such comparisons.
Still doesn't change the fact I'm getting a XOX and detest the original X1.
LordRaptor
Member
Couple of hundred million to acquire the licence, source code, development tools and team to do so?
Marty Chinn
Member
Ya, but it really doesn't matter that they aren't selling it for a loss. The big difference that people don't seem to focus on is when you build a PC, you're buying parts sold for a profit and have mark up. Microsoft has the advantage of buying parts for less than we can buy on our own. The lack of mark up is why you can't build one that's just as good.
Kssio_Aug
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Without the console this is pointless. I wouldn't expect they to build a 500 dollars PC with the same specs and things on the package though, cause that makes no sense either right now. That is not the point when people build a gaming PC... not this 1x1 comparison at the same or eariler date of a console launch.
OnionPowder
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Xbox One X is a good price for a 4K 30FPS machine. There's no doubting that.
PC specs will be able to match it at $500 in due time, but at launch it's not in a bad spot, especially for a media center piece.
But, god forbid your PC build doesn't have a UHD drive that you'll never use though. That's obviously the most important part about the X1X. I bought a Blu Ray Drive in 2011 for my PC and I've literally only used it to burn CDs, which I don't do anymore because my car has bluetooth and Spotify exists now.
PC specs will be able to match it at $500 in due time, but at launch it's not in a bad spot, especially for a media center piece.
But, god forbid your PC build doesn't have a UHD drive that you'll never use though. That's obviously the most important part about the X1X. I bought a Blu Ray Drive in 2011 for my PC and I've literally only used it to burn CDs, which I don't do anymore because my car has bluetooth and Spotify exists now.
This. You can already play Destiny 2 at 4k/60fps on PC. The damn box hasn't even come out yet but it's clear you can't do that. Can't argue power so let's argue power/cost then!
ElfArmy177
Member
Agreed. The insecurities among PC gamers that feel threatened or have to boast about something that's better is really hilarious. Being a guy who builds them myself, I love my Xbox, and can't wait for the one x. PC gaming can be such a headache sometimes (especially couch PC gaming), so I welcome power on the couch.
How much to build a PC that does 4k at 60fps?
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