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Spring Anime 2017 |OT| Don't be a SukaSuka for Gacha

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Jarmel

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Attack on Titan S2-
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I found this season of AoT to be vastly improved over its predecessor. It reminds me of the leaps in quality found in Symphogeah and Fafner. AoT S2 feels like the team at WIT has a better grasp on the material both in how they want to present it and the emotions they want to hit. This cour for starters actually had an emotional core to it, which consisted of Christa and Ymir, that wasn't really present for the first season. The focus on them gives the audience a reason to care about at least some of the characters in this universe.
I didn't think much of the relationship between the two when reading the manga but the way it's presented here, with remixed material from Ymir's background, really makes for an interesting dynamic. The relationship also benefits from the enhanced visuals, largely credited to the digital makeup team at WIT, that enhances certain moments. This season had a bigger focus on the eyes as a way of conveying emotion and it worked in a way that I've never really seen done before. I think I have over 50+ screenshots of just eyes. It's not just the increased shading on the faces however, this season seemingly (I admittedly don't remember much of this from S1) had better layouts which simply presented the material in a more captivating fashion.
It somewhat reminds me of Michael Bay, not in how most people associate Bay with explosions but rather motion and heroic framing. There's a lot of shots that have the characters posing or the camera tilted upwards with the hero at the top of some hill/rubble while an action is happening in the background. I'm thinking of Mikasa standing on the castle ruins while the scouts launch a counterattack behind her and, as seen above, Eren on top of the hill in the last episode.
Most people would describe Araki's direction in S1 as being bombastic and while that's true here as well, it works better because the show revels in it on almost all fronts. At times it felt like Araki's direction was conflicting with the material presented and here I never got that impression. Part of that is obviously due to the increased production values all around but it's also because the storyboarding is more judicial in its framing and is more consistent from a tone perspective. The director is willing to let other parts of the production do the heavy lifting and not just force it from the storyboarding side. The above shot for example is not anything fancy from a storyboard perspective but the increased shading and lighting done later give it a significant emotional punch.
All of the above is not downplaying how fantastic the choreography during the fights were. Arifumi Imai has gotten more comfortable doing the 3DMG maneuvers over the years. The camera is moving more in conjunction with the characters during some of the high intensity scenes. The MMA wrestling between Eren and the Armored Titan was more fun to watch than Annie and Eren's boxing in S1. WIT finally being able to stick to a production schedule is reflecting in how much more consistent the visuals are.
Even from the audio side, I found Sawano's score in this cour to be possibly his best work since Unicorn (I would have to relisten to TBF/SDS to make a firm judgement there). Unlike Re:Creators where he's clearly half-assing it, there's a number of really good tracks this season and the directors are also improved at using his music. His stuff is nowhere near as obnoxious as previously and surprisingly works well in a number of scenes. I wasn't planning on commenting on the voice acting but I thought the final episode was excellent enough that it's worth mentioning. Yuki Kaji nailed Eren's laughing in the middle as it was haunting and expressed his frustration well. At times I can almost empathize with Eren and that's a miracle in of itself with how annoying he is. Similarly Yoshimasa Hosoya did a great job with Reiner later as you could actually hear the fear and trepidation in his voice.
It's pretty weird to be describing Attack on Titan as really being a good show but here we are. I'm not sure I like saying it either. Anyway, everything seems to be clicking now over at WIT. Season 3 should be pretty hype. Just let me fast forward to 2018.
 
As someone who genuinely liked season 1 even when others had (legitimate) complaints against it, looking forward to watching season 2 so much now. Been holding off so I can binge it. Might do it next weekend.
 
i forgot this show existed

The World Yamikuzan 05

Ok this episode was balls out crazy. Using some halfway to African-period Picasso art style, a guy in a restaurant discovers that most people have been replaced by robots for some reason and then leads a resistance in the sewer as old man John Connor until revealing he was also a robot the whole time and then this happens


I cant decide if this show rules or is awful
 
Keijo!!!!!! - 12 END
This is such an good, fun show. Normally, I'm not into fanservice shows anymore, but Keijo's absurd premise made it entertaining without relying solely on arousing viewers. The ways of using their T&A as weapons got better and better up to the final episode.

It was also surprising with the amount of body types you saw, and the characters with thicker builds were rarely reduced to fat jokes or body shaming(too bad the manga has some of that though).
Ujibe is best teacher.

My only issue with the show in general was the stereotypical predatory lesbian that is Mio and some serious off-model art in the second half. Some of the girls' bust sizes in certain shots change drastically.

I also found a TON untapped shipping potential. It's so hard to find any good material between pairings like Nozomi x Sayaka, since their chemistry's so amusing.

It's so good, that I'm incredibly disappointed about the manga's cancellation with no signs of Season 2.

Re: Creators - 11
I know the show gets a lot of flack for its exposition and seemingly idiotic character decisions, but I can understand where the writing is coming from. Souta's a more realistic teenage boy with serious self-esteem issues. Meteora's excessive exposition and Alicetaria's violent heroic tendencies are just part of their writing flaws from their source material. I came to accept a long time ago that this is a more character driven show than I expected.

That being said, I still find Selesia to be the best girl, who went from your average light novel heroine to being a who's friendly and cool-headed big sis type. And yeah, there's the cleavage window I guess. 😜

EDIT: Of course, a SOL comedy spinoff would be Grand.
 
Attack on Titan's cloudy sky backgrounds are so good looking. Backgrounds in general are something you barely get in the manga whereas the anime is top in that regard. Except during sequences where they use ridiculously low-textured 3D plains during e.g. some chasing scenes.
 
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well at least no one said savages

Theres an immortal tribe in the Amazon and when people go to investigate it they disappear so another guy goes in and it turns out the secret to them being immortal is they shrink people and put them in their bodies to fight off diseases

yep
 
i forgot this show existed

The World Yamikuzan 05

Ok this episode was balls out crazy. Using some halfway to African-period Picasso art style, a guy in a restaurant discovers that most people have been replaced by robots for some reason and then leads a resistance in the sewer as old man John Connor until revealing he was also a robot the whole time and then this happens

I cant decide if this show rules or is awful

The World Yamikuzan 07

FUCKING JUGGALOS

The World Yamikuzan 08

Theres an immortal tribe in the Amazon and when people go to investigate it they disappear so another guy goes in and it turns out the secret to them being immortal is they shrink people and put them in their bodies to fight off diseases

yep

What even is this show.
 

Dynedom

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Uchouten Kazoku S2 - 11

So those revelations were expected. I really wonder if this show is going to shrug it off again and
let Suon off the hook again. He's already responsible for the death of 1 Tanuki and he tried to do the same shit again. The big question is whether or not he knew Kaisei was with Yasaburo as that would elevate his villainy to true cartoony levels
 

Narag

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My Hero Academia S2 12

Funniest thing about this episode is the idea of Endeavor watching from the stands as All Might gave his son a silver medal.
 

Narag

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My Hero Academia sure goes down easy this season, but recently I've been heavily processing what tournament arcs really mean to shounen series. On one hand MHA feels like it takes a more modernized approach to staples of the genre, but when I reflect on the what I'm taking in it almost feels like I'm watching the death of shounen action in real time. It's important to understand and interpret what tournament arcs have been utilized for in the past. Typically speaking we see a focus on documenting character growth, match-ups that give context for the abilities of the cast against one another while giving the sidecast an opportunity to showcase their talents under a shared spotlight, and for characters to be tested and placed in a situation where they have to overcome odds.

I'm hesitant to say that there is a specific way to do things, but it sure feels like MHA ignores most of these concepts while also abandoning the structure that shounen fights tend to adhere to. When it comes to fight scenes of the genre you tend to get a rough sketch of a character that fills out more as the match progresses, but I really don't get the same sense of operation order here. It is exceedingly uncommon for characters to utilize their abilities in unexpected ways in Academia, and because they tend to have known quantity single quirks the base of shounen action is completely absent: surprise. Sometimes fighters will pull something unexpected out of their back pocket, other times they'll creatively utilize their powers to overcome a situation that otherwise seems insurmountable. MHA regularly feels like it just devolves into simplistic brute force usage of its powers, and often hides its biggest clashes behind giant explosions as contestants meet one another. This caveman brain approach to action is further undermined by most of these power struggles having a single swing point that decides the match in one blow.

From a storytelling perspective I also just find Academia's tournament arc to be highly questionable. How much was really gained from this entire experience? What kind of change do we see in the main cast? Midoriya takes such a heavy backseat here, and development for Bakugou, Iida, and Uraraka also just feels...very limited. None of these fights really challenge these characters in a way that pushes them to grow. We get tons on Todoroki, but we still don't see that stuff pushed into a new place after twelve episodes. The story of these characters is not really the only stagnant piece here either, their abilities really see almost no development over the course of the tournament. I'm just questioning how much we really got out of this entire arc.

The powers of the lesser characters feels extraordinarily downplayed as well. All Might has a line about anyone being able to have one the tournament this week but it feels so hollow. Even with a variety of events that should offer an opportunity for certain characters to display skills other than direct combat the same characters are positioned above all others across the entire event. This is so disastrous that a character with super speed can't even really shine during a race event. For all the unique powers jammed in to this show we wind up in a place where ice is the most powerful element in the universe that seems to overcome all else.

Looking more broadly the simplicity of this tournament arc is also just...kind of embarrassing. Other shounen shows like Naruto pile in alternate storylines that dramatically impact the flow of events. The Chunin Exams aren't just about pitting the characters against one another or testing the cast, Ororchimaru has infiltrated the event to try and get closer to Sasuke, while other villages like the Sand prepare to attack the Leaf Village. There are interests, storylines, and concerns here that stretch far and change the scope of the story. By contrast MHA has every major character simply aiming to become a stronger hero with no real concern outside of the tournament other than the brief teaser with Iida's brother to set up the next set of events. Even just the way the tournament plays out feels like it takes the easiest way out. In other tournament arcs you see events bleed into one another. Events take their toll on characters and that bleeds into other fights, whether it's Kuwabara standing up for his team as the last contestant in the Dark Tournament while he can barely keep himself up from bodily damage, or Sasuke toughing out the preliminaries after the perilous journey through the Forest of Death that left a seal limiting his abilities. MHA just has no momentum that carries through this arc.

And that is still not really speaking on how lacking Academia is from a visual perspective. That background work is hideously simplistic and horrendously colored, and even the fights feel lacking in personality, movement that spikes the clashes, and general framing. Blows don't flow into each other and the storyboarding takes easy ways out in the same way the story does by simplifying the action. Even when someone like Yutapon contributes it's hard to feel like he is really contributing to the look and feel of the show overall. There is nothing even remotely close to the effort put in by someone like Norio Matsumoto on Naruto, who has such a tremendous impact on the look and feel of the action on the show that it almost seems to influence the way the original creator does work on the manga. Academia just feels so...aimless and pedestrian to me. The entire cast wants to be the best and do their best, but it sure doesn't feel like the people working on the property are putting in their all or stretching themselves.

This is also a really good post.
 
I watched a single episode of MHA a few weeks ago when everyone was hyped for a particular episode, and it seemed to me 'Shonen: The Shonen series'. Just using the formula to a T.
Good-hearted, a bit plain and dumb Protagonist with secret big power hidden in him who main feature is to have a strong will/tons of guts, cocky/edgy friend/rival/co-protagonist recognized to be the next big thing, fight tournament arc with commentators and audience and everything, battle against said friend to 'save/help him', it was all a stereotype after another.
 

Puruzi

Banned
I watched a single episode of MHA a few weeks ago when everyone was hyped for a particular episode, and it seemed to me 'Shonen: The Shonen series'. Just using the formula to a T.
Good-hearted, a bit plain and dumb Protagonist with secret big power hidden in him who main feature is to have a strong will/tons of guts, cocky/edgy friend/rival/co-protagonist recognized to be the next big thing, fight tournament arc with commentators and audience and everything, battle against said friend to 'save/help him', it was all a stereotype after another.

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Narag

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Attack on Titan S2 12 FIN

More articulate people with more inclination to explain why will do so such that I'll just say this is what happens when an adaptation exceeds expectation.
 

Ascheroth

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Eh, I agree with Jarmel and phaze there in that dimb critizes this tournament for things it never set out to do.

I have to agree though that the anime is party at fault here with its pacing. I personally think season 2 pacing has been great, but dedicating an entire cour to this festival really makes it seem much grander than it's supposed to be. In retrospect it won't matter much once we reach the 100 episodes and a lot more has happened : P

But even then, we have what, 6 episodes of actual tournament? The chuunin exams are 48 episodes and the Dark Tournament also has 40. That's just on an entirely different scale.

I would also say that there was quite a bit of character development and important moments there. I guess what could make it seem a little pointless is that there are no insta-gains here. I think the recent episode said it quite good: They reached their indiviudal starting lines and are ready to take a step forward, but it won't happen overnight.
Todoroki did not get over his trauma just with one 5 minute pep-talk by Deku.

I 100% agree with the backgrounds however. They're so fucking bland, it's such a waste.
 

Jarmel

Banned
I watched a single episode of MHA a few weeks ago when everyone was hyped for a particular episode, and it seemed to me 'Shonen: The Shonen series'. Just using the formula to a T.
Good-hearted, a bit plain and dumb Protagonist with secret big power hidden in him who main feature is to have a strong will/tons of guts, cocky/edgy friend/rival/co-protagonist recognized to be the next big thing, fight tournament arc with commentators and audience and everything, battle against said friend to 'save/help him', it was all a stereotype after another.

That's funny because Deku's main attribute is his intelligence.
 
Lupin the Third Part 4: So I've been holding off on this until the dub was finally finished. I watched the premier last night on Toonami and it did not disappoint. I love the characters, the art style, and music. It's just fun. Especially since it got the edgy-ass Tokyo Ghoul anime to bounce off of. Cassandra Lee as Rachel is also pretty good casting. Makes the Persona 5 comparisons even better lol.

You mean Rebecca, don't you? Not Rachel.

You and the rest of the Toonami watchers are in for a treat. I can't wait to see your reactions to a certain episode.

Anyway, thanks for the reminder that I have to finish watching the OVA episodes for Lupin III Part 4 (They were released a couple of months after the series' finale, so I didn't get to them). I really liked the rest of show, so I should have probably checked them out earlier, but oh well, time to watch and maybe give my opinion.
 

_Ryo_

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So I wanna watch Tales of Zestiria the X but I have a few questions.

A few hours/episodes of Tales of the Abyss is the only anime/game of the Tales series I have ever watched. Do I need to watch anything else to understand the plot? Do I need to watch Tales of Zestiria to understand "X" Is "X" a sequel? Prequel? Remake? Something like FullMetal Alchemist Brotherhood?
 
You mean Rebecca, don't you? Not Rachel.

You and the rest of the Toonami watchers are in for a treat. I can't wait to see your reactions to a certain episode.

Yep Rebecca. Got the names mixed up by mistake. I've loved the past Lupin series and movies I've watched so I've been really looking forward to this one.

I watched a single episode of MHA a few weeks ago when everyone was hyped for a particular episode, and it seemed to me 'Shonen: The Shonen series'. Just using the formula to a T.
Good-hearted, a bit plain and dumb Protagonist with secret big power hidden in him who main feature is to have a strong will/tons of guts, cocky/edgy friend/rival/co-protagonist recognized to be the next big thing, fight tournament arc with commentators and audience and everything, battle against said friend to 'save/help him', it was all a stereotype after another.

So rather than just watch the first episode you jump in the middle and make sweeping generalizations about character's personalities? Makes sense.
 

Tonton

Member
So I wanna watch Tales of Zestiria the X but I have a few questions.

A few hours/episodes of Tales of the Abyss is the only anime/game of the Tales series I have ever watched. Do I need to watch anything else to understand the plot? Do I need to watch Tales of Zestiria to understand "X" Is "X" a sequel? Prequel? Remake? Something like FullMetal Alchemist Brotherhood?
X is an adaptation of the game, which already was a standalone story so you should probably be fine just jumping into it
 
So rather than just watch the first episode you jump in the middle and make sweeping generalizations about character's personalities? Makes sense.

I thought hot takes were in now!

edit: but seriously I watched it because I heard it had nice sakuga, not because I had interest in the series. I was saying, from what I saw, I still remain uninterested.
 

phaze

Member
Ymir and Historia suck, dragged down this whole cour and the former is the dumbest character in AoT-verse, which is a truly astounding achievement considering she shares that setting with such paragons of intellect as Eren or Potato girl.

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I thought hot takes were in now!

edit: but seriously I watched it because I heard it had nice sakuga, not because I had interest in the series. I was saying, from what I saw, I still remain uninterested.

I mean, I don't think you're all that wrong outside of the dumb part. Even then, Deku's fights can still amount just to "punch harder !" because of his boring quirk.
 

Narag

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Berserk (2017) 3

I knew the JRPG party was coming but not the sick badguy countetrparty. So glad to be back to this.
Berserk (2017) is real, and good, and he's my friend.
 

BasilZero

Member
Dat last ep for Season 2 of AoT.


I want more :(


Glad the 3rd season wont take 4 years lol



Also finished Gundam ZZ - probably the worst Gundam I've watched since Gundam Seed.
 
Ymir and Historia suck, dragged down this whole cour and the former is the dumbest character in AoT-verse, which is a truly astounding achievement considering she shares that setting with such paragons of intellect as Eren or Potato girl.

Ymir and Historia are both fine characters to me but, and that's one of the anime's biggest weaknesses, they got too much screentime without developing their relationship and conflicts, really. They were essentially yelling at each other about living for themselves, not lying, trust and so forth on like 4+ different occasions.

Starts with the episode on Utgard Castle ruins where Ymir transformed at the end. Then the following episode where we got the flashback that went into more detail of essentially the same thing. And, well on the three 'charge after Reiner' episodes, they still argued about the same thing. Including the flashback detailing her past and arguing about taking Christa with Reiner and Bertholt, where she kept reiterating what we already knew constantly.

Where was the real development there that justified THAT much screentime?
 
In my experience, My Hero Academia is neither as amazing as its biggest proponents say it is not as terrible as dimb says it is.

I don't think dimb was saying that it was terrible. Though my experience with MHA is that it's an insipid and uninspired take on a genre that's been done to death in every medium imaginable.
 
Y'all ain't ready for my hot take:

Stardust Memory > 08th MS Team

Yes... Yes... Come to my side....


In my experience, My Hero Academia is neither as amazing as its biggest proponents say it is not as terrible as dimb says it is.

What kind of safe, middle of the road, non-offensive, reasonable take the hell is this!?

But I actually agree: as someone who generally loves the series quite a bit and finds it to be one of my favorite Shonen manga.
 

Narag

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In my experience, My Hero Academia is neither as amazing as its biggest proponents say it is not as terrible as dimb says it is.

If you're referring to his post about tournament arcs, I don't think saying it lacks a certain density is him calling it terrible. Bringing up the Naruto Chuunin exam was a good example of having many factors at play which leads to a far more engaging experience. I don't have a ton of experience with tournament arc stuff myself but the only thing comparable I could think of was the HxH Heaven's Arena arc that was superficially as straightforward yet at the same time developed the concept of Nen which paved the path going forward yet simultaneously contextualized the bizarre feats of the characters leading up to it.
 
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