Psychological Intellect
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I hope they brush up the character models by release. They look really rough.
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Assassin's Creed Origins E3 hands on gameplay videos and impressions are going up
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
I played the shit out of this game. Easily my most played game by far at E3.
NullPointer
Member
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Glad no other games are coming out that day.
...what were you expecting? How much else should they change?
MetalliCabombination
Member
Souls game made by platinum exclusive to switch.
WraithWalker1893
Banned
Are you for real? Seriously? What do people want out of AC? Do you want an EA driving game? Jesus.
The gameplay has been drastically overhauled though. How it looks != how it plays. Read some hands on impressions.
ScaryShark
Banned
I sure will miss the holding down one button and counter killing a horde of enemies as they take their turns to hit me.
NullPointer
Member
They always nail the settings, so I'd like to see them double down on the stealth, parkour and assassinations, and make them less automated and linear. Unity was a step in the right direction, but it didn't get the time for iteration and polish. Double down on the polish on the core tenets of the game rather than adding all new systems that undermine those cores with each iteration (like bombs, tower defense, carriage combat, RPG levels and loot, etc).
They put in some really cool sailing and ships in Black Flag, but that would have been better as a non-AC game (and non-PvP-only too btw).
ScaryShark
Banned
How do RPG levels and loot undermine the core tenants of the game?
texhnolyze
Banned
Not be able to assassinate enemies that are higher level than you is a legit concern, imho.
NullPointer
Member
Its extraneous mostly. Unnecessary to those ends. But it also has bad side effects, like setting up a sweet assassination only to have your target shrug it off and go into melee because the player is the wrong level.
ScaryShark
Banned
Depends how it is explained in the narrative. Making combat meaningful or something you need to plan out will be a huge step in the right direction. Combat has been brain dead in this series kind of since the beginning and I say that as a big fan of the series. I'd love a AC game where fighting actually had stakes to it and I actually felt in peril.
If it takes character level to do so, so be it.
NullPointer
Member
Wouldn't levels also mean that even more of the game's challenges become trivial once you're a level or more above them? As it is you become a demigod quickly enough in AC games.
ScaryShark
Banned
Hypothetically but I'm looking at it from the POV that the combat in these games has always been trivial so anything being done to alleviate that, be it levels or stamina, is such a good thing to me I only see these changes as a positive for this game and the series.
texhnolyze
Banned
With my playstyle, I doubt the assassination level-gate will become a problem for me though.
I'll end up overleveling most enemies because I'm going to finish most, if not every, side quests in the game.
I'll end up overleveling most enemies because I'm going to finish most, if not every, side quests in the game.
I know you aren't serious, but oh well, I am. AssCreed sits just fine in the corner of games that I consume for mindless fun with a gorgeous world to explore.
Aside from that, I am afraid of too much clutter, especially in regards to RPG systems. I still want my 20-25 hour AssCreed experience without worrying too much over loot, level restrictions and similar stuff. If those fears are alleviated (or are baseless right now, because I missed an important interview or whatever), I will be juuuuust fine with Origins.
I'm just glad they are changing it up for each game. Rather refreshing and I am willing to give all their changes a try.
The one thing I am not fond about is the dodging. Dodge is fine in itself, but the way it transitions from standing animation into dodge animation seem very sudden and feels very floaty. It's like there's an animation missing in between to make it look more natural.
The one thing I am not fond about is the dodging. Dodge is fine in itself, but the way it transitions from standing animation into dodge animation seem very sudden and feels very floaty. It's like there's an animation missing in between to make it look more natural.
daninthemix
Member
I do think this looks good, but I wish they would finally add a difficulty setting. I have no interest in the combat, I just want to be a virtual tourist, and as such want a fail-less path through the fighting.
They have old school combat option, and watch dogs had a difficulty setting so maybe you'll be in luck
Ebenezer Grymm
Banned
I want an open world Hitman with an Assassins Creed skin.
I want enemies to be able to kill me with one sword stab just like I kill them with one hidden blade stab.
I want to HAVE to run from guards because I'll die if I don't. Make me use blending, hiding, smoke bombs etc.
PhantomThief
Banned
Whut -_-
Remember you can swap to the old system in Origins if you want
That seems like an odd really decision, what is the the shoulder trigger now? Hopefully you can change it back.
Another odd decision, is that in combat or from high places etc? Surely stabbing someone out of nowhere in typical ac style isn't blocked behind a levelling system?
Turin Turambar
Member
Yes, I would like more focus on stealth. They can use SC Blacklist stealth system (gadgets, cover to cover, etc) or the Hitman stealth system (social stealth) but stealth has always been underwhelming in AC series.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Too much focus on stealth is not viable for a AAA game with this size.
Think that Unity had some really nice assassinations in it and they build on that.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It is genuinely fascinating how much all of the impressions, videos, and get ignored. Like, even people ITT have played it yet they're ignored. Are people even watching or reading anything about this game...they've made a ton of changes, at the end of the day it's STILL gonna be an AC game. They're not changing it to Hitman, or Metal Gear, or Splinter Cell... ಠ_ಠ
False Witness
Member
Button configuration only, folks. They're not including the older, much more enjoyable combat system itself.
They really should have gone hard into a free-flow system with a ton of combat options ala Arkham. Souls style combat is just not fun against regular mooks.
Oh yeah you did wrote impressions sorry. I would like to hear more impressions from GAF people. More = better
Just seems weird to me when people say AC need some to be totally revamped. If you want something totally different gameplay-wise play a different game? It seemed to me it wasn't necessarily the formula that a majority of people had issues with (though it was up there), but more so the bugs that plagued the newer games because of limited development time. Unity for example could have been an amazing game had they maybe waited an extra year to polish it.
AC to me from the beginning was a world to explore (both throughout the world and "over it" via climbing buildings and traveling via roof tops while being a badass assassin and trying to take out my target without being noticed; while still enjoying a set piece or two mixed in throughout the game. Just seems it's slowly turning into any other action RPG now that the only difference is the exotic lands you get to explore each game.
AC to me from the beginning was a world to explore (both throughout the world and "over it" via climbing buildings and traveling via roof tops while being a badass assassin and trying to take out my target without being noticed; while still enjoying a set piece or two mixed in throughout the game. Just seems it's slowly turning into any other action RPG now that the only difference is the exotic lands you get to explore each game.
Yeah this is an unbelievably stupid idea.
I'll reserve judgment to see this mechanic in context, but AC isn't new to stupid frustrating shit (see: Unity).
keltickennedy
Member
Any news about the black box assassination missions for Unity and Syndicate being back and more refined?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The entire game's quest system is basically that but less linear. They've straight up removed the 100% synchronization system to focus on player expression first and foremost, they did say that if you want to pursue stealth you have to be dedicated towards that by upgrading the hidden blade, skill tree, etc., they even have stuff like advancing the TOD on the fly by holding a button as enemies have less visibility and sleep during the night. I suspect that there'll be less stuff like this tho.
Yeah, exactly. It's kind of the same with Call of Duty. If you want so many fundamental aspects of the series changed, do you even really want to play an Assassin's Creed game?
keltickennedy
Member
That is a huge bummer. I was hoping to see some hand crafted options for assassinating a target (Hitman Style) along with experimenting with the game mechanics yourself. I have a feeling watching a lot of the gameplay videos that it will be, kill the target undetected with the hidden blade, or fight through everyone to take out the target.
I'll have to wait and see. They haven't shown a full assassination mission yet.
Gah. I loved that about Syndicate's assassination missions.
keltickennedy
Member
Yep. I was hoping for them to expand on that stuff even more. Damn.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I was going off of what they showed at e3 and info from interviews. I think they wanna emphasize a 360 approach to missions as much as possible so minimal linearity outside of key story beats.
Yea they added a lot.
Syndicate was such a good fucking game. So well executed.
keltickennedy
Member
Except for the fact that you can't stealth kill enemies if they are a higher level than your character. This is a big no no. In a majority of RPGs you can overcome tougher enemies if you have the skills and a good game plan. For a game that also has stealth mechanics, you should be able to overcome higher level enemies if you are skilled enough with stealth.
Hopefully this gets addressed. For them wanting the game to feel more open, why gate the players off from completing areas because they aren't a high enough level?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It's less about level and more about how much you've invested in your hidden blade. As it has a seperate stat. Stealh AI at its core is incredibly susceptible to player manipulation. You still do damage when you try to assassinate enemies above your level it's just not an OHKO if you're not invested in a stealth build and getting stronger blades and such.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Me reading AC: Origins threads on GAF:
GAF reactions about initial announcements and images/video (Fake Quotes):
"Amazing!", "Can't wait to try", "meh", "I love the character design, and the idea of tomb raiding in Egypt!"
GAF reactions after announced in-game system/RPG elements and combat videos and/or at E3 gameplay:
"Combat looks janky", "Combat looks good", "This sucks", "I guess I'm skipping AC again", "Waiting for a sale", "Still in day 1"
My reaction to all of this:
"I'll be interested, will follow, unless it outright sucks I'll form an opinion after playing.".
I want this game to evolve a bit and welcome the changes as long as they don't break the game. Concern is healthy, but I want to play it for myself regardless since I've loved the series on the whole. I don't think the RPG elements or other elements have broken anything just yet.
GAF reactions about initial announcements and images/video (Fake Quotes):
"Amazing!", "Can't wait to try", "meh", "I love the character design, and the idea of tomb raiding in Egypt!"
GAF reactions after announced in-game system/RPG elements and combat videos and/or at E3 gameplay:
"Combat looks janky", "Combat looks good", "This sucks", "I guess I'm skipping AC again", "Waiting for a sale", "Still in day 1"
My reaction to all of this:
"I'll be interested, will follow, unless it outright sucks I'll form an opinion after playing.".
I want this game to evolve a bit and welcome the changes as long as they don't break the game. Concern is healthy, but I want to play it for myself regardless since I've loved the series on the whole. I don't think the RPG elements or other elements have broken anything just yet.
keltickennedy
Member
I realize that. And as I stated...it's dumb and goes against their "open approach" to everything.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Does it not make sense contextually tho? Remember we're just starting off as a regular guard instead of an assassin. So the more he invests in getting better at the stealth assassination the more he can overpower guards with that tool. Like if they say, didn't have accompanying animations for it and just blocked the action off completely I'd agree. But I like the idea of having to work for it.