Massive Duck. C.M.
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At any rate, I look forward to the video being Milo interview-level terrible.
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Ted Nugent and Bill Maher Come Together on No Violence in Political Debates Pledge
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Atom Heart Mother
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Ok, who? Can you provide proof and sources, because I don't know what you're talking about. Millions of people died from Socialism and communism, why should we embrace that? I'm not saying celebrities are important but its one small step to call attention to this issue.
SaviourMK2
Member
Don't expect us to clean you up when they punch you in the nose.
Never heard Ted Nugent saying this kind of stuff when Gabby Giffords got shot in the head. He was even called out on it by Piers Morgan of all people when they were arguing over 2nd amendment rights and he didn't make any calls to stop the rhetoric he himself was still spouting off.
Where were these steps after Gabby Giffords was shot? People like Nugent didn't say shit about stoping the rhetoric after six people were killed.
Edit: Damnit, HStallion!
I really don't know if that's factual man. I just Googled it and didn't find anything on Republican slave owners. In fact, they abolished slavery.
Since you asked, Dinesh Desouza will honestly tell you that few politicians ever switched sides and the socialist policies of modern Democrats are actually designed to continue "slavery" across black demographics, with votes in exchange for welfare, etc..
His words not mine.
IceBringer
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The guy who makes the anti-democrat propaganda movies?
I mean, when you're a direct target of the guy/his lack of bothering to even slightly research easily refuted lies his guests say that are meant to disparage you and everyone else like you, it's hard to even come close to liking Maher at this point. You can defend him all you want but all it tells me is you have nothing to lose unlike the people directly harmed by Maher's action/inaction at this point.
Millions died because of right wing wars and policies too.
Do you suggest we embrace that too?
Should we ignore political motivated massacres if they target Planned Parenthood or children in Norway?
Why is some old legislator life so much more important than all the other casualties?
Come the fuck on, you're not even trying here. I didn't ask you what some anti-black wack job thinks, I asked you where they went. But I guess the fact you posted that nonsense means you agree with him correct?
Try a little harder to hide what you are next time.
Correct. he has been spouting off violent rhetoric for years, no need to champion this low life.
mugurumakensei
Member
Doesn't really check out when you start mapping where Democrats have strongholds and where Republican strongholds are. I mean even checking from the 70s to now you can see very obvious signs of regression. Compare Trump to Nixon in regards to environmentalism. Nixon started the EPA. Trump's doing his best to abolish it.
Also, Dinesh D'Souza is a convicted felon. I'd rather not take his word.
The narrative hasn't changed. It's the same as it has ever been: there is reality and there is the non-reality that Fox News and other right wing outlets try to push.
The left is not being looked at as some violent crazy political spectrum.
uhh no duh. The Republican party saw its start in a coalition of anti slavery groups in the 1850's. They were a much different party back then than they are now. My greater point is that everyone owned slaves since the start of this country both Left and Right.
I mean, that's pretty funny since that requires you to ignore reality. Republicans of Lincoln's time became the modern day Democrats and vice versa. This is basic history knowledge dude.
Not even going to get into that Dinesh nonsense.
The very same. His appearance on Bill's show was constant bickering which discusses one of those films. Bill cracked a racist joke @ like 4:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MojjFUOUbuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MojjFUOUbuo
Dinesh Desouza is a fucking crazy person.
You should stop embarrassing yourself. Google who that nutjob Desouza is first.
Then check how the parties switched names so that historical republicans = now democrats, etc. I guess someone's already typed this out but bears repeating.
DontBeThatGuy
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yep. consider that the starting point.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Oh yea.. calling for the murder of the President is just city slicker slang lol Fuck you Ted Nugent. The only saving grace to this asshole having any kind of money at all is that he will likely make it to the final hours of the Republic.
uncelestial
Member
He personally donated $1 million to Obama's campaign. Frankly I find that action a lot more important than being all talk.
I'm not ever going to defend him when he gets criticized for fucking up, he deserves that. But I think he can also handle it, and apologize, and I don't mind watching a show run by an imperfect host. I don't need to agree with how he handles everything. I hated Jon Stewart for shitting on Occupy Wall Street all day and that sanctimonious "both sides" bullshit Rally To Restore Sanity, but I continued watching him anyway.
kitsunelaine
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I think you're missing air quotes around apologize there. No apologetic word I've seen from him about his fuckups has sounded sincere, at all. He's just a "yeah yeah stop talking about it already? I don't care. here, will this help you just SHUT UP" kind of person.
So donating to a black presidential candidate automatically make you an ally?
Donald Sterling donated to the NAACP, was he also an ally?
uncelestial
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No, I'm not, because booking an hour-long show with a nearly all black panel and airing yourself getting reamed by them, with Ice Cube taking the lead, is a pretty repentant act. And if you don't believe he was repentant, you have to at least appreciate that he took it on the chin, in public, on purpose.
And why wouldn't anyone trust the honest words of Dinesh Desouza, convicted felon and career huckster
kitsunelaine
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I don't believe he understands what he did wrong. I don't believe he thinks what he did was wrong.
An apology doesn't fucking matter if you don't think you were wrong. At that point it's just grandstanding.
uncelestial
Member
I do think he believes he was wrong. But I do agree with you that the apology would be worthless if he didn't.
I didn't comment on who is and isn't an ally, I answered the rhetorical question "what has [Maher] done?" I'll leave you to comment on who is and isn't an ally. I don't really think it's relevant to whether I find any value in his show. I like watching shows where Jim Jeffries tells Piers Morgan to fuck off, the audience boos shitty CEOs, and Republicans are mocked, even if that host fucks up as an ally constantly. That's not really the measure of anything to me. I'm not voting for him to be president. In fact the chaos of his show -- especially watching Maher himself get schooled by people like Cornell West and Ice Cube -- is most of what makes it interesting. He's not that smart or funny or liberal, after all. Or even likeable.
I just don't find him worthless. For every jerk he's given a platform to he's given a platform to 10 liberal people who stood up to agenda-driven conservatives on live TV on his panel brilliantly. If the debate is interesting, I don't care what the ref thinks.
The conversation they where having was about Maher being an ally was it not?
uncelestial
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Yeah, but I wasn't really joining in on that - just going after that one-liner post. Sorry, I guess that's kind of limited of me. :/
Massive Duck. C.M.
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So good of you to remind me that money buys allyhood.
uncelestial
Member
It can't "buy allyhood," which for the second time, I am not claiming. But it's a material action that has meaning. His million dollars probably did more to help than a million angry GAF posts, I can tell you that.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Should the rest of us stop posting until we raise a million then or what
kitsunelaine
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That speedy self contradiction gave me whiplash.
Vicetrailia
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If the left oppressed the right as vehemently as the right attempts, would moderates see it as equal?
Is this a troll post? Do you not know who the republicans were when slavery was abolished (ie it is literally the opposite of what you are implying) and do you not really know who Dinesh Desouza is when you defer to their.. uh.. expertise?
Atom Heart Mother
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Don't worry, they won't.
Oh this shit that I've already known about? How about talking about the Vietnam War that a left wing president put boots on the ground? Both sides being extreme are fucking bad, and I'm all for both sides cooperating and being peaceful. That's my damn point, every type of political side killed millions nobody is innocent.
It's important to care about all political attacks, I'm not ignoring these. Why can't we just wish for a little bit of peace?
He's a congressman. There's a difference, this is a person that actually works for congress and government. What's the difference if the president or someone as important in your country is killed? We shouldn't ignore any political motivated massacre, but when it gets closer to our government every day, shit's going wack
uncelestial
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I tell you what, I spend about 3 times as much of my time volunteering than I do on this site and I feel great for it. I actually feel like that matters.
I don't see the contradiction between agreeing that a person doesn't deserve a certain label and saying that something they did had meaning.
City slicker street slang???? I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
Unfortunately we passed the point of divisive rhetoric in March of 2009. Do these people realize that 2009 to January 19, 2017 happened? Most of us have notes with enough volume to fill an encyclopedia of divisive incendiary rhetoric coming from the right.
Go look at who started all the violence last year at Trump rallies. It isn't the progressive liberal democratic supporters that resorted to violence at these events. These were people emboldened by conservative propaganda and hate rhetoric on conservative media outlets and echo chambers.
Unfortunately we passed the point of divisive rhetoric in March of 2009. Do these people realize that 2009 to January 19, 2017 happened? Most of us have notes with enough volume to fill an encyclopedia of divisive incendiary rhetoric coming from the right.
Go look at who started all the violence last year at Trump rallies. It isn't the progressive liberal democratic supporters that resorted to violence at these events. These were people emboldened by conservative propaganda and hate rhetoric on conservative media outlets and echo chambers.
Heavens, now what ever could he mean by that?
Fuck this topic. Not the neogaf thread but the whole "tone down the rancor" rhetoric. Cops keep braining minorities and the extreme right wing keep intimidating/murdering/ setting fire to/ bombing/ running over/ stabbing/ shooting/ impaling minorities with an explicit agenda and now that one of theirs got hurt it's time to tone it down?
Motherfucker this is the shit you yourselves started. Especially you Ted Nugent. We aren't the ones calling to violence against fellow citizens of the US. It was you and people like you.
Motherfucker this is the shit you yourselves started. Especially you Ted Nugent. We aren't the ones calling to violence against fellow citizens of the US. It was you and people like you.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Do you see how inferring that you and Maher are better people for spending money and time in ways that you don't know whether I do or not looks in a thread about white liberal messiah Bill Maher having known racist and pedophile Ted Nugent on his show to rap about how dangerous the left is
kitsunelaine
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Okay. Let me put across how you're coming across to us. "You can't buy your way into progressivism, but you can spend money for progressive causes which is more important than those dang worthless keyboard warriors!"
If you don't understand, please at least try to.
He also said Obama was not black cause black people are thugs.
Bill Maher has a long history of fuckery, why do people ignore it?
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