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Nintendo of America says Metroid Prime 4 and "new Pokemon game" are 2018 titles

Metroid Prime 3 - August 2007(NA) / October 2007(EU)
Super Mario Galaxy - November 2007.

Nintendo has never been averse to releasing two massive first party games for the same platform in the same period.

or

Super Smash Bros. Brawl - March 2008 (NA)
Mario Kart Wii - April 2008 (NA)
 

jariw

Member
One other weird consideration: if Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon are both ready to launch in late 2018, would Nintendo even allow that to happen?

They may not want to release two big games close to each other, so it's possible that one might get pushed into Spring 2019 purely for the purpose of keeping a regular release schedule. If Nintendo had to choose between Metroid and Pokemon, I imagine they would rather launch a holiday Pokemon game and save Metroid as a Spring release when it will get more attention and not be lost in the shuffle of all the 2018 FPS games being released over the holidays.

Since they cannot commit to releasing either game in 2018, I suspect they are waiting to see which one might cross the finish line first.

Pokemon is a big game, sales wise. Metroid has never sold in big numbers. They don't compete for the same demographics.
 

GamerJM

Banned
I probably just have overly ambitious expectations but that sounds totally reasonable to me. The first Metroid Prime was a 2002 Gamecube release and Prime 3 was a 2007 Wii release. And it's not like the team has been occupied with other things. As for Pokemon, Game Freak can do quick work.
 

MoonFrog

Member
Come to think of it... he does say 2018 "will be about Metroid."

Trilogy HD confirmed?
He also says Metroid 4 and not Prime 4 in OP quote, so 2018 is perhaps about Fusion?

Fusion HD?

Idk I find Prime 4 2018 hard to believe but we'll see. If it isn't coming, perhaps Trilogy would be a good way to prime the pumps...perhaps they will do it.

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As to the Pokemon thing...Metroid is not going to cut into Pokemon sales if they were to coincide. I don't think Metroid sales would be hampered either. It'd be like a Mario + Xenoblade holiday. One game with core and mass appeal, one game with core appeal.

Also...there is August/September in late year too.
 

Seiniyta

Member
Although the models are high quality, the textures do need to be uprezzed probably, unless they already have those at hand. Furthermore, despite the high poly models I do expect them to perhaps add some detail here and there which on the 3DS are handled by textures to give them more depth.
 

spekkeh

Banned
If you look at the actual quote

We’ve announced a nice lineup through this year, and next year we have some big games coming with Metroid 4. 2018 will be around Metroid, Kirby, Yoshi, new Pokemon game has been announced. 

The new Metroid Prime is definitely confirmed for 2018. But the part "new Pokemon game has been announced" may also have been a new sentence. Meaning it's unclear whether it will be 2018. Then again would they release a mainline Pokemon game not in time for Christmas? Would they wait all the way to Holiday 2019?
 

Branduil

Member
One other weird consideration: if Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon are both ready to launch in late 2018, would Nintendo even allow that to happen?

They may not want to release two big games close to each other, so it's possible that one might get pushed into Spring 2019 purely for the purpose of keeping a regular release schedule. If Nintendo had to choose between Metroid and Pokemon, I imagine they would rather launch a holiday Pokemon game and save Metroid as a Spring release when it will get more attention and not be lost in the shuffle of all the 2018 FPS games being released over the holidays.

Since they cannot commit to releasing either game in 2018, I suspect they are waiting to see which one might cross the finish line first.

Metroid and Pokemon are extremely different games that appeal to different market segments. And Pokemon is much more popular overall.
 

Chauzu

Member
They would have shown Metroid footage if it was anywhere near ready for 2018. Don't kid yourselves.

With Nintendo you can never know, they might just feel they want a smaller hype cycle, and give the game just one proper E3 instead of dragging it out over two.
 

Chao

Member
This is how new hardware launches should always work. A constant release schedule, every month there's at least 1 cool Nintendo game being released. Keep it up like this next year and Switch catalogue can end up being amazing.
 

JoeM86

Member
Forgive me for claiming ignorance here, but doesn't the anime largely ignore the remakes as the respective games come out? I don't recall the story arcs deviating from the then-present regions for any of the remakes.

Like, when Lyra from HG/SS popped up in the anime for a few episodes, Ash and company were very much still in Sinnoh. Same for OR/AS, outside of the movie with Hoopa, weren't Primal Groudon/Kyogre regulated to a spin-off special during X & Y?

If we're following the logic of the anime, wouldn't that give more credence to possibly remakes being next in line, seeing as the Alola story arc is seemingly unfolding at a snail's pace?

Yeah it would, but then we'd have to ignore the fact every generation has had a year off, plus the fact that there would be no local communication between 3DS and Switch which would be a big issue and segment the userbase for the generation.

It's extremely unlikely. Like getting a max IV Shiny Pokémon with PokéRus in one battle without hacking
 

Chauzu

Member
Yeah it would, but then we'd have to ignore the fact every generation has had a year off, plus the fact that there would be no local communication between 3DS and Switch which would be a big issue and segment the userbase for the generation.

It's extremely unlikely. Like getting a max IV Shiny Pokémon with PokéRus in one battle without hacking

I agree you are probably right on this but that level of unlikeliness might be one of the most hyperbole statements I've read on here.
 

notaskwid

Member
How long has been since Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze? I doubt they are reinventing the wheel with the new Metroid, so it should be fair to expect it next year, yes?
 

Branduil

Member
They would have shown Metroid footage if it was anywhere near ready for 2018. Don't kid yourselves.

I don't think that's necessarily true. We didn't see Mario Odyssey footage until less than a year before it comes out. And ARMS wasn't revealed until 5 months before it came out. Nintendo doesn't like showing off games years before they come out any more.
 

takriel

Member
With Nintendo you can never know, they might just feel they want a smaller hype cycle, and give the game just one proper E3 instead of dragging it out over two.

They could have held back on showing footage so it wouldn't outshine the Metroid 2 remake that's releasing soon.

I don't think that's necessarily true. We didn't see Mario Odyssey footage until less than a year before it comes out. And ARMS wasn't revealed until 5 months before it came out. Nintendo doesn't like showing off games years before they come out any more.

This was their big reveal in the Spotlight. I just think they would have shown something, anything, if that game was anywhere close to completion.

It's like showing the Zelda logo when they're announcing a new Zelda game, and nothing else. You know the game is in development now, but still a long ways off.
 

Branduil

Member
This was their big reveal in the Spotlight. I just think they would have shown something, anything, if that game was anywhere close to completion.

It's like showing the Zelda logo when they're announcing a new Zelda game, and nothing else. You know the game is in development now, but still a long ways off.

Because they wanted to focus on games coming out this year, most likely.
 

LAA

Member
Amazing if true, but... the pokemon game was said it was more than a year away in the conference I thought?
That and MP4 seems verrry early if they can only show a logo for now, but Nintendo have seemed to be good when it comes to not announcing games too early.
 
How long has been since Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze? I doubt they are reinventing the wheel with the new Metroid, so it should be fair to expect it next year, yes?

DKTF shouldn't matter since it's confirmed that it is not Retro Studios that is making MP4. We don't know when Development started or who exactly is developing MP4. This is why we really can't say whether it's targeted for 2018 or not.

Edit:
This was their big reveal in the Spotlight. I just think they would have shown something, anything, if that game was anywhere close to completion.

It's like showing the Zelda logo when they're announcing a new Zelda game, and nothing else. You know the game is in development now, but still a long ways off.

You never know about Nintendo. Most would have said they would have shown Mario Rabbids at the Switch announcement, but they didn't and it was clearly in a state to be shown at that time. They may have simply felt it was better to wait to show the gameplay but thought it was necessary to show a teaser so people wouldn't complain about Metroid on the 3DS. That's just one possibility but truthfully we can't say they would have shown something if they had it because there may be several reasons why they only showed a teaser.
 

Zedark

Member
Amazing if true, but... the pokemon game was said it was more than a year away in the conference I thought?
That and MP4 seems verrry early if they can only show a logo for now, but Nintendo have seemed to be good when it comes to not announcing games too early.
I mean, fall 2018 is more than a year away, so that doesn't rule out anything.
 
I mean, fall 2018 is more than a year away, so that doesn't rule out anything.

Yea "May not release for more than a year" kinda implies holiday 2018. If it was 2+ years I'm not sure they would have bothered announcing it yet, but who knows with Nintendo.
 

AerialAir

Banned
I can see Metroid Prime 4 being a Q4 2018 game, but there's no way PokéSwitch is coming out next year, even if it's a remake.
 
I hope Retro is working on a new IP like the rumors say.

At this point we know they're not working on Metroid, and the chances of it being another 2D Donkey Kong game are slim, since they're a year past their usual development timeline and we still haven't seen an announcement.

Whatever they're working on, whether it's a new IP or a different classic Nintendo series, I think it's safe to say that their current project is something new to them.
 

Atheerios

Member
I have serious reasons to believe Pokemon actually just started development between April and June, and so will be a 2019 title.

https://youtu.be/vB8EskmscKg

In this interview (at 1:28), Masuda states that they don't know what to do with the Switch (regarding Pokémon). He mentions that at first he thought that people were going to use it mostly as a home console, but he was surprised to see people taking it with them, and wasn't quite sure who the main audience of Switch was. He even asks the interviewer how he uses his own Switch, and seems very surprised when he mentions that he always brings it with him on the train.

Unless Masuda is blatantly lying, I think until recently they were undecided on the future of the franchise, but they finally decided to embrace the Switch (or Nintendo just told them they are not planning a 3DS successor)
 

takriel

Member
I have serious reasons to believe Pokemon actually just started development between April and June, and so will be a 2019 title.

https://youtu.be/vB8EskmscKg

In this interview (at 1:28), Masuda states that they don't know what to do with the Switch (regarding Pokémon). He mentions that at first he thought that people were going to use it mostly as a home console, but he was surprised to see people taking it with them, and wasn't quite sure who the main audience of Switch was. He even asks the interviewer how he uses his own Switch, and seems very surprised when he mentions that he always brings it with him on the train.

Unless Masuda is blatantly lying, I think until recently they were undecided on the future of the franchise, but they finally decided to embrace the Switch (or Nintendo just told them they are not planning a 3DS successor)
Oh nice, another 2.5D game incoming...
 

iswasdoes

Member
Although I dont believe it will be 2018, if theyre using the same prime 3 engine then wont this cut development time significantly?
 

AerialAir

Banned
Although I dont believe it will be 2018, if theyre using the same prime 3 engine then wont this cut development time significantly?

I really really doubt they're using the Prime 3 engine. That engine was created from scratch by Retro Studios. We know Retro aren't the devs on this one and the Prime 3 engine was created following some of the leads UE2 had provided. That's a 2001 engine, not fit for a 2018/19 game.
 
Tanabe said in 2015 that MP4 would take 3 years to make, and based on his language in that interview it was obvious the game had already started production or had at least been greenlit. So 2018 makes sense.

Yep, those comments certainly imply the game was at least in pre-production in 2015. 2016 at the latest.

If you look at the actual quote

The new Metroid Prime is definitely confirmed for 2018. But the part "new Pokemon game has been announced" may also have been a new sentence. Meaning it's unclear whether it will be 2018. Then again would they release a mainline Pokemon game not in time for Christmas? Would they wait all the way to Holiday 2019?

Yeah he certainly seems sure MP4 is coming next year, but I still wouldn't take that as a confirmation. Definitely a strong possibility now though.

How long has been since Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze? I doubt they are reinventing the wheel with the new Metroid, so it should be fair to expect it next year, yes?

Retro is not working on MP4, they said it was a new development studio.

This was their big reveal in the Spotlight. I just think they would have shown something, anything, if that game was anywhere close to completion.

It's like showing the Zelda logo when they're announcing a new Zelda game, and nothing else. You know the game is in development now, but still a long ways off.

1) They knew that just the logo would still be a huge announcement and create a huge amount of buzz. Now they can save the footage reveal for when they need another huge amount of buzz.

2) They want to sell a sub-HD Metroid game on 3DS this September, and they don't want Metroid Prime 4 to distract from that. They've been doing that type of thing a lot lately- look at Fire Emblem 2018 for instance.


The bottom line is Nintendo is really, really not known for delaying games that aren't named Zelda. The Wii U era had 4 games delayed I believe- Zelda, TMS, XCX and Star Fox. This was out of the norm because they transitioned to HD development which always causes delays. Lately they have given us no reason to expect delays, especially when Xenoblade 2 is actually coming this year, which few on Gaf believed could be possible.
 

Cartho

Member
I don't think they even would have mentioned Pokemon for Switch if it wasn't out till holiday 2019. I think holiday 2018 is likely.

I mean they probably don't give a shit about fan uproar in GAF, so I don't think that's a factor. Why would they bother announcing Pokemon if it isn't coming out for over 2 and a half years? Also holiday 2019 would be 2 and a half years from JUNE. I cannot believe they literally only samtarted work on it this month. I would put money on bits of that Eurogamer rumour being accurate and that they had started work on it earlier in 2016. Mid 2016 - late 2018 is doable if they use SM assets sensibly.
 

Arttemis

Member
Is the referenced Pokemon game a Switch exclusive? I ask because that's the only Pokemon game in which I'd be interested.
 
I have serious reasons to believe Pokemon actually just started development between April and June, and so will be a 2019 title.

https://youtu.be/vB8EskmscKg

In this interview (at 1:28), Masuda states that they don't know what to do with the Switch (regarding Pokémon). He mentions that at first he thought that people were going to use it mostly as a home console, but he was surprised to see people taking it with them, and wasn't quite sure who the main audience of Switch was. He even asks the interviewer how he uses his own Switch, and seems very surprised when he mentions that he always brings it with him on the train.

Unless Masuda is blatantly lying, I think until recently they were undecided on the future of the franchise, but they finally decided to embrace the Switch (or Nintendo just told them they are not planning a 3DS successor)

If they literally started development at that time, they wouldn't have said anything at all.
 
Again what makes you think it just started development? We didn't know Metroid Samus Returns was in the works until 3 months before it releases. Fire Emblem Switch was announced with just a logo for 2018. Mario 3D World was casually mentioned in January 2013 with no info and released later that year.

Nintendo likes short announcement to release schedules, BotW, TMS and XCX are really just the exceptions.



Which is precisely what it was intended to do.
Because There's zero footage or info beyond the Metroid Prime 4 logo. I'm not saying Fall 2018 is impossible. Its very possible, but no info makes me think they just recently started development, and considering how much the quality 1st party games like zelda and metroid have been delayed, I won't hold my breath/hope that it will come out by end of 2018.
 

KingBroly

Banned
I have serious reasons to believe Pokemon actually just started development between April and June, and so will be a 2019 title.

https://youtu.be/vB8EskmscKg

In this interview (at 1:28), Masuda states that they don't know what to do with the Switch (regarding Pokémon). He mentions that at first he thought that people were going to use it mostly as a home console, but he was surprised to see people taking it with them, and wasn't quite sure who the main audience of Switch was. He even asks the interviewer how he uses his own Switch, and seems very surprised when he mentions that he always brings it with him on the train.

Unless Masuda is blatantly lying, I think until recently they were undecided on the future of the franchise, but they finally decided to embrace the Switch (or Nintendo just told them they are not planning a 3DS successor)

The "good" news about getting Pokemon on Switch is that they won't have to remake the Pokemon. They were already made in HD before the 3DS. All of the models you see on 3DS and mobile are the same, just with different shaders applied. That's a lot of the heavy lifting done right there.
 
Metroid next year?

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MoonFrog

Member
Yep, those comments certainly imply the game was at least in pre-production in 2015. 2016 at the latest.

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Yeah he certainly seems sure MP4 is coming next year, but I still wouldn't take that as a confirmation. Definitely a strong possibility now though.

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1) They knew that just the logo would still be a huge announcement and create a huge amount of buzz. Now they can save the footage reveal for when they need another huge amount of buzz.

2) They want to sell a sub-HD Metroid game on 3DS this September, and they don't want Metroid Prime 4 to distract from that. They've been doing that type of thing a lot lately- look at Fire Emblem 2018 for instance.

It is funny because I always took his comments as dis-confirmation that MP4 was actually in production and that he was still just kicking it around in his head and trying to find a team.

But...I could understand him as being coy about actually having something in production. But I didn't feel, at the time, it was implied that he was being coy.

I won't take it as such until we get Metroid Prime 4 confirmed for 2018, personally.

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Metroid 4. Said this yesterday, but guy is clearly on about a Fusion re-release :p.

I kid. Re-reading the statement, he does seem to buckle down on Prime 4 being 2018 and Pokemon does seem possibly not included, whereas Prime 4 seems obviously included, whether or not he had his facts straight.

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Yep. Samus Returns probably pressed them to announce that Prime 4 is a thing (although if it is 2018 indeed, they may have wanted to anyway). It also probably pressed them to show Prime 4 the way they did, whether or not they could have shown more.

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But yeah....I really want to believe Tanabe has gotten a new team together that has been working since 2015, has figured out Prime HD, and can deliver by 2018. That'd be amazing.
 
This was their big reveal in the Spotlight. I just think they would have shown something, anything, if that game was anywhere close to completion.

It's like showing the Zelda logo when they're announcing a new Zelda game, and nothing else. You know the game is in development now, but still a long ways off.

Or like showing a two second clip of Mario in some sort of fake Mexico for a game that would be launching a year later.
 

Gleethor

Member
Or like showing a two second clip of Mario in some sort of fake Mexico for a game that would be launching a year later.

Oh man. I forgot about the weirdly high number of people that were convinced that the Odyssey footage from the Switch reveal was fake, generic Mario footage.
 
Because There's zero footage or info beyond the Metroid Prime 4 logo. I'm not saying Fall 2018 is impossible. Its very possible, but no info makes me think they just recently started development, and considering how much the quality 1st party games like zelda and metroid have been delayed, I won't hold my breath/hope that it will come out by end of 2018.

There's zero footage or info about Fire Emblem Switch for 2018. But that was announced with just a logo in January and no one doubts that's coming. The common theme between the two games? They have other entries in their franchises coming this year.

Also, when has a Metroid game ever been delayed? I honestly don't know. As has been repeated quite a bit here, Zelda is pretty much the only series that constantly has delays, and it hasn't even been every 3D Zelda. Nintendo in general rarely, rarely ever delays games.

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But yeah....I really want to believe Tanabe has gotten a new team together that has been working since 2015, has figured out Prime HD, and can deliver by 2018. That'd be amazing.

It's certainly possible. It's also possible they're using UE4 which would greatly speed up development though probably make it harder to maintain 60fps. But with Nintendo's announcement to release schedule lately it certainly could be coming in 2018.

Or like showing a two second clip of Mario in some sort of fake Mexico for a game that would be launching a year later.

Yep, exactly. Everyone claimed it was super rough and there's no way it's from a real game releasing anytime soon.

Nintendo has been going for short announcement to release schedules for a while now, probably since that infamous January 2013 Wii U Direct. Probably partly because of that Direct too.
 
Man if Metroid Prime 4 does come out next year I'm getting my Switch as soon as possible. Can't miss out on that game. (Unless it's ass)
 
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