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My brother is a massive racist, and I feel broken

Geist-

Member
I've been sitting here for the past 5 minutes just sobbing into my hands. I watched the Philandro Castile video and I feel broken. It isn't the first time I've seen a video of a black man being killed by police, but it never gets any easier, but I don't usually break down afterwards.

But that on top of a realization I made yesterday about a close family member tipped me over the edge. I argue with my brother a lot over politics and stuff, he's conservative and idolizes Ben Shapiro. He sent me some fucking stupid video about how 800m Muslims are radical. This kind of rocked me at first, because that's a pretty sweeping generalization to make. I watch the video, it's about some dumb misunderstanding about Shariah Law. We go back and forth for a bit about it a bit. He starts talking about how refugees are raping everyone in Europe and how white supremacists aren't doing that. Wtf? I think. I point out the incident in Portland where some guy stabs 3 people for trying to intervene when he was shouting the n-word at a couple of black Muslim girls.

And then he starts texting shit like this:

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How the fuck do I deal with this shit? We were so fucking close, he's only 2 years younger than I am. He never used to be like this. He worked construction for a few years about 5 years back and I guess he had some bad experiences with some of his black coworkers. After that he started getting into politics, watching conservative pundits, and now he's a total believer. I've been trying so hard to walk him through how to fact check all these videos so he can come to the realization that he's wrong by himself, but his beliefs are fanatical. Everyone else but a few conservative pundits are fake news.

I mean, it's not like I didn't know my family were right-leaning politically, but my parents are more like diet racists, they don't feel any ill-will towards any races, but they grew up Republican during the Reagan years so they're not going to change.

But seeing this blind hatred for Muslims from my brother, and delusional ignorance, it's a new realization for me. It's the first time my brother's racism was brought out into the open, where he declared it to me, loud and proud. No disguises, no metaphors, my brother is a massive racist. Like, not just believing stupid politics shit, he literally believes Muslims are all murderers and rapists and they deserve to die kind of racist.

I feel so broken now. I rely so heavily on my familial network for emotional support to get through my life and I feel like someone just triggered a bomb inside my emotional foundation.

How do you guys deal, emotionally, when faced with this level of hatred from someone you thought you were close to?
 
My youngest brother is too. In fact he called one of the few black kids in his high school the N-word. I pretty much told him I'm done with him if that's the path he's chosen in life.
 
You can't OP, my dad is a racist too and it is destroying me personally but I've gotten to a point where, I acknowledged that I can't change him. That if all the science and facts can't change him nothing will.
 
Well, personally I'd break of all contact and tell them why before, but not sure if you're prepared to do something like that.
 
My brother is as well. To the point where we've actually fought.

You get disappointed and cut him out of your life. That was the easiest and only way to do it in my case unfortunately.
 
Yeah, I got a younger step brother like this. Luckily he lives in a different city and we don't talk much anymore, but some of the shit he posts of Facebook. Yeesh. I definitely know where he gets it from, and I'm just glad it's not my side.
 

SliChillax

Member
Makes me thankful for my brother. He doesn't even see black people as a different race, just like we don't see black or white Labradors as different breeds. You raise someone to see everyone equal, as a human, without any labels.
 

NYR

Member
Only a matter of time until he gets what is coming to him. Casual racism like that, intentionally egging people on like that, will only lead to a violent incident.
 

Nowise10

Member
Just continue to try talk with them and try to change their mind. I certainly didn't have the greatest beliefs years ago, but changed drastically.
 

Azzanadra

Member
I feel you op, not in my family per second ( I come from a Muslim family anyways so yeah) but a highschool friend is fully on the Trump/gamergate train. We don't hang out as much we used to, and when we do I did ifucallu avoid mentioning politics.
 

Geist-

Member
The only thing that's keeping me from breaking contact is that he's starting a mission (my family is Mormon) next month and I have a kind of delusional hope that 2 years in another country might fix him.
 

Gutek

Member
Only a matter of time until he gets what is coming to him. Casual racism like that, intentionally egging people on like that, will only lead to a violent incident.

Or he'll just become president in a couple years.
 
Either cut him off or just accept it, it's very hard to change somebody like that. My brother uses the N word a lot for whatever reason, maybe to be edgy or something I don't know. But he calls myself and my mother the N word and makes racist remarks about black people. Since we live together I'm not confronting him but when one of us moves out I'll be doing my best to not interact with him.

I think it started when he got involved in this stupid group chat with a bunch of idiots who were a bad influence on him. Hopefully, he'll grow up eventually.
 
Chip away at him with a smile on your face if you feel like making an effort. I managed to get my dad to stop talking shit about refugees and black people at the dinner table like that. A lot of people here are only interested in shitting on the head of every racist out there, but the truth of the matter is that if you're going to take a combative stance against someone, they'll be very unlikely to really think about what you're saying. So just be nice to them, however difficult it is, and ask question that make them in turn question their own beliefs.

If you don't feel like making an effort, just cut all ties/ignore him when he says shit like that.
 
The only thing that's keeping me from breaking contact is that he's starting a mission (my family is Mormon) next month and I have a kind of delusional hope that 2 years in another country might fix him.

Maybe back off a bit and see where it goes?

And not everyone is cool with tossing out a person like a used condom. You do you, though.

When their opinions are on the level of a used condom, the least you can do is throw it out.
 

Dr. Malik

FlatAss_
Take him on a trip to Europe, get him to interact with other cultures that will make him challenge his ignorance

Or just cut ties if he is not worth it
 

dramatis

Member
I got my brother addicted to The Daily Show and The Colbert Report real early so that this sort of thing wouldn't happen.

I don't know if there's an equivalent that can be used to entertain and inform the same way for the current lost young people population, but I think until you're really old and just set in your ways there's still a bit of chance to change thinking.
 
Looks like your brother knows just how to get a rise out of you. Just ignore him or block him . He knows what pisses you off , brothers do it all the time.
 
Chip away at him with a smile on your face if you feel like making an effort. I managed to get my dad to stop talking shit about refugees and black people at the dinner table like that. A lot of people here are only interested in shitting on the head of every racist out there, but the truth of the matter is that if you're going to take a combative stance against someone, they'll be very unlikely to really think about what you're saying. So just be nice to them, however difficult it is, and ask question that make them in turn question their own beliefs.

If you don't feel like making an effort, just cut all ties/ignore him when he says shit like that.
The only reasonable post in this topic.
 

Kurdel

Banned
White supremacy thrives in white communities because ostensibly progressive white people overlook, condone and normalize it to avoid conflict.

1- Cut out all the racists
2- Surround yourself with people who think like you
3-???
4- America is finally healed


I think staying in someone life's so you can be their tolerant friend is a better conduit to helping people change their minds. This has happened to me with one friend, and to me that has been (albeit slim) proof that people can change their views.
 

Geist-

Member
Chip away at him with a smile on your face if you feel like making an effort. I managed to get my dad to stop talking shit about refugees and black people at the dinner table like that. A lot of people here are only interested in shitting on the head of every racist out there, but the truth of the matter is that if you're going to take a combative stance against someone, they'll be very unlikely to really think about what you're saying. So just be nice to them, however difficult it is, and ask question that make them in turn question their own beliefs.

If you don't feel like making an effort, just cut all ties/ignore him when he says shit like that.

I'll consider doing this. It's going to be hard interacting with him, but I don't think I can just ignore it. Thanks.
 

pigeon

Banned
I think staying in someone life's so you can be their tolerant friend is a better conduit to helping people change their minds.

Except the advice I was responding to was explicitly "just never talk to him about racism." That's pretty explicit acceptance and normalization.
 

RinsFury

Member
I watched my father gradually turn into an open racist during Obama's terms, but it became pure unadultrated toxicity during the Presidential election. The fucked up part is we're not even white, but he sees everything in terms of "us vs them", the "us" being the mainly white republican base and himself, and the "them" being immigrants, muslims, the poor, LGBTQ, people from Mexico, etc. It was awful living there through that period, no amount of logic or reason could break through that hatred, moreso because he resented my being bi. I wish I could offer advice, but in my situation it ended up with him attacking me and kicking me out of the house. I've since cut all ties and doubt I'll ever speak with him again.
 

appaws

Banned
You seem to love your brother a lot, avoid talking about politics and civil rights and you should be fine.

Yeah, I think this is a good answer. You have to let some of it go past you and try to keep the peace. This is a pretty hyperbolic forum at times, and a lot of people will tell you to disown your brother. I would not do that. Your influence to him will be more important as a loving brother than as an arch-purist (from his point of view) who is willing to jettison a family member over politics.

My niece is a really annoying preachy vegan. I used to tease her about it, which she could not handle and it led to fights. I came to understand how sensitive she is about it and now I lay off the topic and just respect her individuality.

(BTW, I am not saying its a perfect parallel, but sort of.)
 

Shoeless

Member
The only thing that's keeping me from breaking contact is that he's starting a mission (my family is Mormon) next month and I have a kind of delusional hope that 2 years in another country might fix him.

That's actually not as far fetched a hope as you might think, especially if he's going to a country where something other than white is the dominant ethnicity, and English isn't the primary spoken or written language.

A lot of people come by their racism as the result of living an insular life surrounded by like-minded people. Being forced to integrate into another country for a significant period of time puts people in "do or die" mode, where they either adapt, or go back home. Living in a foreign country forces people to confront a lot of their preconceptions and predispositions about foreigners because now THEY are the foreigner.

It's very humbling for a person who is thought of as extremely gifted with words to be regarded like a village idiot because now, even though they've got all these witty observations and great conversational opening gambits perfectly formed in their head, they no longer have the words they need to get it across, and people have to treat them with patience and the slow use of words. Now, finally, they realize that those foreigners they made fun of for not speaking English correctly might have actually been really brilliant or charismatic, but the language barrier took that away from them.

For some people living in another country is exactly what they need to learn how to empathize with others that do make the commitment to leave everything behind and try to create a new life in a strange place with a new culture.
 
I get around it by not talking much to my siblings. they all share right-leaning ideals and it upsets me to talk with them about the world, so we mostly stick to sports, their kids, movies, random worthless stuff. It sucks because we have no real connection, but I don't really mind. I'd rather be alone than have a relationship with someone who thinks black people are ghetto and lazy, american indians are worthless alcoholics, etc.

though it seems like you want a good relationship with your brother so I'm not sure how to go about it. I'm no help sorry
 
1- Cut out all the racists
2- Surround yourself with people who think like you
3-???
4- America is finally healed


I think staying in someone life's so you can be their tolerant friend is a better conduit to helping people change their minds. This has happened to me with one friend, and to me that has been (albeit slim) proof that people can change their views.

How did you turn "don't refuse to talk to family about their racism" to "cut out all the racists?"
 

Kurdel

Banned
Except the advice I was responding to was explicitly "just never talk to him about racism." That's pretty explicit acceptance and normalization.

Yo this guy is crying over possibly having to cut his brother out of his life, I think in his case he isn't ready to engage in trying to wean him off racism.

How did you turn "don't refuse to talk to family about their racism" to "cut out all the racists?"

My personal stance vs what I think Op should do, considering his reaction.
 

trixx

Member
Chip away at him with a smile on your face if you feel like making an effort. I managed to get my dad to stop talking shit about refugees and black people at the dinner table like that. A lot of people here are only interested in shitting on the head of every racist out there, but the truth of the matter is that if you're going to take a combative stance against someone, they'll be very unlikely to really think about what you're saying. So just be nice to them, however difficult it is, and ask question that make them in turn question their own beliefs.

If you don't feel like making an effort, just cut all ties/ignore him when he says shit like that.
Probably the best thing to do but requires a considerable amount of patience. Have had a few friends say some crazy stuff and I usually ignore or cut off contact
 

Meowster

Member
Keep asking questions and finding holes in their logic. It's irritating (and probably best not to be too condescending) but they'll either start to figure shit out on their own or learn to not talk about that kind of thing with you. That's what I do with my racist extended family.. which has helped some become better people.
 
Encouraging people to cut off all ties and retreat into bubbles isn't going to help anyone.
Encouraging people to normalize their family member's nasty behavior through apathy isn't a solution either. I don't understand why condemning a family member over this stuff is terrible when people condemn their family over stupid shit all the time over less
 

pigeon

Banned
Yo this guy is crying over possibly having to cut his brother out of his life, I think in his case he isn't ready to engage in trying to wean him off racism.

So then he should cut him out entirely. That also seems fine! I think social pressure would work fine for stopping racism. The problem is it's never been tried because it relies on white allies to maintain that social pressure and they refuse to do it.
 
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