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[L Thammy]

Has Vege used the Big Bang once post Cell arc?

In the original manga, Vegeta never repeated named moves in the first place, although he did a move that looked almost identical to the Final Flash against Recoome. Can't remember if he did it in the anime, didn't see a lot of the later episodes.

I think he used it or something that looked like it in the Resurrection F movie? It was his move in Dokkan Battle anyway.

 

[AlimNassor]

I feel like Frieza is gonna attempt to kill Zeno here.

Pretty sure Zeno is invincible. He survived the universes destruction. Besides didn't Gowasu say he was invincible?

 

[L Thammy]

Pretty sure Zeno is invincible. He survived the universes destruction. Besides didn't Gowasu say he was invincible?

If Gowasu tells you to cut the red wire, your best bet is to cut the blue one. He has not been the most perceptive of gods.

 

[Copper]

*sigh* Agreed.

Like who knows when Trunks is going to return.

I always criticised the manga, but thought some of it interesting. After last chapter I'm just done with it.

What do you mean? He's been in the anime the whole time?

At least the manga is actually explaining things and making and effort to have some consistency. Perfected SSB is a much better concept than SSB kiaoken they even foreshadowed it.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Galick gun is awesome

 

[brinstar]

I liked when they brought back galick gun but now it's been done to death

 

[Durden77]

In the original manga, Vegeta never repeated named moves in the first place, although he did a move that looked almost identical to the Final Flash against Recoome. Can't remember if he did it in the anime, didn't see a lot of the later episodes.

I think he used it or something that looked like it in the Resurrection F movie? It was his move in Dokkan Battle anyway.

He did. The Ocean Dub of that scene is one of my favorite scenes in DBZ period, and probably my favorite Vegeta moment.

https://youtu.be/TX20KuQWH7s

Drummond fucking owned this scene.

 

[RocknRola]

Galick gun is awesome

That whole fight was so good. In fact, DBZ had a string of pretty damn cool fights from the Saiyan Saga to the end of the Freeza Saga.

Not that weren't cool fights in the Cell and Buu Sagas (there were) but outside of the actual enemies that were the namesake of said sagas, the rest of the fights weren't that cool or tense (with the biggest exception being Goku vs Vegeta round 2).

 

[L Thammy]

He did. The Ocean Dub of that scene is one of my favorite scenes in DBZ period, and probably my favorite Vegeta moment.

https://youtu.be/TX20KuQWH7s

Drummond fucking owned this scene.

Sorry, I was unclear. I meant I don't know if Vegeta repeated Big Bang Attack in later episodes. He didn't do it in the manga because he doesn't repeat moves there. Except that questionable instance.

But yeah, that's an awesome scene. Actually, I think Recoome as a whole doesn't get enough love, he was a great fight. I love how he keeps pretending that Vegeta's hurting him just to fuck with him more. Makes it all the more impressive when Goku destroys him.

 

[NandoGip]

What do you mean? He's been in the anime the whole time?

At least the manga is actually explaining things and making and effort to have some consistency. Perfected SSB is a much better concept than SSB kiaoken they even foreshadowed it.

I meant Future Trunks, he's barely done anything in the manga and soon he'll be gone for who knows how long

 

[ElFly]

Perfected SSB is a much better concept than SSB kiaoken

 

[Real Hero]

SSB kioken is one of the coolest things in all of Dragonball

 

[Skeeter49]

Frieza came up with the name True Golden Frieza from reading the manga,and seeing perfected SSB.

 

[Copper]

Can't tell if trolling? lol

An ability only Goku can use that was brought up out of no where, versus a form that actually makes sense. Blue being about ki control and calmness. That's why much stronger people like Beerus and Whis don't normally give off any aura because they are able to control it and lock it inside. Not to mention SSB Kaioken has no consistency and it hasn't really been explained much. Goku goes from being unable to control his body after using it the next day to being able to flip it on and off as needed. We are not even told how strong of a multiplier he's using, at first he said 10x but what about after that? Yeah it looks cool and was a cool throwback but I was hoping they would drop it after he fought Hit at least. Where do they even go from a form like that?

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Dat hair

 

[Hydrus]

He did. The Ocean Dub of that scene is one of my favorite scenes in DBZ period, and probably my favorite Vegeta moment.

https://youtu.be/TX20KuQWH7s

Drummond fucking owned this scene.

God I miss that old school Dbz animation!

 

[PK Gaming]

Oh Goku

 

[Magwik]

Manga SSG/SSB can go in the trash.

 

[ezodagrom]

Goku goes from being unable to control his body after using it the next day to being able to flip it on and off as needed. We are not even told how strong of a multiplier he's using, at first he said 10x but what about after that? Yeah it looks cool and was a cool throwback but I was hoping they would drop it after he fought Hit at least. Where do they even go from a form like that?

Against Hit he used x10, every other time afterwards he used just a standard Kaioken.
It's probably the same level as the one he used against Nappa and first one he used against Vegeta in the saiyan saga, in that one he just said "kaioken, while in the following ones against Vegeta he said "times 2", "times 3", "times 4".
The standard one, I think it's assumed to be a 1.5x multiplier?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Against Hit he used x10, every other time afterwards he used just a standard Kaioken.
It's probably the same level as the one he used against Nappa and first one he used against Vegeta in the saiyan saga, in that one he just said "kaioken, while in the following ones against Vegeta he said "times 2", "times 3", "times 4".
The standard one, I think it's assumed to be a 1.5x multiplier?

Nah, kaioken is "x2", times 2 kaioken is not a thing, goku was in "times 2" kaioken the entire time.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

#References

Right click and save.

 

[ezodagrom]

Nah, kaioken is "x2", times 2 kaioken is not a thing, goku was in "times 2" kaioken the entire time.

Start of his fight against Vegeta:

But it wasn't enough, so a bit later he used:

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Start of his fight against Vegeta:



But it wasn't enough, so a bit later he used:

Yes, but there's no difference, kaio-ken is x2.

 

[NeonZ]

Ok finally got Dragon Ball Fusions.

Time to fuse 17 with everyone and everything.

Regarding recruiting 17 in Dragon Ball Fusions as early as possible...

Spoiler

Well, actually you can only recruit him near the ending of the story, but there are a bunch of post-game sidequests.

At a certain point in the story, you'll get a quest to gather the 7 Dragonballs. 17 appears during that quest and after some events promises to help your party, but he won't actually be available to join the player's party until you're completely done with the dragon ball gathering quest. When that's done, just face some enemies near Gero's lab until a crown enemy pops up in Gero's lab's entrance. 17 will be part of that group and recruitable.

I meant Future Trunks, he's barely done anything in the manga and soon he'll be gone for who knows how long

His role really isn't very different from the anime's. The big moments are there, like buying time to get Goku and Vegeta to retreat from the future and standing up and cutting merged Zamasu when everyone else had fallen... the main issue is that he's much weaker, and so for example, rather than one episode with him holding his own against Black and Zamasu for a while we get him getting completely trashed by Black and barely surviving.

Although, really, part of the problem there is clearly Toriyama's. It's clear now that he didn't create any power up for Trunks, which is why the anime was so shy with SSJ Rage's introduction (no proper name, not even any comments from other characters).

 

[Skeeter49]

I keep forgetting to buy Fusions

 

[Real Hero]

Xenorverse 2 on steam sale or fusions???

 

[L Thammy]

Kaioken doubles your power.
Kaioken times N multiples your power by N.
That means Kaioken is as strong as Kaioken times 2.
Except Kaioken times 2 is actually stronger than Kaioken.

 

[Fulminator]

Kaioken doubles your power.
Kaioken times N multiples your power by N.
That means Kaioken is as strong as Kaioken times 2.
Except Kaioken times 2 is actually stronger than Kaioken.

Woah

 

[ezekial45]

I grew up watching DB and DBZ, yet I still haven't gotten the chance to watch this series (I did see Resurrection F, though).

One question I do have for folks that are caught up. Have they shifted the power balance at all from the previous series'? My one big complaint is that many of the saiyan characters were at the forefront, while Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, and other non-saiyan characters were pushed back as supporting. I really loved the scene with all of them in the movie holding their own, and I was wondering if Super gives them more of a chance to stand out at all?

 

[Sheroking]

I grew up watching DB and DBZ, yet I still haven't gotten the chance to watch this series (I did see Resurrection F, though).

One question I do have for folks that are caught up. Have they shifted the power balance at all from the previous series'? My one big complaint is that many of the saiyan characters were at the forefront, while Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, and other non-saiyan characters were pushed back as supporting. I really loved the scene with all of them in the movie holding their own, and I was wondering if Super gives them more of a chance to stand out at all?

By like episode 90, we have more parity than we've had since like Namek.

Honestly, though, Dragon Ball has always been about Goku leaving people behind on some level. That fundamentally won't change for good.

 

[ezodagrom]

Kaioken doubles your power.
Kaioken times N multiples your power by N.
That means Kaioken is as strong as Kaioken times 2.
Except Kaioken times 2 is actually stronger than Kaioken.

In other words, Toriyama derped. xd

Ah well, SSB's kaioken after the fight with Hit could very well be a x2 boost anyway, which likely wouldn't bring Goku to the state he was after the fight with Hit, so he was able to use it repeatedly since the exhibition match.

 

[Skeeter49]

I grew up watching DB and DBZ, yet I still haven't gotten the chance to watch this series (I did see Resurrection F, though).

One question I do have for folks that are caught up. Have they shifted the power balance at all from the previous series'? My one big complaint is that many of the saiyan characters were at the forefront, while Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, and other non-saiyan characters were pushed back as supporting. I really loved the scene with all of them in the movie holding their own, and I was wondering if Super gives them more of a chance to stand out at all?

It's been the Goku and Vegeta show up until episode 78, now that's changed a little bit.

Whether or not each character is stronger, each human character minus Yamcha is getting their moment. Same for Piccolo.

Even Buu had a really good fight.

KRILLIN and Goku fighting is my favorite episode of Super.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

I grew up watching DB and DBZ, yet I still haven't gotten the chance to watch this series (I did see Resurrection F, though).

One question I do have for folks that are caught up. Have they shifted the power balance at all from the previous series'? My one big complaint is that many of the saiyan characters were at the forefront, while Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, and other non-saiyan characters were pushed back as supporting. I really loved the scene with all of them in the movie holding their own, and I was wondering if Super gives them more of a chance to stand out at all?

Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin and Roshi have gotten plenty of love this arc.

 

[Real Hero]

I grew up watching DB and DBZ, yet I still haven't gotten the chance to watch this series (I did see Resurrection F, though).

One question I do have for folks that are caught up. Have they shifted the power balance at all from the previous series'? My one big complaint is that many of the saiyan characters were at the forefront, while Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, and other non-saiyan characters were pushed back as supporting. I really loved the scene with all of them in the movie holding their own, and I was wondering if Super gives them more of a chance to stand out at all?

Well there's lots of new characters like Beerus and hit and the current arc is forfronting older characters like roshi and 17 so right now is probably the best it's going to get in that regard

 

[Bowl0l]

Start of his fight against Vegeta:



But it wasn't enough, so a bit later he used:

Wait. In the manga, when Goku unleashed Kaioken against Vegeta, he didn't announce a multiplier, just Kaioken.
Then he use Kaioken x3 just to keep up with Vegeta.

 

[L Thammy]

I grew up watching DB and DBZ, yet I still haven't gotten the chance to watch this series (I did see Resurrection F, though).

One question I do have for folks that are caught up. Have they shifted the power balance at all from the previous series'? My one big complaint is that many of the saiyan characters were at the forefront, while Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, and other non-saiyan characters were pushed back as supporting. I really loved the scene with all of them in the movie holding their own, and I was wondering if Super gives them more of a chance to stand out at all?

The first two sagas (movie remakes) push Goku and Vegeta above everyone else as they're the only ones who get powered up. It's even worse than the Buu saga. The following two still suffer from this. The saga we're in now is making great strides, and suddenly everyone seems relevant again, but it has yet to be seen if that's going to stick.

At the very least, there are a number of character who seem to be on the top level again now. There are other characters who aren't super strong (well, by the standards we're operating on) but may be relevant due to techniques, those are the question marks.

Plenty of new characters have power that's up there (Magetta <3), but the only additions to the main cast don't fight.

 

[CryptiK]

After watching the last couple of episodes, man Super animation used to look real bad. If this animation keeps it up this arc is going to be amazing. Shame it wasn't there for U6vU7 and Black/Zamasu.

 

[ezodagrom]

Wait. In the manga, when Goku unleashed Kaioken against Vegeta, he didn't announce a multiplier, just Kaioken.
Then he use Kaioken x3 just to keep up with Vegeta.

Nah, it's in the manga too, the "x2" one is used after Vegeta powers up, Goku uses it to (barely) dodge a ki blast. The x3 one comes after this.

I grew up watching DB and DBZ, yet I still haven't gotten the chance to watch this series (I did see Resurrection F, though).

One question I do have for folks that are caught up. Have they shifted the power balance at all from the previous series'? My one big complaint is that many of the saiyan characters were at the forefront, while Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, and other non-saiyan characters were pushed back as supporting. I really loved the scene with all of them in the movie holding their own, and I was wondering if Super gives them more of a chance to stand out at all?

Things have been getting better for supporting characters in the newest arc:

 

[ArchedThunder]

After watching the last couple of episodes, man Super animation looks real bad. If this animation keeps it up this arc is going to be amazing. Shame it wasn't there for U6vU7 and Black/Zamasu.

This post is confusing.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

This post is confusing.

Beat me to it lol.

 

[ElFly]

Can't tell if trolling? lol

An ability only Goku can use that was brought up out of no where, versus a form that actually makes sense. Blue being about ki control and calmness. That's why much stronger people like Beerus and Whis don't normally give off any aura because they are able to control it and lock it inside. Not to mention SSB Kaioken has no consistency and it hasn't really been explained much. Goku goes from being unable to control his body after using it the next day to being able to flip it on and off as needed. We are not even told how strong of a multiplier he's using, at first he said 10x but what about after that? Yeah it looks cool and was a cool throwback but I was hoping they would drop it after he fought Hit at least. Where do they even go from a form like that?

Kaioh Ken didn't come out of nowhere, it is an old technique from before Super Saiyan

I think we had this discussion tho; the whole thing about controlling your ki better and not leaking leads to a way less interesting visual, where Goku just has his hair blue and ... nothing else. maybe from time to time a small micro thunder breaks if he is losing control but that's it. The anime already does that at times, showing Goku and Vegeta as SSB without auras

it looks lame

meanwhile the visual of SSBKK is much better, at least in the anime, what with combining the blue aura and the red one of Kaioh Ken. it is a lot more interesting visually, and has a proven way of hyping it up: rising the KK multiplier. also Super introduced a good problem for it, namely Goku getting the anime equivalent of rhabdomyolysis if he abuses SSBKK. after the Hit fight he has been a lot more cautious using KK for this reason

I think the quick switch between SSG and SSB that Vegeta does is much smarter than Perfected SSBlue -the anime could easily do it with SSJ to avoid the dumb use of SSG-. Perfected SSB is just a bad idea

Kaioken doubles your power.
Kaioken times N multiples your power by N.
That means Kaioken is as strong as Kaioken times 2.
Except Kaioken times 2 is actually stronger than Kaioken.

it is a percentage multiplier. 100% increase (KK) is x2, 200% increase (KKx2) is x3, etc etc

 

[Morlas]

This post is confusing.

kinda, animation has been pretty good lately though

 

[ArchedThunder]

kinda, animation has been pretty good lately though

He says Super's animation is bad and then says if it keeps up this arc will be amazing.

 

[Morlas]

He says Super's animation is bad and then says if it keeps up this arc will be amazing.

i think he means it used to be bad, but now it's good....probably

 

[HardRojo]

This post is confusing.

#Zamasu was...Confusing.

 

[L Thammy]

it is a percentage multiplier. 100% increase (KK) is x2, 200% increase (KKx2) is x3, etc etc

Where does that come from? As far as I know, the only sources we have (Daizenshuu 7 and the manga) say that it's the other way.

&#23550;&#12505;&#12472;&#12540;&#12479; ("Versus Vegeta", under the big picture of Goku on the top) = 8,000
&#30028;&#29579;&#25331;4&#20493; ("Kaioken 4 times", above the small picture of Goku on the bottom) = 32,000 = 8,000 * 4

It's honestly not a big deal for me; I never thought of Kaioken as multiplying your power anyway.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

Where does that come from? As far as I know, the only sources we have (Daizenshuu 7 and the manga) say that it's the other way.



&#23550;&#12505;&#12472;&#12540;&#12479; ("Versus Vegeta", under the big picture of Goku on the top) = 8,000
&#30028;&#29579;&#25331;4&#20493; ("Kaioken 4 times", above the small picture of Goku on the bottom) = 32,000 = 8,000 * 4

It's honestly not a big deal for me; I never thought of Kaioken as multiplying your power anyway.

Kaioken and Kaioken x2 are the same thing.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Ikari Trunks is confirmed to NOT be in the Xenvoerse 2 DLC, he is only in a CG cutscene.
FUCKING LAME! I don't know what the fuck Dimps was thinking.
Also Merged Zamasu still has the same shitty voice acting in English as regular Zamasu.
Funi is totally going to completely ruin that arc, aren't they?

 

[Undead Fantasy]

Ikari Trunks is confirmed to NOT be in the Xenvoerse 2 DLC, he is only in a CG cutscene.
FUCKING LAME! I don't know what the fuck Dimps was thinking.
Also Merged Zamasu still has the same shitty voice acting in English as regular Zamasu.
Funi is totally going to completely ruin that arc, aren't they?

 

[Morlas]

are we actually taking the va quality of Xenoverse to mean something when it comes to the show's quality?