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[Charles Brandon]

David Mundell was saying just the other day that any NI funding shouldn't happen like this, so unless they plan to leave the Scots Tories out to dry, the UK gov will have to give in to make it look like the Scots Tory MPs are worth something.

Not just about Scotland or Wales, of course. England should be getting a big chunk of money due to this too.

I'm not sure I agree exactly with your prediction but you have highlighted something quite interesting - the potential for this to escalate into a huge regional funding issue. I think I will climb down on my assertion that the scots won't kick up a fuss. I don't think Barnett is really the issue still but it's going to another large stick to beat May with.

Has Ruth Davidson said anything about this yet? She was already fuming about the DUP before the deal was done

 

[WhatNXt]

Waiting for the inevitable bus slogan:

We send £1 billion to NI every 2 years, let's fund our NHS instead!

That needs photoshopping asap

 

[Audioboxer]

They saved that money on cladding.

 

[offshore]

I admit this made me laugh.

 

[WhatNXt]

I trust there will be large, ongoing protests?

Hm?

No?

There is one collectively organised protest - on July 1st - that this may help in driving people out to support actually.

 

[Pandy]

I'm not sure I agree exactly with your prediction but you have highlighted something quite interesting - the potential for this to escalate into a huge regional funding issue. I think I will climb down on my assertion that the scots won't kick up a fuss. I don't think Barnett is really the issue still but it's going to another large stick to beat May with.

Has Ruth Davidson said anything about this yet? She was already fuming about the DUP before the deal was done

Yeah, I'm not saying the final solution will be to actually put the money under Barnett for accounting purposes, but if they want the budget to pass smoothly they'll need to at least make sure that they can rely on their own backbenchers, which at the end of the day will involve more money, or things that look like more money, going elsewhere.

In fairness, this level of horse-trading is exactly the sort of nonsense May was trying avoid when she called the GE expecting an increased majority.

 

[Dr.Acula]

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I admit this made me laugh.[/QUOTE]

Should have went with "You were only supposed to bribe the bloody doors off!"

 

[Bony Manifesto]

I admit this made me laugh.

Fuck George Osborne though. His weird ideological hard-on for austerity in the face of all reason has directly led to the country being in the state it is now. Using his connections to blag the job of editor of London's largest paper solely to give him a platform to take vindictive potshots at those he feels have betrayed him might be entertaining for us, but it just further demonstrates the kind of person he is, and I think we should be careful not to lose sight of that.

 

[TimmmV]

No, what they are upset about is that this aids the Conservatives staying in power. If it was Corbyn offering financial incentives to the SNP to secure a majority I'm sure the response wouldn't be quite as partisan.

Corbyn hasn't been preaching about austerity for nearly a decade though, nor did he campaign on the idea that his opponents are just throwing money around like its water. It's the hypocrisy that people are mad about

 

[Salvadora]

Devolution of corporation tax is huge.

 

[UtterlyPerplexed]

Nope. Nope. Nope. Totally no hypocrisy going on here. "There is no magic money tree?" woops, you must be mistaking them for another Conservative Party out there. Move along now, there's nothing to see.

Then watch the Tory sycophants stay completely silent about this while refusing to acknowledge that time after time their party since 2015 has brought more instability to Britain than under any other recent government.

 

[Audioboxer]

Some Sturgeon posting on Twitter

Nice shade at Davidson and her DUP concerns!

Fuck George Osborne though. His weird ideological hard-on for austerity in the face of all reason has directly led to the country being in the state it is now. Using his connections to blag the job of editor of London's largest paper solely to give him a platform to take vindictive potshots at those he feels have betrayed him might be entertaining for us, but it just further demonstrates the kind of person he is, and I think we should be careful not to lose sight of that.

Agreed, but it is a funny cover.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Nope. Nope. Nope. Totally no hypocrisy going on here. "There is no magic money tree?" woops, you must be mistaking them for another Conservative Party out there. Move along now, there's nothing to see.

Then watch the Tory sycophants stay completely silent about this while refusing to acknowledge that time after time their party since 2015 has brought more instability to Britain than under any other recent government.

I suspect there isn't a Magic Money Tree, but there may well be an MMT inc. (Magic Money Tree) company to get this billion from. Semantics.

 

[Ravensmash]

Fuck George Osborne though. His weird ideological hard-on for austerity in the face of all reason has directly led to the country being in the state it is now. Using his connections to blag the job of editor of London's largest paper solely to give him a platform to take vindictive potshots at those he feels have betrayed him might be entertaining for us, but it just further demonstrates the kind of person he is, and I think we should be careful not to lose sight of that.

The enemy of my enemy and all that.

 

[Wvrs]

We are now at the point where I'm more excited for PMQs to start than I am for GoT S7. It'll make a nice change to watch it without a sense of inevitable and impending doom, been a while.

 

[KarneeKarnay]

This is bull of the highest accord and I hope Labor keeps the pressure on them. There is blood in the water and it won't take much more to get the sharks more involved.

 

[theaface]

Just goes to show, for the naughtiest among you, brave enough to venture through and beyond and the fields of wheat, you can indeed find a magic money tree.

 

[Markitron]

Frankie Boyle referred to the DUP as the political arm of the old testament.

I think he was being kind for once.

 

[dan2026]

I don't how this is legal for the Tories to just buy votes.

 

[ghostjoke]

BBC might as well extend 2017 Wipe out to a full week at this point.

 

[_Rob_]

Has the political climate always been this bad and I've been blissfully ignorant, or is it really getting worse? Both May and Trump appear to be jumping through more loopholes than a shoelace at the moment, scary times.

 

[danowat]

Has the political climate always been this bad and I've been blissfully ignorant, or is it really getting worse? Both May and Trump appear to be jumping through more loopholes than a shoelace at the moment, scary times.

It's always been shitty, but social media has really brought it to the fore front of a lot of peoples minds.

 

[dan2026]

Has the political climate always been this bad and I've been blissfully ignorant, or is it really getting worse? Both May and Trump appear to be jumping through more loopholes than a shoelace at the moment, scary times.

I don't know man.

It's like I just woke up one day and everything was on fire.
There is no logic and reason in the world anymore.

Just hate, greed and selfish biogted monsters in charge.

 

[Spuck-uk]

I don't know man.

It's like I just woke up one day and everything was on fire.
There is no logic and reason in the world anymore.

Just hate, greed and selfish biogted monsters in charge.

"Thats a hell of an act, what do you call it?"

"The Tory Party"

 

[_Rob_]

It's always been shitty, but social media has really brought it to the fore front of a lot of peoples minds.

I really want to believe this, but I am finding that increasingly more difficult.

I don't know man.

It's like I just woke up one day and everything was on fire.
There is no logic and reason in the world anymore.

Just hate, greed and selfish biogted monsters in charge.

The worrying thing here is that it has me actually hoping the world has always been this screwed up. I realise living in 2017 UK is still a relatively very safe place, but I am starting to question if anyone with power cares beyond the end of their own nose.

 

[Bold One]

Fuck this

Fuck May

Fuck anyone who voted Tory/ Brexit

I hope you suffer the consequences of your actions in this life and the next.

 

[CelticKnight]

Theresa May is a giant cunt, leading a party of cunts, who were elected by cunts. That's pretty much how I feel at the moment.

I wonder if May will meet Foster at a random service station and hand over the money in brown paper envelopes?

 

[danowat]

I really want to believe this, but I am finding that increasingly more difficult.

I dunno, we had some really shit times in the 80's and 90's, but unless you mixed in the circles that spoke at length about these things, most people were blissfully ignorant.

 

[_Rob_]

I dunno, we had some really shit times in the 80's and 90's, but unless you mixed in the circles that spoke at length about these things, most people were blissfully ignorant.

I think for me I was too young at the time (mid 20's now). That's why I'm genuinely asking; I miss the innocence of youth.

 

[jelly]

Brexit is going to be hilarious and infuriating at the same time.

Only for 2 years, then what, even more. Can we just call it all a sham, Brexit never happened and get back to life and fix issues they've ignored for decades.

 

[dan2026]

Most of the time I feel I am the one sane man in a country of madmen.

How can anyone vote Tory in this day and age? They wear their evil on their sleeves.
They don't give a shit about anyone or anything outside of what they can grasp in their grubby hands.
And they don't hide it.

 

[_Rob_]

Most of the time I feel I am the one sane man in a country of madmen.

How can anyone vote Tory in this day and age? They wear their evil on their sleeves.
They don't give a shit about anyone or anything outside of what they can grasp in their grubby hands.
And they don't hide it.

I think it's ignorance. I've heard so many conversations recently where people convince each other to vote based on very little, and people daren't challenge it for fear of breaking their social circle. There's also a lot of media bias and misinformation, it's definitely difficult to separate actual facts from opinion.

It's also worth bearing in mind that one man's big issue is another's footnote. Not to mention how many appear to treat it like a popularity contest, the figurehead is not always wholly representative of the party. I overhead a conversation at a cash machine that ended with "I'm voting conservative because Corbyn has a punchable face, I don't trust anyone with a beard".

 

[danowat]

Most of the time I feel I am the one sane man in a country of madmen.

How can anyone vote Tory in this day and age? They wear their evil on their sleeves.
They don't give a shit about anyone or anything outside of what they can grasp in their grubby hands.
And they don't hide it.

A lot of people vote historically, how their parents voted, their social circle votes, or on the strength of their like for the party leader.

All are wrong.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

It's not a mystery why people vote for the Tories.

They went tax cuts and while most won't admit it, they like them attacking the welfare state. They hate the idea of less deserving people getting their hard earned taxes.

I don't think they want people to starve or die, but if that's the ultimate consequence of dismantling the welfare state, it's a necessary evil to ensuring their hard earned money isn't wasted.

Those who die didn't do enough and didn't work hard enough to make their life better, they didn't take full advantage of all the opportunities life has to offer.

 

[EmiPrime]

Did Dennis Skinner just shout out "make sure that cheque doesn't bounce" after Ian Paisley Jr's arse kissing question?

 

[Spuck-uk]

It's not a mystery why people vote for the Tories.

They went tax cuts and while most won't admit it, they like them attacking the welfare state. They hate the idea of less deserving people getting their hard earned taxes.

I don't think they want people to starve or die, but if that's the ultimate consequence of dismantling the welfare state, it's a necessary evil to ensuring their hard earned money isn't wasted.

Those who die didn't do enough and didn't work hard enough to make their life better, they didn't take full advantage of all the opportunities life has to offer.

A lot of the people voting for the tories are actively being hurt and demonised by their own policies, much the same as the republicans in the US.

Happily unlike the US, we have an opposition (finally) actually looking to offer alternatives.

 

[Bold One]

Most of the time I feel I am the one sane man in a country of madmen.

Been feeling this way for 2 or so years now - Brexit is when this country's mask finally slipped.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

A lot of the people voting for the tories are actively being hurt and demonised by their own policies, much the same as the republicans in the US.

Happily unlike the US, we have an opposition (finally) actually looking to offer alternatives.

Don't underestimate how much conservative voters will put up with if they know 'others' will have it worse.

 

[dan2026]

A lot of the people voting for the tories are actively being hurt and demonised by their own policies, much the same as the republicans in the US.

This is entirely my point. Most of the people voting Tory are being actively and continually hurt by their policies in the same way we are.

It make no sense. Its like voting to have someone continually stab you in the foot.

The only way I can rationalise it is if people are just voting in order to cause more pain to others than they themselves are receiving. An 'I don't care if I get hurt as long as I hurt you more', type thing.

I really hate to believe the majority or people are that cruel and sadistic. That's just too depressing.

 

[Spuck-uk]

Don't underestimate how much conservative voters will put up with if they know 'others' will have it worse.

Sadly, crabs in a bucket metaphor checks out.

 

[HazySaiyan]

I'd like to laugh at Osborne's trolling, but then I remember what a cunt he is and how his economic policies have literally killed people.

Osborne is just sticking the knife in because he doesn't like May, he doesn't actually care.

 

[StayDead]

I'd like to laugh at Osborne's trolling, but then I remember what a cunt he is and how his economic policies have literally killed people.

Osborne is just sticking the knife in because he doesn't like May, he doesn't actually care.

Yup, Osbourne is an asshole.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

It's not a mystery why people vote for the Tories.

They went tax cuts and while most won't admit it, they like them attacking the welfare state. They hate the idea of less deserving people getting their hard earned taxes.

I don't think they want people to starve or die, but if that's the ultimate consequence of dismantling the welfare state, it's a necessary evil to ensuring their hard earned money isn't wasted.

Those who die didn't do enough and didn't work hard enough to make their life better, they didn't take full advantage of all the opportunities life has to offer.

Pretty much. Seen research saying Tory voters overwhelmingly believe that there are great opportunities available in the UK if you just tried hard enough.

 

[Bold One]

Don't underestimate how much conservative voters will put up with if they know 'others' will have it worse.

If Trump and Brexit have taught me anything it's that people are willing to hurt themselves if it means those they perceive as undeserving will suffer.

 

[Moze]

Many Tory voters do have a deep hatred towards the underclass.They for sure don't mind them being killed off. Anyone who doesn't work is subhuman in the eyes of some people.

 

[Burai]

Most of the time I feel I am the one sane man in a country of madmen.

How can anyone vote Tory in this day and age? They wear their evil on their sleeves.
They don't give a shit about anyone or anything outside of what they can grasp in their grubby hands.
And they don't hide it.

Because they say the right things to people who don't care about the detail. They class people on £75,000+ as being part of "ordinary working families" so they can scare genuine ordinary working families into thinking they'll get hit by Labour's tax rises too, in spite of most households bringing in less than £50k combined.

There's also a lot of working class Tories who don't measure their worth by what they've achieved, but also by how much other people around and below their social status are getting fucked over. It's not good enough that they've got £10 in their pocket. They need to know that nobody else has £10 in theirs.

 

[Audioboxer]

lol when you start seeing comments along the lines of if Corbyn didn't get in the way of May/The Conservatives the DUP deal wouldn't have to be a thing.

Yes, it is Corbyn and Labours fault May and the Conservatives chased after the DUP and got this bribe, I mean, deal, signed.

 

[Anung]

lol when you start seeing comments along the lines of if Corbyn didn't get in the way of May/The Conservatives the DUP deal wouldn't have to be a thing.

Yes, it is Corbyn and Labours fault May and the Conservatives chased after the DUP and got this bribe, I mean, deal, signed.

Pesky democratic process getting in the way of our austerity wheat overlord.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Conservative voters: something something bootstraps, poor people didn't try hard enough, etc etc

 

[Dirtyshubb]

The most infuriating thing about why people vote Conservative is the clear hypocrisy of the opinions.

On the one hand you have them spouting the 'Tories are great with the economy' line they love, but then you have them going on about there being no money for social services etc.

It's like, don't you realise your first comment doesn't make sense? If they are so good, why is every public service underfunded?

There is enough money, it's just at the moment most money is being handled and funneled to the rich.

It's also infuriating how all you ever hear from people is "politicians don't listen, benefits are tiny, the rich get richer" and yet the party that clearly embody these notorious problems are the ones who get voted in. It's like me complaining how I can't stand child muderers and then Hire freddy kruger to babysit my kid and don't think there's a problem.