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[shadowstar]

Delays aren't even possible since that means more money to pay for increased development time, which means it has to sell more to recoup.

They've set themselves up to fail and audiences don't owe them the benefit of the doubt.

The only thing I can think of (to save this) is fix the faces and lighting, then release a versus demo when the game releases. A good free demo may change some minds. Also, announce some free updates including significant content like characters, modes, and levels. That and start working on a world tour mode to announce as another free update! Of course this also costs money, so it won't happen either.

 

[enzo_gt]

Delays aren't even possible since that means more money to pay for increased development time, which means it has to sell more to recoup.

They've set themselves up to fail and audiences don't owe them the benefit of the doubt.

The only thing I can think of (to save this) is fix the faces and lighting, then release a versus demo when the game releases. A good free demo may change some minds. Also, announce some free updates including significant content like characters, modes, and levels. That and start working on a world tour mode to announce as another free update! Of course this also costs money, so it won't happen either.

Yep, the root of the issue is also what Capcom is unwilling to do or at least communicate, which is a tangible investment in the fans via a greater investment in their products.

I mean, at base, they're showing out with MvCI when compared to SFV, but their fighting games basically needed the jumpstart that Spider-Man games got with Spider-Man PS4 from previous titles. It's tough in this year and with NRS increasingly pulling away and pulling more of the market IMO.

X-Men in base roster announcement and a free update schedule like Driveclub or Titanfall and stuff get would be nice but I don't think they'd do or announce those ahead of time. They need an injection of goodwill.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I do wonder how they can even attempt to turn around the negativity at this point. Like, what could the possibly do this close to release?

I think they just need better marketing with more hype around it. Everything so far has been luke warm. Even the demo reveal was just eh. Start popping out more character reveals and showcases of gameplay that aren't from people holding a camera or aren't tied to live streams.
Start trying to really take the feedback they've received and show they're really making changes and not just lip service.
Rather than releasing terrible renders, why not have Marvel and capcom artists do artwork for new reveals and such. It's just a bunch of little things they're fucking up on.

Especially from what I know of capcom, they budget their shit on stupid stuff all the time. Like replica jackets that will do nothing more marketing. The 5 grand you spent on that could have been given to artists:

They need to start treating this as a celebration of these two companies, not their next pay check.

 

[Lulubop]

Scrap the game, release Alpha, CVS and SF3 series for current gen and PC, along with Marvel 2.

I'd rather play this game than any of those again, especially SF3 or MvC

I think the lightning in the final build won't be as flat, but that still leaves the bad models. Only so much tweaking you can do, and Chun also has some really goofy ass animations. I cool graphical shader would do a lot of good but it seems Marvel dictated a more realistic/cinematic art style.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I do wonder how they can even attempt to turn around the negativity at this point. Like, what could the possibly do this close to release?

They could but I have a bad feeling that they wouldn't.

 

["God's Beard!"]

I'm gonna miss Spencer's 80k.

 

[Tingle]

I think they just need better marketing with more hype around it. Everything so far has been luke warm. Even the demo reveal was just eh. Start popping out more character reveals and showcases of gameplay that aren't from people holding a camera or aren't tied to live streams.
Start trying to really take the feedback they've received and show they're really making changes and not just lip service.
Rather than releasing terrible renders, why not have Marvel and capcom artists do artwork for new reveals and such. It's just a bunch of little things they're fucking up on.

Especially from what I know of capcom, they budget their shit on stupid stuff all the time. Like replica jackets that will do nothing more marketing. The 5 grand you spent on that could have been given to artists:

They need to start treating this as a celebration of these two companies, not their next pay check.

I'm not sure its a marketing issue at all, they don't seem to have much to work with. How are they supposed to market a game which has almost no new characters in a series largely based around fan service? In UMvC3, they could make a big deal out of each new character, but there isn't really any huge new characters this time for them to push.

The game's two biggest issues so far seem to be based around visuals/presentation and the poor character roster, and neither issue seems like it could be fixed with better marketing.

The game has to have something fans actually want for it to be marketed to them. They seemed to even understand that with their story mode push, but everything they have put out for that has looked lackluster, and that doesn't seem to actually be the fault of marketing.

 

[roflwaffles]

The 2-character reveals in MVC3 were great.

 

[Bronetta]

The 2-character reveals in MVC3 were great.

Those were genuinely exciting. I remember counting down to the next big event where they'd reveal characters. Rewatching trailers to admire the visuals and combos.


Havent gotten the same excitement from this game at all. Instead its disappointment after disappointment. Even when there's good news like "Demo Available Now!" its been accompanied bu more disappointment.

 

[Newniverse]

So I'm assuming we are waiting for Evo to hear any new Marvel news, yes?

 

[Jawmuncher]

So I'm assuming we are waiting for Evo to hear any new Marvel news, yes?

Yep. Evo and SDCC are the next things to look forward to.

 

[IntelliHeath]

So I'm assuming we are waiting for Evo to hear any new Marvel news, yes?

Kinda. D23 is going to happens at same weekend as EVO would. Also there is SDCC.

 

[Newniverse]

Yep. Evo and SDCC are the next things to look forward to.

Kinda. D23 is going to happens at same weekend as EVO would. Also there is SDCC.

Thanks guys! I've been around the board, just seems like theres not much to talk about.

 

[JeTmAn81]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";241994913]I'm gonna miss Spencer's 80k.

[/QUOTE]

SMH, this garbage should've gotten patched so fast

 

[Shadoken]

Lets not kid ourselves SFV is still a total mess. Ridiculous loading times for everything.

Game still needing to restart for patches, something no other modern game does.

Hour long maintenance downtimes, another thing unheard of for most modern games.

I can find a match in Overwatch with 11 other people faster than I can find one opponent in SFV.

How on earth is Loading time and maintenance equivalent to "SFV is a total mess"? Yes it is an annoyance , but its far from total mess. That would be SFV at launch. While the maintenance time is definitely unacceptable by modern standards , I really dont think that not being able to play the game online for one random day is such a big deal.
Also I really dont think Loading times and input lag are ever gonna get fixed. Seems like a UE4 issue. I wish Capcom just stuck with MT Framework

And as for finding opponents , have you tried opening ports? I had that issue after the CFN update and I now get matches almost every few seconds. And This is with setting 5 bar limit on the connection.

 

[IntelliHeath]

The 2-character reveals in MVC3 were great.

Yeah, they had a great pace of the announcements and we get two to six characters per month. The excitement and hype was pretty high on everything.

Thanks guys! I've been around the board, just seems like theres not much to talk about.

We could talk more about stages, a mystery Capcom character and game modes. The ride isn't exactly over for three months. I understand why fans want to vent their feeling and being completely down on the game. We should try to stay positive and hope that they would deliver with the final product. Just do it with low expectations.

 

[Anth0ny]

SMH, this garbage should've gotten patched so fast

sorry, phoenix wright's invincible assist takes priority

that was just too broken to stay

 

[IntelliHeath]

sorry, phoenix wright's invincible assist takes priority

that was just too broken to stay

It was really good assist. 😂

 

[JeTmAn81]

sorry, phoenix wright's invincible assist takes priority

that was just too broken to stay

You're right, that one guy that was also working on SFV Ken's face at the time was too busy to fix two UMVC3 issues

 

[Neonep]

Sure they do, but it's still a much better system than the SFV one that charges 6 bucks per character.

To SFV's credit I didn't spend a single penny on the 1st 6 DLC characters.

 

[Neonep]

We could talk more about stages, a mystery Capcom character and game modes. The ride isn't exactly over for three months. I understand why fans want to vent their feeling and being completely down on the game. We should try to stay positive and hope that they would deliver with the final product. Just do it with low expectations.

Yeah it's hard to be excited about this game for various reasons. Ever since the roster leak, it went down hill so fast. Also Capcom hasn't given us much information on this game at a good enough rate. Just look at the character reveals for MVC3 & SFV, those were big deals.

 

[Neoxon]

How on earth is Loading time and maintenance equivalent to "SFV is a total mess"? Yes it is an annoyance , but its far from total mess. That would be SFV at launch. While the maintenance time is definitely unacceptable by modern standards , I really dont think that not being able to play the game online for one random day is such a big deal.
Also I really dont think Loading times and input lag are ever gonna get fixed. Seems like a UE4 issue. I wish Capcom just stuck with MT Framework

And as for finding opponents , have you tried opening ports? I had that issue after the CFN update and I now get matches almost every few seconds. And This is with setting 5 bar limit on the connection.

I don't think the console version of SFIV used MT Framework, but rather Dimps' engine. But yeah, Capcom probably could have avoided those issues by going with MT Framework or, if it was ready at the time, the RE Engine.

 

[Newniverse]

We could talk more about stages, a mystery Capcom character and game modes. The ride isn't exactly over for three months. I understand why fans want to vent their feeling and being completely down on the game. We should try to stay positive and hope that they would deliver with the final product. Just do it with low expectations.

For sure! I'm still hopeful about the game. I know the majority of the board thinks this game will do poorly in sales but no worse than SFV, but I disagree. I still believe when people get their hands on the game, all the negativity will stop. I think even though Capcom has made many mistakes up to this point, they still have a lot riding on this fighter. True MVC fans are going to buy this no matter what. The casuals and such will be onboard when the positive speak outweighs the negative. Which I try my hardest now to speak positive or not at all.

 

[Frostinferno]

You win some (X-Men characters coming back to Marvel games), you lose some.

Gazillion is losing their rights to sell F4 characters and costumes with their contract renewal. This doesn't bode well for hopes of their addition as future DLC.

 

[Mr. Smiley]

You win some (X-Men characters coming back to Marvel games), you lose some.

Gazillion is losing their rights to sell F4 characters and costumes with their contract renewal. This doesn't bode well for hopes of their addition as future DLC.

Who even owns video game rights to F4?

 

[ev0]

Who owns video game rights to F4?

No one really. The F4 ban is arbitrary similar to the Xmen ban.

Gazillion signed their contact with Marvel way before any bans took place and they were able to use every character.

Obviously they reworked the contracts in the renewal. If they didn't lose the Xmen (yet?), that maybe is good sign to the rumors that the X guys arent off limits of MvCI dlc

 

[Turbanator]

Wow, just as Marvel has given up on the X-Men, it looks like they're actually doubling down on the F4 ban.

To anybody holding out hope for Dr. Doom as DLC, good luck.

Doesn't this also kill the rumors of the Darkstalkers vs Fantastic Four DLC

Spoiler

if you were dumb enough to believe that

?

 

[Mr. Smiley]

No one really. The F4 ban is arbitrary similar to the Xmen ban.

Gazillion signed their contact with Marvel way before any bans took place and they were able to use every character.

Obviously they reworked the contracts in the renewal. If they didn't lose the Xmen (yet?), that maybe is good sign to the rumors that the X guys arent off limits of MvCI dlc

I'm just baffled why F4. They don't have nearly the pop culture weight as Xmen so why even bother.

 

[vg260]

For sure! I'm still hopeful about the game. I know the majority of the board thinks this game will do poorly in sales but no worse than SFV, but I disagree. I still believe when people get their hands on the game, all the negativity will stop. I think even though Capcom has made many mistakes up to this point, they still have a lot riding on this fighter. True MVC fans are going to buy this no matter what. The casuals and such will be onboard when the positive speak outweighs the negative. Which I try my hardest now to speak positive or not at all.

I don't think casual fans are really going to go for this game even if the MvC fans speak positively of it. I just don't think it has the kind of hooks it needs for that, and that's not even considering everything external working against it now. I think an all-Marvel game would probably have much better chance at big casual success.

 

[ev0]

I'm just baffled why F4. They don't have nearly the pop culture weight as Xmen so why even bother.

true. But maybe that's why. Marvel knows theyd lose too much money if they canceled the Xmen comics, but they can be petty about the F4 and not be hit too hard financially.

Interesting thing about Marvel Heroes is that they DO get to keep Doom though (so hope for MvCI?)

 

[Neoxon]

Wow, just as Marvel has given up on the X-Men, it looks like they're actually doubling down on the F4 ban.

To anybody holding out hope for Dr. Doom as DLC, good luck.

Doesn't this also kill the rumors of the Darkstalkers vs Fantastic Four DLC

Spoiler

if you were dumb enough to believe that

?

Gazillion was allowed to keep Doctor Doom, so there's a glimmer of hope on that front.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Did Ryce, Sneaker, SaiykoBro and robot said F4 characters are coming next year? So I don't think we should worry about it.

 

[Turbanator]

Doom is only kept because he's the final boss of the game and would be way too much work to remove.

They removed and changed his default costume in Omega, though.

 

[Neoxon]

Did Ryce, Sneaker, SaiykoBro and robot said F4 characters are coming next year? So I don't think we should worry about it.

Ryce said X-Men & Fantastic Four explicitly, so maybe Capcom was able to nail down Doctor Doom (& maybe Super-Skrull) before Marvel doubled down on the F4 ban.

 

[Dahbomb]

No one wants the F4 anyway.

Give us Doom and Skrull, MAYBE Silver Surfer and Galactus. I don't care to play any individual member of F4 though it would be cool of they Captain Commando'd the F4 team and they were all one character.

 

[Neoxon]

No one wants the F4 anyway.

Give us Doom and Skrull, MAYBE Silver Surfer and Galactus. I don't care to play any individual member of F4 though it would be cool of they Captain Commando's the F4 team and they were all one character.

I think Doctor Doom & Super-Skrull are the main concern here.

 

[Frostinferno]

No one wants the F4 anyway.

Give us Doom and Skrull, MAYBE Silver Surfer and Galactus. I don't care to play any individual member of F4 though it would be cool of they Captain Commando'd the F4 team and they were all one character.

You're not getting Doom, Skrull, Surfer or Galactus with this nonsense if Capcom has to abide by the same licensing terms.

 

[PhoenixEgg]

And this is why I don't support Marvel on any of the characters they DEMAND that people like.

They can continue to miss me with MCU vs Capcom, their annoying comedy flicks, and all the rest.

What an annoying company.

 

[JAXXX]

Joey Cuellar @MrWiz

Will we have a 2 time champion? Only time will tell! #Evo2017

 

[christiankid7]

Well, they can't deny the ban anymore. So, might as well come out and say it.

I suppose in exchange for lifting the X-men ban, Marvel doubled down even harder (and more blatantly, I might add) on the F4.

Marvel, Fox doesn't need any help tanking the Four, they're doing a fantastic job on that themselves.

 

[Turbanator]

The F4 doesn't rake in cash like the X-brand does for Fox. Marvel technically still has some chance of forcing the license out of Fox's hands if the next film (due in like 2021 IIRC) bombs really bad.

They've simply given up on the X-brand, especially with the big successes of Deadpool and Apocalypse (Logan wasn't out when the ban ended, but I assume it only cemented Marvel's decision).

 

[sixteen-bit]

Joey Cuellar @MrWiz

Will we have a 2 time champion? Only time will tell! #Evo2017

Flocker 'bout to eat

 

[DR2K]

Flocker 'bout to eat

Nah RyanLV has this easy.

 

[christiankid7]

Once again, banning the F4 brings more attention to them than just leaving them alone. I suppose just keeping Gaz from releasing more F4 related characters would lack the impact since there's not much left they would choose from.

 

[IntelliHeath]

For sure! I'm still hopeful about the game. I know the majority of the board thinks this game will do poorly in sales but no worse than SFV, but I disagree. I still believe when people get their hands on the game, all the negativity will stop. I think even though Capcom has made many mistakes up to this point, they still have a lot riding on this fighter. True MVC fans are going to buy this no matter what. The casuals and such will be onboard when the positive speak outweighs the negative. Which I try my hardest now to speak positive or not at all.

I hope so. I really do. It's all depends on the reviews at the moment. It's up to Capcom to drop their ball or not.

No one wants the F4 anyway.

Give us Doom and Skrull, MAYBE Silver Surfer and Galactus. I don't care to play any individual member of F4 though it would be cool of they Captain Commando'd the F4 team and they were all one character.

Same here. I only care about Doom and Skrull. I hope that they would able to manage to get both in.

 

[Neoxon]

Honestly, Capcom could have waited until now to do that one "function" interview. Now that Gazillion is more open about it, Capcom could have fallen back on that as justification for being straight-up about the ban.

 

[christiankid7]

I hope so. I really do. It's all depends on the reviews at the moment. It's up to Capcom to drop their ball or not.



Same here. I only care about Doom and Skrull. I hope that they would able to manage to get both in.

Its possible that Capcom could sell that Doom and Skrull were already made, therefore they would not be much work, for a higher profit

 

[Pompadour]

Honestly, Capcom could have waited until now to do that one "function" interview. Now that Gazillion is more open about it, Capcom could have fallen back on that as justification for being straight-up about the ban.

I don't get the hate for Combofiend's "function" comment because he's mostly right. People didn't play Sentinel because people just couldn't get enough of sentinels in the X-Men comics or the 90's cartoon. They were fans because of how he played.

However, he did gloss over how people can play a character for gameplay reasons but then become attached to the character's design or personality. I didn't give a shit about Karin until SFV when I started playing her because she was kind of like Dudley. Now I really like her design and all the OHOHOHOs.

 

[Neoxon]

Its possible that Capcom could sell that Doom and Skrull were already made, therefore they would not be much work, for a higher profit

I recall there being a rumor about Silver Surfer as well, so maybe they got a hold of him before Marvel put their foot down on the F4 ban. But yeah, Doctor Doom & Super-Skrull already being made could be justification that Capcom could have used when asking Marvel for those two.

I don't get the hate for Combofiend's "function" comment because he's mostly right. People didn't play Sentinel because people just couldn't get enough of sentinels in the X-Men comics or the 90's cartoon. They were fans because of how he played.

However, he did gloss over how people can play a character for gameplay reasons but then become attached to the character's design or personality. I didn't give a shit about Karin until SFV when I started playing her because she was kind of like Dudley. Now I really like her design and all the OHOHOHOs.

I kinda fall under character loyalty whenever available, hence why I instantly went to Urien when he came out in SFV (I mained him in 2nd Impact & 3rd Strike) & why I went with Phoenix Wright in UMvC3.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

I don't get the hate for Combofiend's "function" comment because he's mostly right. People didn't play Sentinel because people just couldn't get enough of sentinels in the X-Men comics or the 90's cartoon. They were fans because of how he played.

However, he did gloss over how people can play a character for gameplay reasons but then become attached to the character's design or personality. I didn't give a shit about Karin until SFV when I started playing her because she was kind of like Dudley. Now I really like her design and all the OHOHOHOs.

You're speaking like a fighting game pro and aren't considering the casual audience.