I don't want anymore jaguar CPU console half-steps. You could put better CPU's in the Scorpio and Pro and probably see a decent jump in what can be done with them. Just wait until a decent CPU can be made that has a low enough power consumption that it can be feasible to put in a console form factor.
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Pachter: PS5 to be a half step, release in 2019 with PS4 BC
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Mr. Pointy
Member
Eh.
I don't think he's completely wrong. I think the point of contention comes from whether you would consider the PS5 a half-step compared to the vanilla PS4 or PS4 Pro.
November 2019 is 6 years from the PS4 launch. I don't think Sony would want another 7+ year generation. The best 7nm mid-high spec GPU from AMD at that time would probably be in the 10-12TF range. The CPU would be a lot better than Jaguar. RAM isn't going to be much more than 16GB.
I don't think he's completely wrong. I think the point of contention comes from whether you would consider the PS5 a half-step compared to the vanilla PS4 or PS4 Pro.
November 2019 is 6 years from the PS4 launch. I don't think Sony would want another 7+ year generation. The best 7nm mid-high spec GPU from AMD at that time would probably be in the 10-12TF range. The CPU would be a lot better than Jaguar. RAM isn't going to be much more than 16GB.
bitbydeath
Member
240fps sounds crazy but keep in mind Sony only needs to reach 120fps in order to obtain 240fps when talking VR.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Whenever it comes out it needs to have a desktop equivalent Ryzen CPU in it. No more of this netbook shit.
Hmmm....maybe I'm reading this wrong, but Matt seems to be implying there is some truth to this. 2019 would be six years and about time for a new generation. As long as that half step from the Pro includes a Ryzen I'm good.
Hmmm....maybe I'm reading this wrong, but Matt seems to be implying there is some truth to this. 2019 would be six years and about time for a new generation. As long as that half step from the Pro includes a Ryzen I'm good.
TransTrender
Gold Member
Fucking boo this man, boo!!!
This one? Not the Wii HD?
pixelation
Member
La lengua se le haga chicharron a Pachter!!!
Head.spawn
Junior Member
2019, so like 8-10 Tflops, 16GB RAM?
bryanee
Member
Say what now?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
A 1070 is only 6.5 teraflops. That would be absolutely pitiful for a new generation 2 years from now.
And Ryzen CPU.
bitbydeath
Member
I'd guess 10-12TF, 32GB.
Keep in mind the 2019 release would be 2 years and 4 months away if it were to release in Nov.
That's a long time for tech improvements.
20% of total sales since it launched in November.
I think one thing these discussions needs to clarify when talking about the power uplift is whether people are using the Pro or the Base model as the power baseline.
Using the Base, going from 1.8TF to 10TF is a 5.5x power increase, using the Pro it's a 2.3 increase, essentially making the 'PS5' the same power step up as the Pro (at least in GPU terms - this doesn't include any benefits using Ryzen or custom components bring).
PS3 - PS4 was 4.5x uplift on GPU, so if Sony are using the Base model as their starting point for PS5, a 10TF machine in 2019 isn't an outside bet, and again CPU improvements driven by VR (something I've mentioned previously as being a potentially major design consideration for PS5) mean that even a 10TF console will be significantly more flexible in power for devs than the 2.3x over the Pro specs indicate.
BigEmil
Junior Member
All I hope is Devs PLEASE focus on 1080p 60fps FUCK more pixels it's unecesessary waste of system resources which that can be used to enhance visuals (better draw distance, better visuals settings etc)
If I do get PS5 I'm only buying 1080p 60fps games day 1 brand new support it
While games that don't reach this I'll buy it later cheaper and used.
If I do get PS5 I'm only buying 1080p 60fps games day 1 brand new support it
While games that don't reach this I'll buy it later cheaper and used.
hanspampel
Banned
2019 would be early but possible.
Maybe the PS4 Pro will $249 then.
Pachter said it would be $249 at this year's E3 since he talks absolute bullshit.
http://www.gamezone.com/news/e3-201...e-drop-metroid-from-nintendo-and-more-3454344
Pachter said it would be $249 at this year's E3 since he talks absolute bullshit.
http://www.gamezone.com/news/e3-201...e-drop-metroid-from-nintendo-and-more-3454344
StrongBlackVine
Banned
They are not going back down to 1080p after the pushing for 4K. I don't even want to see a 1080p game right now.
Can i ask how? Wouldn't they be limited to same tech as xbx?
Well... Shit. PS5 confirmed for holiday 2019.
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
I would guess 2020 and a pretty hefty improvement under the hood. Sony and MS are deep in graphics warz at the moment and this is probably about the time that they're making crucial decisions regarding the direction to take with the PS5.
In other words, I think Pachter is right that there will be a PS5.
In other words, I think Pachter is right that there will be a PS5.
hanspampel
Banned
7nm should be ready im 2018
So maybe end of 2019 a reasonable cheap console SOC can be manufactured
But only if everything goes well.
Wouldn't surprise me if they release in 2020
Interesting
Not a tech guy so thanx
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Sure, a mid grade bolt on vs a full generational shift. Surely equal half steps.
Not a tech savvy, but considering how hard is to achieve 60fps on a console... 240 makes me think that the thing could cost well beyond the $399 virtual threshold.
Anyway, Im all for better framerate, if they do it right, for sure Ill be tempted to get one.
miller.skippins
Banned
i think in terms of GPU, the pro is pretty capable...and when paired with 'coding to the metal' 1st party console devs used, can be pretty incredible...so the GPU is not a problem. CPU is the bottleneck holding all the consoles (not just the .5 consoles) back. I think the CPU is the 1st thing Sony will upgrade so i dont think ps5 a 'half-step'. I don't think Sony will go back to using archaic CPU architecture so x86 will be a given. I don't think Sony will go with Intel as Intel's chips are way too expensive (and i don't think intel got an APU solution). So it's 99% confirmed back to AMD. So hopefully can produce a powerful and affordable enough Ryzen for the console makers to use. Let's not beat around the bush here...both MS and Sony chose Jaguar is because it's cheap. So i thin AMD will have to make Ryzen reasonable cheap enough before the console makers decided to jump full on to next gen.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
If Cerny hands are involved, I think it will be a leap not a half step for PS5
Maybe whenever PS5Pro releases in like 2023-2024 that will be the half step
Maybe whenever PS5Pro releases in like 2023-2024 that will be the half step
Angelus Errare
Banned
I imagine he said that thinking the XOX was gonna be $399, but when MS said $499 Sony no longer reason to drop the price of PS4Pro
TransTrender
Gold Member
New meme confirmed
It's pachter's tag. If he still posts here, I dunno.
mugurumakensei
Member
Hmm.
I'm guessing in terms of GPU power that's probably true. I expect a larger gap in CPU and RAM. Or I hope anyway.
nephilimdj
Member
This lines up with reports that Sony didnt show new games at E3 because of PS5, which does make me think PS5 is 2019/2020
Maybe in 2 years we will finally have games that push a 1070
Maybe in 2 years we will finally have games that push a 1070
jobrro
Member
Lol 240fps is as likely as it playing Xbox games.
Tyraniboah
Member
They can and they will lol. Releasing consoles every six years is a problem because games take at least half that time to be developed these days.
10tflops at 16GB RAM and 600GB/s with an 8 core Zen CPU(the baseline minimum i expect from PS5) is no small jump from base PS4, it can absolutely give a next generation experience without a doubt
He said that Sony's interpretation of console generations is a clean break in how developers make games from the previous generation and the console hardware, nothing about compatibility of software
He said that Sony's interpretation of console generations is a clean break in how developers make games from the previous generation and the console hardware, nothing about compatibility of software