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I think it's time to shed the idea that Street Fighter V is a bad game.
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Holy Order Sol
Member
My dislike for the game has nothing to do with it favoring offense. I'm not shedding shit.
Didn't fuck with IV either but V's way of addressing complaints about IV is the worst/most convoluted way every time and the game continues this downward trend of "make things slower and easier" that affects most of the genre these days, except it's the worst offender.
Didn't fuck with IV either but V's way of addressing complaints about IV is the worst/most convoluted way every time and the game continues this downward trend of "make things slower and easier" that affects most of the genre these days, except it's the worst offender.
Capcom as they push Marvel vs Capcom Infinite
you think they would have learned their lesson after X tekken actually.
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
Plenty of people still play Injustice, netherrealm fighters have a unique niche. Games like Tekken 7 have managed to appease both casual and hardcore fans and won't be irrelevant anytime soon. How do you figure that happened?🤔🤔🤔
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
This isn't going to happen. Because money, ironically enough. Check out the tags on those costume packs. There is ample evidence of Capcom having zero clues... it's non sequitur after non sequitur, like Ono popping a self-insert into that one reasonably solid 3DS franchise Capcom neglects, or something.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
My only real complaints about the game in its current state are the UI and Update system.
They're both fucking atrocious. I'm fine with the rest.
Edit. Also, Survival mode is still stupidity in how it generates its boosts post match.
They're both fucking atrocious. I'm fine with the rest.
Edit. Also, Survival mode is still stupidity in how it generates its boosts post match.
I played fighting games competitively since sf2.
And I can say without a doubt sf5 is fantastic
*Characters look great (sadly inconsistent *ken battle costume 😫
*Great OST
*Fantastic looking stages
*FM to unlock paid content
*Online portal and following known players is fun
Yes they need to fix some stuff specially that player one can control the rematch choice. I don't understand why this wasnt addresses yet.
SF5 is a product that is keeping getting better be it balance patches or content it is super exciting.
And I can say without a doubt sf5 is fantastic
*Characters look great (sadly inconsistent *ken battle costume 😫
*Great OST
*Fantastic looking stages
*FM to unlock paid content
*Online portal and following known players is fun
Yes they need to fix some stuff specially that player one can control the rematch choice. I don't understand why this wasnt addresses yet.
SF5 is a product that is keeping getting better be it balance patches or content it is super exciting.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
It's kind of like the Wii U in that the concept itself was terrible and impressions got worse once people got their hands on it, yeah.
I fundamentally disagree with this mentality. Without the game, the players wouldn't exist. The game allows the players to express themselves.
These might be the first valid complaints in the thread, IMO.
Agreed.
miller.skippins
Banned
the very fact that you kept harping on this meant that you still don't understand why casuals are complaining about SFV (and why it sold like shit). You CANNOT just force casuals to play online because there's no proper SP mode. And No, the survival is NOT THE SAME AS AN ARCADE MODE.
Who cares about that, they still haven't even fixed the biggest problem with the game.
GinoFelino
Member
Neah still the least exciting fighting game to watch
Loved USF4 and Third Strike is GOAT. But SF V is still just mediocre at best.
Loved USF4 and Third Strike is GOAT. But SF V is still just mediocre at best.
Facts-based opinions. Not bait. It seems you cannot discern the difference, so I'll just give you this little non-committed nibble, and leave you to your can of worms.
Bobo Dakes
Member
If it doesn't bother you, it doesn't bother you, but don't act like you don't see the issue people have with some of the designs.
TheTylerRob
Member
Believe it or not, there is a contingent of people that will blindly deny all of SFV's shortcoming no matter how obvious they are.
SFV is okay, the gameplay is way too 50/50 based, shimmys, throw loops and the lag make it feel like shit to play, the new characters are all bad and they've even butchered some fan favorites, but after 2 years it will have a lot of character variety, cool stages and it is still a pretty addictive grind online. Also it's really well balanced despite what the whiners say.
LordKasual
Banned
I actually really hate SFV as a fighting game
I want to love it, but the mechanics make the game frustrating as fuck to play competitively
I want to love it, but the mechanics make the game frustrating as fuck to play competitively
Any fighting game is hype at high level. That doesn't mean anything. I'm not going to say SFV is a terrible game because it isn't. But it doesn't have enough for me to want to play it and I like playing every single SF up to this point. For me, fixing it is easy. Just more of everything and add a new mechanic.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Yeah, it's definitely turned around since its launch but the stigma of the launch has lingered. It's the freshest SF has been since 3 and I find myself impressed with how adventurous they've been with it even in light of a lot of the backlash.
No, it doesn't have an arcade mode, and no, that doesn't make it a bad game. Much like Overwatch isn't a bad game for not having a single player campaign. So it's not for everyone, but it's time to put aside the notion that a game needs it in order to be valid.
No, it doesn't have an arcade mode, and no, that doesn't make it a bad game. Much like Overwatch isn't a bad game for not having a single player campaign. So it's not for everyone, but it's time to put aside the notion that a game needs it in order to be valid.
I didn't say people didn't play them but they aren't center stage at every major fighting tournament. Those games finals aren't broadcast on ESPN. For all the casual talk it's the Top fighting game in the fighting game community. As I said I think Capcom is happy with that. Might not have the initial sales as more casual friendly Fighters, but years to come it'll stay profitable.
Give War A Chance
Member
First impression this game made was atrocious; and this year so far has been great in gaming, including SFV's own genre, so I don't think people need to take time to go back and play a hot mess that Capcom wiped up sloppily with a single paper towel when they have so many other great games to be playing.
EVO was great, but that doesn't make SFV great. Majority of gamers don't play at an EVO level, or anything even remotely approaching it, so attempting to use EVO as some reason for the majority of gamers to give it another chance is not really a great idea.
EVO was great, but that doesn't make SFV great. Majority of gamers don't play at an EVO level, or anything even remotely approaching it, so attempting to use EVO as some reason for the majority of gamers to give it another chance is not really a great idea.
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
I miss ultras. I love the V-Trigger/V-Skill system, but it's application makes the game too predictable.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I love SFV so much more than SFIV.
Yeah it has problems but me and friends play every weak and we have so much fun .
Yeah it has problems but me and friends play every weak and we have so much fun .
Shitpost
I'm not a casual so I can't really speak to that, but doesn't it make sense that casuals would want a decent story mode? I know if I was a casual, I'd want that far more than arcade mode. Granted, I think they should ABSOLUTELY add one, but... is anyone really on the fence because they can't jump into an arcade mode, in a game that's never been released in arcades?
Grow the fuck up and stop trolling. Nobody actually gives a shit about Ken's face.Who cares about that, they still haven't even fixed the biggest problem with the game.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Gameplay is solid, it's just ugly.
It's never been a bad game. I would even argue it's been a great game since season 1. SFV has been and even continues to be a disappointing product, but the part between the annoucer saying "Fight" and "KO" (the important part) has been as good as fighting games get and Evo 2017 was a great illustration of that fact.
In fact yeah.
I know someone who is like, "cool character trailers. when's arcade mode?" "Oh, story mode looks aight. Still haven't played it bc no arcade mode."
SENPAIatLARGE
Banned
The only reason SFV is on ESPN is because of the capcom name (and probably a Sony brand deal) not the games quality. Tekken 7 will outsell SFV and the scene is growing larger. Tekken 7 will be at every tournament from here on out. Capcom can only rest on its laurels for so long.
GinoFelino
Member
Jaded Alyx
Member
It was never a bad game.
Avatar quote all you want.
Avatar quote all you want.
7DollarHagane
Banned
You can't stop the Capcom hate internet mob. This game will forever be trash to them.
Evo finals were awesome this year and show what a great game it is at high level play. People crying about "content" but too afraid to go online and play against people.. lol.
People afraid to go online because they think everyone's a killer but the truth is they just can't learn to adapt or block anything so they blame the game.
Evo finals were awesome this year and show what a great game it is at high level play. People crying about "content" but too afraid to go online and play against people.. lol.
People afraid to go online because they think everyone's a killer but the truth is they just can't learn to adapt or block anything so they blame the game.
captmcblack
Member
The core gameplay is great, IMHO.
If I could change anything in the gameplay, it'd be to fix stubby normals/awkward hitboxes and get the battle to be less about fishing for crush counter to min-max damage and more about creativity in fighting. Past SF games were better about this.
The modes and presentation are still lacking, but I assume Capcom was chasing them esports bucks and didn't give a fuck about single player, casual players, or longtime/veteran players (who would've wanted the footsies/hitboxes and such to be more akin to what they've usually been). Meh.
I still dig SFV. Honestly, I think half of the hating on it comes from it skipping the XB1 entirely, and the rest of it comes from ppl just riding with the mob hating (and mysteriously still playing the game anyway, lol).
If I could change anything in the gameplay, it'd be to fix stubby normals/awkward hitboxes and get the battle to be less about fishing for crush counter to min-max damage and more about creativity in fighting. Past SF games were better about this.
The modes and presentation are still lacking, but I assume Capcom was chasing them esports bucks and didn't give a fuck about single player, casual players, or longtime/veteran players (who would've wanted the footsies/hitboxes and such to be more akin to what they've usually been). Meh.
I still dig SFV. Honestly, I think half of the hating on it comes from it skipping the XB1 entirely, and the rest of it comes from ppl just riding with the mob hating (and mysteriously still playing the game anyway, lol).
Too bad, I care. Did I hurt your feelings by insulting something about your favorite game? :[[
There's a problem when SFIV Ken looks better than SFV lol, and nah I'll be complaining until they fix that mess.
TheTylerRob
Member
Yeah he definitely needs to grow up, who does he think he is joking about a popular opinion? /s
Interficium
Banned
The FGC has had such a weird fucking relationship with capcom and street fighter ever since SFIV. The majority of them complain loudly that SFV is total hot garbage compared to other fighting games, but then continue to only play SFV.
Agree to disagree.
Your bolded especially is where I am not in the same boat with you. You think the game is fun to play, and after the first month I found the game absolutely dull to play.
There is just much funner games with better mechanics that are worth time investment in this day and age, and a lot more around the corner.
If you haven't tried to learn and spend time with games like Guilty Gear Xrd, Injustice 2, and my personal favorite, Tekken 7, then that may be why you think this game is still "good" or "fun" to play.
For myself Tekken 7 is like when I first got Street Fighter 4 back in '09. So much to learn that it was like a new language to master and I knew nothing. I appreciate all of what it has to offer to learn, I love how the combo system works, I love it visually, I love its soundtrack, and I not only love to watch it but also play it.
This was the first EVO where I watched about no pool play from SF5, and I didn't even finish up to grand finals for SF5 when I could have. I had 0 interest in watching SF in general this year, but I saw all the Tokido hype and there was a Gief in top 8. I think Tokido is a fantastic person and player so I viewed for a little there, and I think Gief is the only character that I enjoy watching in SF5 at all.
Tekken on the other hand this year I rarely ever watched, and I sat through all of pool play and finals on the edge of my seat. I was learning as I watched, the commentary was hype, the skill level on display was through the roof, and we got to see JDCR cry and shake from winning to prove he is not a robot.
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TLR - SF5 isn't fun for me to play and is rarely fun to watch. It is a couple iterations away from me caring, and OP I encourage you to try other fighters out there right now to maybe come to the same conclusion that in this day and age SF5 is slacking where other fighters are delivering that didn't before.
Your bolded especially is where I am not in the same boat with you. You think the game is fun to play, and after the first month I found the game absolutely dull to play.
There is just much funner games with better mechanics that are worth time investment in this day and age, and a lot more around the corner.
If you haven't tried to learn and spend time with games like Guilty Gear Xrd, Injustice 2, and my personal favorite, Tekken 7, then that may be why you think this game is still "good" or "fun" to play.
For myself Tekken 7 is like when I first got Street Fighter 4 back in '09. So much to learn that it was like a new language to master and I knew nothing. I appreciate all of what it has to offer to learn, I love how the combo system works, I love it visually, I love its soundtrack, and I not only love to watch it but also play it.
This was the first EVO where I watched about no pool play from SF5, and I didn't even finish up to grand finals for SF5 when I could have. I had 0 interest in watching SF in general this year, but I saw all the Tokido hype and there was a Gief in top 8. I think Tokido is a fantastic person and player so I viewed for a little there, and I think Gief is the only character that I enjoy watching in SF5 at all.
Tekken on the other hand this year I rarely ever watched, and I sat through all of pool play and finals on the edge of my seat. I was learning as I watched, the commentary was hype, the skill level on display was through the roof, and we got to see JDCR cry and shake from winning to prove he is not a robot.
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TL
R - SF5 isn't fun for me to play and is rarely fun to watch. It is a couple iterations away from me caring, and OP I encourage you to try other fighters out there right now to maybe come to the same conclusion that in this day and age SF5 is slacking where other fighters are delivering that didn't before.Tallshortman
Member
I can see you haven't been here long. Take the edgy angst elsewhere.
A large part is that it's the main game in Evo with the highest entrants and the most viewers. Capcom's "name" isn't worth anything to ESPN, the fact you think it's why it's on ESPN instead of Tekken or some other game could not be more wrong.
There are some legit criticisms in this post. The 50/50 based thing is an issue, and it can be some bullshit to lose 1/2 of your health due to a 50/50. I'm not a huge 3rd Strike player, but I do know that there are similarities. I've seen some amazing borderline one touch kills with Makoto and Yun. As far as the lag is concerned... I don't see it? Especially after finally switching to my PC monitor w/1ms lag. I thought they patched that mostly?
Also, Kolin and Ed are fun. Let's not forget that the "ugh the new players suck" complaint was happening during SF3 and SFIV, and we all know that there's a dedicated group of fans that love those characters now.
If you don't want to play a game exclusively due to the way a character looks, that's your problem. I'm not saying it shouldn't be better, because it should, but that it's a poor excuse to not play a game at all.
Gunslinger
Member
This thread is not going to end well. I think SFV with bit more tweaking can be a really great game. Same level as USFIV, ST or 3S.