I'm with ya'...but switch up Return of the Jedi and TFA.
Also...Kylo Ren was an awful character, I thought.
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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story is up on US Netflix
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I'm with ya'...but switch up Return of the Jedi and TFA.
Also...Kylo Ren was an awful character, I thought.
LurkerPrime
Member
Just saw it and... yeah. Might as well.
It's kinda like they made two different movies and then glued them togehter, messily, in the middle. The first half is desperately searching for a foundation that the second half delivers. The overall theme is really great, but its delivery is weakened by the makeshift nature of the movie.
Like, I adored the overall message it was trying to convey, however outside of Baze and the cameos, everything was either forgettable or super forced. The best moments never felt earned.
Lots of reshoots and changes during production. You could tell from how messy the first half was especially with how characters act completely differently from one scene to another. The second half was pretty much the best thing.
It has a really fulfilling ending especially if you care about the characters. I kinda wish the fake spoiler that was going the week of release around here and reddit about
was true though.
Vader slaughtering all the main characters horror movie style and watching the remaining rebel soldiers escape as the final shot goes to black
LurkerPrime
Member
Regardless of his competence I find him more compelling than budget Vader and knock-off Tarkin, with a better performance by Mendelsohn than Driver or Gleeson.
I posted my review of this in this month's Movies You've Seen Recently thread, but I have to say that between this and TFA, it's clear to me know that Lucasfilm has no interest in doing anything with this series on film that they haven't already done before. It's so disappointing given just how good a job of making this galaxy so big in the OT and, yes, even the prequels, that they're hellbent on making it smaller and smaller.
MiloHoffman
Member
He is! I was saying this in every thread opening week. Him and K2 are quite possibly the most interesting characters of the movie. Krennic is probably the least evil and maybe the most relatable of any of these Star Wars Antagonists. I know everyone really like Chirrut and maybe even Baze but eh, they're not interesting characters, just interesting concepts that are severely and criminally underused.
All the same I have a lot of complaints about Rogue One but I'm not gonna deny the last 3rd of the movie is pretty good. (Yeah I agree on skipping until that part too)
You know, when you're using the same arguments that people use in defense of Dragon Ball GT or to prop it up, you're probably doing something wrong lol
linko9
Member
Just finished it. It's obvious the Rebels have the upper hand, the Empire's putzing around with giant-ass hard drives to store individual files, and the Rebels can store all that on a CompactFlash (TM) card. If either of them develops internet that can go through a forcefield, galactic domination is ensured.
That movie was very bad. Everything seemed forced (lol hehe get it). From the moment that preposterous robot started talking I could not stop rolling my eyes. It looked good though (except the PS4-level semi-humans).
That movie was very bad. Everything seemed forced (lol hehe get it). From the moment that preposterous robot started talking I could not stop rolling my eyes. It looked good though (except the PS4-level semi-humans).
Bobby Roberts
Banned
...jesus
Like, the take from the guy who didn't even see the movie might have been better than this.
TFA , RTJ >>>> R1.Good strong characters are worth more than a mediocre action story.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Haven't seen it since it was in theaters.
Still sucks, IMO. Bummer, I wanted to like it more on second viewing. This movie is just.... not good. I think it's harder to swallow because it takes itself so seriously, and it looks pretty slick, at least with its establishing shots.
Still sucks, IMO. Bummer, I wanted to like it more on second viewing. This movie is just.... not good. I think it's harder to swallow because it takes itself so seriously, and it looks pretty slick, at least with its establishing shots.
ThisIsMyDogKyle
Banned
wat? obvious at times? sure. PS4 level? lmfao.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Then why do you have Return of the Jedi up that high?
Nobody in Return of the Jedi but Luke and Palpatine is doing anything noteworthy or interesting.
I'm not disagreeing. But thats still worth more than a cast that have zero motivation or actual character to them at all. At least the characters in Return are noteworthy, established, and we care about them.
Lupin the Third
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It's not on US Netflix, only Rogue One and the CG Clone Wars series are.
That explains it.
CitizenCope
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One of my favorite Star Wars movies. I only saw it a month ago but I'm ready to see it again.
Jeez now you're bringing in entirely unrelated franchises in here to defend shitting on TFA? I mean what does Dragonball GT have to do with anyhthing?
Davey Cakes
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I wasn't the biggest fan of R1 but c'mon, if someone didn't make it to the theater then it's a pretty nice title to have on instant streaming. As much as I liked Civil War, it has plenty of detractors. In the end, both movies are must-see in the "form your own opinion" sense.
Having big Disney movies on Netflix really increases the value, even if the oversll catalog sometimes seeks lackluster.
cat litter
Member
I liked how the main cast seemed less goody two shoes than Finn & Rey. Im a sucker for the band of misfits vibe though. And the robot was funny.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You've gone where I can't follow, Mr. Frodo.
Most of the performances in Rogue One are better, too.
(which is fucking amazing considering the guy who got most of em is the guy who wasted 98% of his cast in Godzilla)
Well Edwards wasn't fired when filming Rogue One so....
Shrug, 2 characters who are actual characters and who have motivation is two more than rogue one (and I would argue The rest of the characters also trump the cast of rogue 1 as well).
Agree to disagree.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Rogue One is fantastic. Complete hyperbole around the characters (they're perfectly fine), and the cinematography and battle sequences are the best in the entire series.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
There's a difference between their not having motivation and your not liking the motivation provided. I'm not saying you have to like it of course, the reaction to the execution is gonna vary, obviously.
But the motivations of Krennic, Bodhi, Cassian, Baze & Chirrut are all pretty clearly/cleanly established. The motivations of Jyn are muddied, absolutely. Her character is shown to basically do whatever a father figure says she should do, so that motivation ends up seeming flimsy in the final accounting.
Since you called out Return of the Jedi as a comparison, the motivations of Han, Leia, Chewie, & Lando (even Vader) are just kinda/sorta stated, and then they go do stuff (or stand around and watch until it's their turn to do stuff). Which is reductive, but then again, their actions are mostly perfunctory. Add to the fact none of their characters really act like their characters but more like shorthanded sitcom versions of their characters, and it seems more like what's happening is all the heavy lifting Empire Strikes Back did is substituting for the work that's not being done in Jedi.
But that's always been Jedi's biggest handicap, aside from basic nostalgia and that last half hour coalescing as well as it does: It drafts hard off Empire Strikes Back's goodwill and impact. It freely depletes that investment and goodwill, and almost runs it dry before that last half hour hits the nitro and rockets to the end with just enough left in the tank to hit the teddy bear barbecue.
Rogue One doesn't have that handicap, so I could see where a direct comparison might cause it to fall short for some people. but for me, even with that handicap removed - there are better performances from characters who, even though thinly sketched (by necessity, really) still make an easy to understand, easy to read, easy to follow, easy to invest in impression on an audience, thanks to the strength of the actors essaying them.
Return of the Jedi is about 90 minutes of wheel spinning and place setting, and 30 minutes of a great sequel to Empire Strikes Back. Rogue One is a better-than-average men on a mission movie that leads to the best 30 minutes of prequel storytelling the series has gotten by a wide margin, and (I still believe this) the single best battle in the entire series.
Seductivpancakes
Member
People really comparing PS4 visuals with Rogue One?
If the Rebels had the upper hand
If the Rebels had the upper hand
they wouldn't have been massacred now wouldn't they?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
What's funny about the PS4 comparisons is that they've always been glib bullshit, but 2017 is the year where console gaming finally caught up to 1995 CGI, an achievement that's been promised we'd get for almost 20 years now.
People are saying Tarkin & Leia (wonky mouths and all) look like a PS4 game, and PS4 games are only just now managing to finally replicate Toy Story 1.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It must have been a while since you saw Toy Story. The lighting and materials in that are about as primitive as it gets.
Speaking of materials, today's AAA games are better than 2007 film CGI on that front. Hell, PS4 launch window materials beat 2007 CGI.
And the most low-effort background NPC in Horizon: Zero Dawn looks better than Andy by a lot.
DeadlyParasite
Member
Eh, watched it yesterday. Pretty much exemplifies my current disinterest in Disney StarWars. At least the space battles seemed a tad bit more like the original trilogy than the monotonous CGI-laden mess that was the battle at the end of the Force Awakens.
And I still can't figure out why they stuff in CGI aliens when they spend so much effort to create actual real props and set-pieces. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
And I still can't figure out why they stuff in CGI aliens when they spend so much effort to create actual real props and set-pieces. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
What, did you expect lil' X-wing models being blown up with firecrackers?
NHarmonic.
Member
I agree. Though i really think it works, the end was powerful anyway imo.