SomedayTheFire
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BB was my first Souls game and I thought the beginning was a fantastic way to introduce the games concepts.
Witcher 3 bored me to tears after I played Bloodborne. Seemed like nothing ever happened in that game and the combat was garbage. Every time I booted the game felt like I was forcing myself to play through it.You are right OP.
I just kept playing because neogaf told me the game was amazing. Well, the game will become better and better until you fall addicted to it.
But it's a fact: the beggining is terrible for people who never played this games before.
The story is shit too. Forget about it. It wasn't made to make sense and the way it's presented is terrible. I needed a guide to comprehend what I was supposed to understand.
Anyway, it's the best gameplay of the generation. However I prefer witcher3 as the game of generation. Bloodborne was my GOTG until recently.
Witcher 3 bored me to tears after I played Bloodborne. Seemed like nothing ever happened in that game and the combat was garbage. Every time I booted the game felt like I was forcing myself to play through it.
And lol @ your Bloodborne story comments. Too deep for you? You realize you're in the minority, right, and that Soulsborne storytelling depends on your attention and investigating since it doesn't rely on cutscenes to tell the whole story.
Bloodborne was my first Souls game and I didn't die until Gascoigne. I don't know man...wasnt too hard for me.
Try and go up the right side maybe?
Perhaps you should consider increasing your skills.
Good point. I also played it like was dks, dks2, des all of that games i platined on the ps3. Be aggressiv u are the Hunter ripost and slay all of them.the mechanic is quiet a different for victory. Once u learnt that, its so fuckIng good.Are you trying to play it like you play Dark Souls?
You mean at the corridor? Lol obviously I'm going there all the time. Running into 10 people seems like a bad idea.
I'd be happy if that would replace git gud. Seems more polite and less condescending somehow.
You are right OP.
I just kept playing because neogaf told me the game was amazing. Well, the game will become better and better until you fall addicted to it.
But it's a fact: the beggining is terrible for people who never played this games before.
The story is shit too. Forget about it. It wasn't made to make sense and the way it's presented is terrible. I needed a guide to comprehend what I was supposed to understand.
Anyway, it's the best gameplay of the generation. However I prefer witcher3 as the game of generation. Bloodborne was my GOTG until recently.
Souls fans are so quick to blame everything on the player is hilarious. Yeah I played through DS in NG++ but I guess i just suck at souls games.
If you played through DS on NG++ and can't get past the first area in Bloodborne, then this really just confirms that you're playing the game in a way that is too similar to Souls. Don't forget Bloodborne is a lot more footsies-based and aggressive. The moment you get corned in this game you'll die. Don't allow it, and try to make use of the Rally mechanic.
Also, have you noticed that you can one shot kill a lot of those mobs in the first area with one charged R2 attack?
Time to use the ax. Two hand it, use the fully charged heavy attack. Even those big assholes will be sent flying, and it'll refill most rally instantly.
Honestly, the difficulty curve of bloodborne is pretty funky. The beginning is just so much harder than most/all of the base game, and it's kinda weird. Not only are you underpowered, but you're also outnumbered and unable to buy supplies or level. Papa G is also the first mandatory boss and I don't think he does a good job at teaching the basics. He even does things that you will never see again until the DLC (such as reading people's panic rolls after they get knocked down). He is crazy easy to burst down/parry but will kill you in only a few hits. Rush/lucky parry him before he can do anything super dangerous and you will win without any understanding of the fight at al. He teaches offense at the expense of all else and not much else. Personally, I feel that's not a good lesson to teach newbie and it comes back to bite people towards the end. Compared to the slower and easier intros of other souls games it's just kind of jarring.
Bloodborne is one of my favorite games of all time but it needs to work on that difficulty curve.
You can easily take out all enemies near the bonfire. Its not super easy but if you take it slow you can kill them all.
OP:
If you are walking towards the bonfire hit the ridge/stairs on the right next to some carriage where a gun toting enemy is sleeping. If you carry on that ledge you will have to fight about three enemies. While doing that a smaller group near the bonfire will start to walk to the big guy with the axe in the beginning, so you can ignore them.
Then jump down and kill the dogs behind the carriages. Then run up to the guy on top of the wall, who is shooting at you. Kill him.
When you get to the area where the big guy is banging on the wall, go straight ahead and roll through some breakable boxes. You will jump down and be near a few dogs, kill them. Go left and run towards a house with a single door. Open it and go outside the next door straight ahead. Go up the stairs and unlock the shortcut to the lantern.
Then just take it from there. If you go back into the dark house, go up the stairs and hang left. Run past the three crows and one big guy and there is your insight. After doing that you can lvl up.
I hope if you follow this advice you can get past this first part.
General tips:
-Your dodges have invincibility frames, use them wisely.
-Attacking an enemy after losing health gives you back some health.
-Shoot an enemy just before an attack hits you to make them stagger, stand very close to them and hit R1 for a visceral attack.
Damnit, now you got me wanting to play BB again OP!
Also, yeah this aint your grandpa's Dark Souls ^_^
In truth the first slice of Bloodborne is pretty punishing for what it is, you can't level up until you beat the first boss (and you can easily end up taking a turn to the second boss instead before even meeting this guy) and it throws a lot more enemies at you than any Dark Souls intro complete with mobs'n'dogs and sniper joe over there taking rather potent potshots.
Add in the "I keep dying" frustration mistakes and you've got yourself the recipe for getting killed a fair amount, especially if you're coming from a Dark Souls title where the idea of being more passive in the early goings is probably ingrained into some players.
I don't think he should be messing with the wolves this early if he's having problems with the dogs.
Booted up the game again for a session thanks to this thread. Lets see if anyone needs some help anywhere ( or maybe invade someone hehe )
Honestly I think this is one of my fav games of all time.
I actually thought Demon souls was so easy that it was legit boring.I don't even think the entire game is any fun. Sorry, Gaf.
It's just compared to the start in DS you have to go through all that bs. In DS you either go down the catacombs and learn that that's not the way to go or land at the Undead Burg anyway. And there you fight some scarcely, remotely well paced/placed enemies until you get to the first Bonfire there, and if it's too hard because you're new or something you can just go to the first bonfire again and level up once after a few fights.
That corrdior in BB is just offputting af with it's 15 people, roaming, hiding or standing there but totally seeing you from miles away even when you're on high ground and trying to get past them without being seen. At least 3 of them chase me up there no matter where I walk. It's tedious af compared to DS, and the fact so many here advise me to just run past everything and get an item from an optional boss so i can invest the xp "in a quick way" is kinda telling. Thanks for ther advice though, appreciate the effort.
I mean I managed to fight the damn wolf thing at the beginning barehanded and beat the crap out of it. It's just that the starting area is unusually tedious stuff for a Miyazaki game and I'm surprised how offputting it is for me.
Again i beat he crap out of the first big wolf, the first enemy in the game, barehanded. I'm doing fine combat wise as soon It's a 1n1 situation where I had enough time to read the attack animations.
Glad to hear my thread did something positive for someone though!
What lack of being able to level? I remember being able to level up like 20 minutes into the game or so. Even before fighting against the Clerical Beast.I agree it has a poor beginning segment, added to with the lack of being able to level.
Dude, you're getting waaay defensive. You yourself said that when you try to pull with pebbles, the whole group comes like you insulted their families. That happens rarely if ever once you learn what you're doing. With practice, you don't even need pebbles; you can body pull.
And you keep talking about finding some obscure item in some obscure location or whatever. No. You just need to see the first boss, which you'll stumble to by just moving on in the game.
And we know you're good at DaS, but BB doesn't play the same. You get an abundance of stamina, dodge iframes, and quick stamina recovery to run / roll past everything on your way to finding shortcuts or the first boss.
Why not look up a guide or a playthrough? Or better yet, post in the OT? Plenty of hunters in there willing to help with advice or lend a blade for a tough battle.
And if you're still having trouble pulling one or two at a time, switch to axe, which has super armor when charged up and hits real
hard.
Good luck, OP.
You don't have to beat the boss. You just need 1 insight, which you can get by meeting the boss or consuming a madmans knowledge.Also, Cleric beast is optional, technically father gascoigne is the first boss.
A good tip for you OP, try to fight one of them at a time. Doesn't matter how many you aggro'd, just attack one at a time. Never step into two or more enemies' attacking range, you are not ready for that. You only see people do that because they are good.
Bloodborne's combat (and Souls combat) isn't about what you can see, it's about what you can't see. Such as the attack range of the enemy and the timing of your dodge. If you can ''see'' them then you can pretty much overcome all of the challenge in the game.
Remember, NEVER attack recklessly, think before you do.
Practice a bit with your weapons, memorize the R1 and the R2 attacks of both transformed and untransformed mode (you can press L1 to transform your weapon) of your favorite weapon. Compare them, what attack you want to use and what disadvantage it'll have in different situation?
There's a reason why they give each weapon TWO R1 attacks and TWO R2 attacks (transformed and untransformed.), they have functions, it's not just for show, each attack has its strength and weakness. Find out what works the best for you.
If you use the R1 combo of the folded Saw Cleaver on the mobs, then it's gonna deliever very good DPS (damage per second) on a single enemy, however, it won't hit multiple enemies as it has very limited range. So that means you should only use that attack when you are facing enemy 1 on 1, never use it on multiple opponents because it won't be effective at all and would likely get you killed.
Same goes to the two handed L2 of the Hunter's Axe, it's has good range and decent damage but once you miss the enemy you leave yourself exposed for a second, so that means you might not want to use it against something that's fast and vicious.
Last, practice with the timing of your dodge. Bloodborne only have 2 shields in the game and they are completely shit against physical attacks, so dodging is your best defense.
Tip: Dodge at the last second, ususally right before the enemy is about to hit you. Never panic dodge, if you dodge as soon as the enemy is about to attack then you will get hit pretty much 99% of the time. (Unless they miss for some reason)
As you can see in this gif, the player dodge to the left just right before the beast hit him, and the invincible frame allows the player to pass right through the claw of the beast without taking any damage.
Also, if you press R1 right after dodging to the left, right or back when locked on to an enemy, It will perform a different attack than your usual R1. This is called the ''dodging R1'', which your character will automatically steps forward more than usual during the attack animation, as shown in the gif right after the left dodge.
This attack is very useful but it can also get you killed, as you are literally walking into enemy's attack range, so try to use it smartly.
I suggest you find a single mob enemy to test this out, lock on to him and then dodge to the left, right or back, and then press R1 right after the dodge. Try to get the feel of it.
The start of Bloodborne and how I'm freaking awful at it
Are there any madmans knowledge pickups before these two bosses?
Good point in the spoiler there but I'd definitely recommend someone having trouble to tackle the beast first before Papa G puts them through one heck of a learning experience.
People are just going to say "git good" but honestly the first stretch of Bloodborne until the Cleric Beast turned me off of the game for a while, and this is coming from someone that had beaten Dark Souls 1 and 2. It's a very long segment and the werewolves near the boss are really tough until you get used to them due to how hard they hit and how much punishment they can take. There's tons of shortcuts through the game but to my knowledge there's none that let you get to the Cleric Beast any easier from the first lamp. Sure once you're skilled you can get through it no problem but for someone getting used to the game it's a really challenging section and unlike later parts of the game your only options are either beat the Cleric Beast or take out the even tougher Father Gascoigne. (Although I actually found him way easier then the Cleric Beast) Later on the game opens up quite a bit and if one area is giving you a hard time there's other areas that you can check out so you can level up a bit while still making progress through the game. But Bloodborne gives you a a massive roadblock almost instantly in the game and locks the entire rest of the game behind it. Sure you can just run past everything but for new players running past them means that you don't get blood to level up and have a better chance against the boss so until they just get impatient killing the torch dudes for the 50th time they're probably going to keep killing them so they can buy more vials and moltovs to help with the Werewolves and the boss.
Challenge is one thing but I just think it was a mistake putting such a massive test of skill so early in the game and giving the player no other real options besides just beating it. Again the rest of the game doesn't have this issue since there's usually plenty of shortcuts that makes travelling back to the bosses not as tedious and if something is really giving you grief it can be put off so I think it's a problem that the very beginning of the game where people are trying out the game they aren't given those luxuries.
If you try to turtle in Bloodborne you're going to die.
Period.
The game rewards you for being greedy, aggressive and taking chances.
Doesn't just finding a Madman's Knowledge and consuming it, let you level? Don't even need to see a boss. There's 1 that's on the way to a shortcut and a very useful item for the first mandatory boss.
Sorry op I'm bad at souls games I didn't even figure out how to equip a weapon at first trying to punch demon dog to death ... And even I cringed at your post .... You didn't find any shortcuts at all ?