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Ready Player One - SDCC Teaser

Looks pretty fun and dumb. That's all it is, no need to get upset.

I like the idea of making it more about late 80s early 90s characters though. It makes sense in a VR world people would use pop culture avatars.

The thing is, if I was in an immersive virtual world like the one depicted in the book, I'd probably want a Delorean and a Firefly class spaceship too, so it's hard for me to knock the references. There's some other stuff in there that's way more questionable though.

I don't get how some people have trouble understanding that, take some current examples
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thats not even getting into ridiculous stuff like 2nd life.
So honestly anything of significant size or depth would have stuff like that or at the very least decent knockoffs.

It actually sells me on the entire thing incredibly well.
If I was in a virtual world and could get or make any car it would absolutely be something like a Batmobile, Delorean, Ecto-1, etc.(heck even the Ford Explorer from Jurassic Park)
 
Standing on the left side of the runway was my battle-worn X-wing fighter. Parked on the right side was my DeLorean. Sitting on the runway itself was my most frequently used spacecraft, the Vonnegut. Max had already powered up the engines, and they emitted a low, steady roar that filled the hangar. The Vonnegut was a heavily modified Firefly-class transport vessel, modeled after the Serenity in the classic Firefly TV series. The ship had been named the Kaylee when I'd first obtained it, but I'd immediately rechristened it after one of my favorite twentieth-century novelists. Its new name was stenciled on the side of its battered gray hull. I'd looted the Vonnegut from a cadre of Oviraptor clansmen who had foolishly attempted to hijack my X-wing while I was cruising through a large group of worlds in Sector Eleven known as the Whedonverse.

So I suppose people are posting the worst examples... r-r-right??

I mean, that not only it isn't good, it isn't even readable. Sentences upon sentences of culture pop references, the ratio between references and actual conveyed information of what's truly happening is like 3:1.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
So I suppose people are posting the worst examples... r-r-right??

I mean, that not only it isn't good, it isn't even readable. Sentences upon sentences of culture pop references, the ration between references and actual conveyed information of what's truly happening is like 3:1.

Oh it gets worse

”I would argue that masturbation is the human animal's most important adaptation. The very cornerstone of our technological civilization. Our hands evolved to grip tools, all right—including our own. You see, thinkers, inventors, and scientists are usually geeks, and geeks have a harder time getting laid than anyone. Without the built-in sexual release valve provided by masturbation, it's doubtful that early humans would have ever mastered the secrets of fire or discovered the wheel. And you can bet that Galileo, Newton, and Einstein never would have made their discoveries if they hadn't first been able to clear their heads by slapping the salami (or "knocking a few protons off the old hydrogen atom"). The same goes for Marie Curie. Before she discovered radium, you can be certain she first discovered the little man in the canoe."
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
faceless007's intuition was correct. Cline can't really write. He just drops references and hopes you can piece together what he's trying to say from them. Kind of like deciphering hieroglyphics, except instead of "squiggly line, man kneeling, bird, man standing, bale of wheat", the symbols are pop culture reference.

Armada said:
In that moment, I felt like Luke Skywalker surveying a hangar full of A-, Y-, and X-Wing Fighters just before the Battle of Yavin. Or Captain Apollo, climbing into the cockpit of his Viper on the Galactica's flight deck. Ender Wiggin arriving at Battle School. Or Alex Rogan, clutching his Star League uniform, staring wide-eyed at a hangar full of Gunstars.

But this wasn't a fantasy. I wasn't Buck Rogers or Flash Gordon or Ender Wiggin or anyone else. This was real life. My life. I, Zackary Ulysses Lightman, an eighteen-year-old kid from Beaverton, Oregon, newly recruited by the Earth Defense Alliance, had just been reunited with my long-lost father on the far side of the moon— and now, together, we were about to wage a desperate battle to prevent the destruction of Earth and save the human race from total annihilation.
 
faceless007's intuition was correct. Cline can't really write. He just drops references and hopes you can piece together what he's trying to say from them. Kind of like deciphering hieroglyphics, except instead of "squiggly line, man kneeling, bird, man standing, bale of wheat", the symbols are pop culture reference.

Hey, I work in Beaverton, Oregon! What a great book this must be.
 
faceless007's intuition was correct. Cline can't really write. He just drops references and hopes you can piece together what he's trying to say from them. Kind of like deciphering hieroglyphics, except instead of "squiggly line, man kneeling, bird, man standing, bale of wheat", the symbols are pop culture reference.

Not even Family Guy drops that many references. That guy makes Stephanie Meyer look like Lord Byron.
 
faceless007's intuition was correct. Cline can't really write. He just drops references and hopes you can piece together what he's trying to say from them. Kind of like deciphering hieroglyphics, except instead of "squiggly line, man kneeling, bird, man standing, bale of wheat", the symbols are pop culture reference.

Ready Player One:
Worse than Anime
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derder

Member
I haven't read the book so feel free to ignore anything I say about it, but based on how other people (even fans) describe it and the excerpts posted in thread, it really strikes me as a textual equivalent of how little kids play with action figures -- by throwing together lots of disparate toys and props from franchises they like, making up nonsensical stories about them all doing battle with each other or saving people in their ad-hoc shared world, and generally acting like if you take a few pre-existing things that are awesome and mash them together, the result must obviously be multiple times as awesome, right?

That's fine and great to do as a kid because it's just fun and play and ephemeral and it's how we first learn to use our imaginations and no one pretends it means anything on any level. But kids do this not because it makes for a better story or because they're trying to come up with a consistent world in which to explore anything deep or meaningful ideas, but because their imaginations aren't developed enough yet to know how to extract the substance and salient themes from the stories they're enjoying and synthesize that into a new thing. All they know how to do to vicariously recreate some of that awesomeness they love is by dropping the actual thing into their own play space and mimicking it as-is.

Like, if you think Indiana Jones is an awesome character and want to play with Indiana Jones as a kid, it's probably because on some level the theme of a dashing archaeologist who travels the world and has adventures and saves people from danger, but not for personal fortune or glory but just to further the world's understanding of ancient cultures, is really fun and resonates with you as a device for fantasy storytelling. And if you later go on to want to write your own story in that vein, you might take some elements you like (just as Lucas took from the Saturday-morning serials he was influenced by) but hopefully you'll also have enough world knowledge and some sense of other ideas you want to explore that you can create something that is largely your own -- just like the studios that made the Uncharted and Tomb Raider games respectively were clearly heavily inspired by the character and genre of the Indiana Jones series, they didn't need to rely on evoking the player's nostalgia for Indiana Jones in order to stand on their own, and they in turn put their own spin on the treasure-hunter-adventurer genre.

But as a kid, you don't know any of that. You don't know how to think about genre conventions or how to convey characters' internal struggle or establishing conflict or how the world still has to have its own internal logic and how the series explores themes of western imperialism and whether Indy's efforts are ultimately justified or fruitful. All you know is who Indiana Jones literally is and that Indiana Jones is awesome. And if you want to write a story that is also awesome, I guess one way of doing that is to invoke things you already think are awesome and drop them into your story.

But it's hard for me to think that's a praiseworthy or respectable way of writing. And not because of the trite debate about popcorn entertainment vs. high art -- Indiana Jones is popcorn entertainment but does it brilliantly and stands on its own without having to push the nostalgia button a hundred times. Rather, it just screams out to me, "I have no idea how to write or convey any ideas or emotions or character development or construct story using my own ability to craft prose; instead I have to latch onto a plethora of other, better creators and writers and hope that some of their creative talent rubs off on me and the audience won't notice." Is there any actual thematic significance to why all of these properties would need to exist in the same world in the first place? Because if not -- and the impression I get is that there isn't -- then it just strikes me as people getting high on their own childhood nostalgia by reliving the way we played with action figures as children.

I feel like you should read the book. If you're older than 18 and have played video games than you are the target demographic. It's a quick read.

The cultural references are more than cameos.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
I feel like you should read the book. If you're older than 18 and have played video games than you are the target demographic. It's a quick read.

The cultural references are more than cameos.

I mean they're totally cameos. Dude will drop a half dozen references in a single sentence and move the fuck on.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
I'd be ok with the story if it was something like "I was escaping from the castle of Vandal Savage when I reached a dead end outside. My choice was facing Vandal or jumping off this cliff to my doom when suddenly the IRON FUCKING GIANT flew up from the bottom of the cliff to fly me away." That would be tolerable.

But this is just paragraphs and paragraphs of "I've seen Full House, Family Matters, the Cosby Show, All in the Family, and Cheers. My favorite video games are Super Mario Bros 3, Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, Dragon's Lair, Castlevania III, and Double Dragon. I like watching E.T, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Back to the Future, A Nightmare on Elm Street, Ghostbusters, Robocop..."

Like where is the actual narrative in this? Even in the Lego Movie, there are characters with motivations that do things that affect the plot.
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
I feel like you should read the book. If you're older than 18 and have played video games than you are the target demographic. It's a quick read.

The cultural references are more than cameos.

How so? They are just mentioned in passing at lightning speed and then not brought up again...
 

Realyst

Member
Nobody, not even the target audience, defends Fifty Shades of Gray as "quality writing" though. Everyone knows it's just porn.

On the other hand, people keep trying to say RPO is a "great book" and many of us are going to naturally react to that. If people just said, "hey, I liked it" that would be one thing.

I like a lot of stuff that I would never call "great." I enjoy Top Gun, it was one of my favorite movies as a kid. It's not a great film.

Well, I mean, Green Eggs and Ham is a great book. Do you think it's particularly well written?

That's the thing, I don't see anyone proclaim that the book is "in my top ten literary masterpieces of all time". They usually say "I really enjoyed it, it's great" and move on. Sure, you have people gushing about it, most likely due to the nostalgia overdose it provides. To me, Stranger Things scratches the same itch, and I can't wait for season 2.

But folks here and elsewhere have such an irrational hate for the book, it's mind boggling. So much energy has been spent on tearing the book AND the author down. We have people finding out of context passages to make their point.

These critics need to chill out on trying to make others hate the book as much as they do. It's unhealthy.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Well, I mean, Green Eggs and Ham is a great book. Do you think it's particularly well written?

That's the thing, I don't see anyone proclaim that the book is "in my top ten literary masterpieces of all time". They usually say "I really enjoyed it, it's great" and move on. Sure, you have people gushing about it, most likely due to the nostalgia overdose it provides. To me, Stranger Things scratches the same itch, and I can't wait for season 2.

But folks here and elsewhere have such an irrational hate for the book, it's mind boggling. So much energy has been spent on tearing the book AND the author down. We have people finding out of context passages to make their point.

These critics need to chill out on trying to make others hate the book as much as they do. It's unhealthy.

Stranger Things is everything Ready Player One is not. The Duffer Bros. know what they're doing, Cline feels like he jerks off through the written word.
 

Maxios

Member
faceless007's intuition was correct. Cline can't really write. He just drops references and hopes you can piece together what he's trying to say from them. Kind of like deciphering hieroglyphics, except instead of "squiggly line, man kneeling, bird, man standing, bale of wheat", the symbols are pop culture reference.

That character name, good god. Seeing this and all the other examples posted throughout the thread, I totally understand why people dislike this Cline's work now.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Well, I mean, Green Eggs and Ham is a great book. Do you think it's particularly well written?
For its intended age group? Yes. Yes, it is. The works of Dr. Seuss are quite well crafted for kids developing preliteracy skills and expanding beyond them.

That's the thing, I don't see anyone proclaim that the book is "in my top ten literary masterpieces of all time". They usually say "I really enjoyed it, it's great" and move on. Sure, you have people gushing about it, most likely due to the nostalgia overdose it provides. To me, Stranger Things scratches the same itch, and I can't wait for season 2.

But folks here and elsewhere have such an irrational hate for the book, it's mind boggling. So much energy has been spent on tearing the book AND the author down. We have people finding out of context passages to make their point.

These critics need to chill out on trying to make others hate the book as much as they do. It's unhealthy.
Go on...
 

jtb

Banned
Well, I mean, Green Eggs and Ham is a great book. Do you think it's particularly well written?

That's the thing, I don't see anyone proclaim that the book is "in my top ten literary masterpieces of all time". They usually say "I really enjoyed it, it's great" and move on. Sure, you have people gushing about it, most likely due to the nostalgia overdose it provides. To me, Stranger Things scratches the same itch, and I can't wait for season 2.

But folks here and elsewhere have such an irrational hate for the book, it's mind boggling. So much energy has been spent on tearing the book AND the author down. We have people finding out of context passages to make their point.

These critics need to chill out on trying to make others hate the book as much as they do. It's unhealthy.

You do realize that Dr. Suess is universally lauded as one of the greatest children's authors ever, right? I don't understand this comparison.
 
faceless007's intuition was correct. Cline can't really write. He just drops references and hopes you can piece together what he's trying to say from them. Kind of like deciphering hieroglyphics, except instead of "squiggly line, man kneeling, bird, man standing, bale of wheat", the symbols are pop culture reference.
Ugh. Getting some nasty flashbacks reading that.

I got a review copy of that novel from Penguin. Hardcover and everything. Getting through it was an absolute fucking chore.

Penguin haven't sent me any other books to review since :(
 

commish

Jason Kidd murdered my dog in cold blood!
For the last six years, people bash Cline's writing.

For the last six years, no one defends Cline's writing.

Guys, we get it. It's not well written. Let's all agree and move on. I mean, we now have people who haven't even read a page of the book commenting on how poorly written it is. Congrats on the sharp insight and saying what everyone has said for years.

Still a fun book. :)
 

aeolist

Banned
You do realize that Dr. Suess is universally lauded as one of the greatest children's authors ever, right? I don't understand this comparison.

no you see his point is that seuss's audience is small children and he writes very well toward that purpose, while cline's audience is blithering idiots and he's similarly well suited for it
 

jtb

Banned
For the last six years, people bash Cline's writing.

For the last six years, no one defends Cline's writing.

Guys, we get it. It's not well written. Let's all agree and move on. I mean, we now have people who haven't even read a page of the book commenting on how poorly written it is. Congrats on the sharp insight and saying what everyone has said for years.

Still a fun book. :)

Isn't that what people are doing by focusing on the book being masturbatory garbage in addition to being poorly written?
 

Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
For the last six years, people bash Cline's writing.

For the last six years, no one defends Cline's writing.

Guys, we get it. It's not well written. Let's all agree and move on. I mean, we now have people who haven't even read a page of the book commenting on how poorly written it is. Congrats on the sharp insight and saying what everyone has said for years.

Still a fun book. :)
If you like it, maybe you should defend his writing instead of telling people to stop discussing it.
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
For the last six years, people bash Cline's writing.

For the last six years, no one defends Cline's writing.

Guys, we get it. It's not well written. Let's all agree and move on. I mean, we now have people who haven't even read a page of the book commenting on how poorly written it is. Congrats on the sharp insight and saying what everyone has said for years.

Still a fun book. :)

I find it the exact opposite of a fun read because the writing is garbage.
 
It should have been obvious, but I didn't realise that Spielberg actually shot a lot of this film in the Volume stage like he did with Tintin.

Expect a lot of crazy shots.
 

JCHandsom

Member
Well, I mean, Green Eggs and Ham is a great book. Do you think it's particularly well written?

Yes, because it was written for a particular audience and it succeeded at its goals. It's creative, fun to read aloud, and it actually builds up to a decent joke about trying new things. It doesn't fail at what it sets out to do like RPO does.

But folks here and elsewhere have such an irrational hate for the book, it's mind boggling. So much energy has been spent on tearing the book AND the author down. We have people finding out of context passages to make their point.

These critics need to chill out on trying to make others hate the book as much as they do. It's unhealthy.

I don't think anyone has gone to any "unhealthy" or "irrational" lengths in criticizing RPO. It's a bad book, but I think it's fine if people still like it, and I've stated as much already. Criticizing something bad, picking it apart to figure out what it does wrong and where it fails, is worthwhile for several reasons. In the case of RPO, dissecting what it does wrong goes to the heart of some of gaming and geek cultures' worst tendencies, and being aware of that sort of stuff can help you call it out when you see it (the borderline toxic individualism, the gatekeeping, the self-loathing, etc.) It helps you figure out what not to do when writing, and it could provide inspiration in a "Here's an idea that could be fixed and improved on!" kind of way, which is what I'm hoping for with Spielberg's adaptation.

And believe me, context does not make any of the quotes and passages being shown any better.

For the last six years, people bash Cline's writing.

For the last six years, no one defends Cline's writing.

Guys, we get it. It's not well written. Let's all agree and move on. I mean, we now have people who haven't even read a page of the book commenting on how poorly written it is. Congrats on the sharp insight and saying what everyone has said for years.

Still a fun book. :)

Ah shit, did my complaining permit expire? :(

They're making a movie of it, people are talking about it, it's not going to go away and the criticisms of it are going to say. You can still like it and think that it's a fun book, and I can still say it sucks. Just because you're sick of it doesn't mean it isn't true, it doesn't mean that anyone is going to or should stop criticizing it, and it certainly doesn't mean that everything that can be said about RPO has been said. People are going to talk about things being/good or bad for as long as that thing is around, and RPO aint going anywhere.
 

Realyst

Member
For its intended age group? Yes. Yes, it is. The works of Dr. Seuss are quite well crafted for kids developing preliteracy skills and expanding beyond them.


Go on...

Without spoiling a plot point, the passage regarding a character reveal.

Now, to expand on my comparison to Dr. Seuss' book. I think that we can agree that each book has a target audience. Green Eggs and Ham is a great book for those at early English reading comprehension skill levels, and is beloved by millions. It's one of my favorite books of all time.

Ready Player One is targetted at Gen X and millennials born in the early 80's (I'm in this group). The book succeeded in building a world with a bunch of early 80's references, introducing characters I didn't hate, and steering to a logical conclusion. The book apparently appealed to enough people that a movie is being made. It didn't have to be Shakespearean for it to make me enjoy and appreciate it. It accomplished what it set out to do.

So, how do you grade these two books? Do you compare them to Shakespeare? To Hemingway? It's all relative, right? Stop trying to compare the book to Of Mice and Men. If you didn't like the book, fine. I suggest that we should talk about how the visuals that we observed from less than 2% of the completed film compare to what we thought it would look like, instead of why the movie shouldn't be made because the writing didn't appeal to us.
 

besada

Banned
If people take issue with others criticizing the source material, feel free to defend it or ignore them, but the whining about people not liking a thing you like needs to stop.
 

JCHandsom

Member
Ready Player One is targetted at Gen X and millennials born in the early 80's (I'm in this group). The book succeeded in building a world with a bunch of early 80's references,introducing characters I didn't hate, and steering to a logical conclusion.

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So, how do you grade these two books? Do you compare them to Shakespeare? To Hemingway? It's all relative, right? Stop trying to compare the book to Of Mice and Men. If you didn't like the book, fine. I suggest that we should talk about how the visuals that we observed from less than 2% of the completed film compare to what we thought it would look like, instead of why the movie shouldn't be made because the writing didn't appeal to us.

I want the movie to be made, because it could be better than the book.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Without spoiling a plot point, the passage regarding a character reveal.

Now, to expand on my comparison to Dr. Seuss' book. I think that we can agree that each book has a target audience. Green Eggs and Ham is a great book for those at early English reading comprehension skill levels, and is beloved by millions. It's one of my favorite books of all time.

Ready Player One is targetted at Gen X and millennials born in the early 80's (I'm in this group). The book succeeded in building a world with a bunch of early 80's references, introducing characters I didn't hate, and steering to a logical conclusion. The book apparently appealed to enough people that a movie is being made. It didn't have to be Shakespearean for it to make me enjoy and appreciate it. It accomplished what it set out to do.

So, how do you grade these two books? Do you compare them to Shakespeare? To Hemingway? It's all relative, right? Stop trying to compare the book to Of Mice and Men. If you didn't like the book, fine. I suggest that we should talk about how the visuals that we observed from less than 2% of the completed film compare to what we thought it would look like, instead of why the movie shouldn't be made because the writing didn't appeal to us.

What I find funny is people keep saying don't compare it to the great works of literature but I don't think RP1 stands up to most fan fiction I've seen on the internet.
 
Ready Player One is targetted at Gen X and millennials born in the early 80's (I'm in this group).

Gen X here

So, how do you grade these two books? Do you compare them to Shakespeare? To Hemingway? It's all relative, right? Stop trying to compare the book to Of Mice and Men.

No, I compare it to Neuromancer, or Snow Crash, or even the recent Futuristic Violence and Fancy Suits. It's bad compared to other examples in the genre.
 
I still don't really have a good idea as to what the plot of this movie is suppose to be.

It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World* but in cyberspace with geek pop cultural references galore mostly, but not exclusively, around the 80s.

*Midnight Madness or Scavenger Hunt might be more accurate.
 

JCHandsom

Member
I still don't really have a good idea as to what the plot of this movie is suppose to be.

It's a scavenger hunt inside of a VR universe built around 80's pop culture.

No, I compare it to Neuromancer, or Snow Crash, or even the recent Futuristic Violence and Fancy Suits. It's bad compared to other examples in the genre.

I think that is the exact standard RPO was trying to match, and it fails pretty badly at it.
 

Pilgrimzero

Member
The irony of this whole thread is the people complaint about the book are on a video game message board who have pop culture references in one form or another as picture avatar and who can probably quote Monty Python, discuss the pros and cons of various anime, and who they like more Rick or Mortey until they are blue in th face.

But holy shit that badly written 80s pop culture novel turned film.
 

Not

Banned
Gen X here



No, I compare it to Neuromancer, or Snow Crash, or even the recent Futuristic Violence and Fancy Suits. It's bad compared to other examples in the genre.

Man, why did this get a movie before Snow Crash :mad:

The irony of this whole thread is the people complaint about the book are on a video game message board who have pop culture references in one form or another as picture avatar and who can probably quote Monty Python, discuss the pros and cons of various anime, and who they like more Rick or Morty until they are blue in the face.

But holy shit that badly written 80s pop culture novel turned film.

Those are both well-written pop cultural properties.
 
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