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Ready Player One - SDCC Teaser

Aiii

So not worth it
The book has a rating of 4.31 out of 5 on Goodreads with over 400,000 ratings.

Oh but don't worry. The hate is definitely not a GAF thing. It's near universal.

Having read quite a number of the goodreads reviews back when I read the book because the rating was so puzzling to me I quickly found out that the five star ratings reviews all had one thing in common.

Nostalgia.

Seriously, if you go read the reviews you will find most of them, even the more extensive ones, talk about how they too liked all the things Halliday liked. How they too were a teen in the 80s. How they have been listening to 80s music all week since reading the book. Fare like that.

There have been some good and extensive posts with criticism on this book, on the story, on the characters and on the manner in which references are made in this book. Most of the positive reviews are the ones where the nostalgia bait worked. And that is fine, if that clicked for you and it helps you overcome the flaws of the writer and the story. But I found very little arguments on the positive side except the “it was fun” or “it felt like I was a teenager again” and that is just what it is.
 

JaseMath

Member
Have high hopes for the movie. Also, to chime in, from a pure literary standpoint, RPO is not particularly well-written, relying instead on nostalgia to fill in the gaps in the reader's minds. I think if more people read Cline's follow-up Armada (not great), you can get a broader sense of the overall quality.
 

jstripes

Banned
Having read quite a number of the goodreads reviews back when I read the book because the rating was so puzzling to me I quickly found out that the five star ratings reviews all had one thing in common.

Nostalgia.

Seriously, if you go read the reviews you will find most of them, even the more extensive ones, talk about how they too liked all the things Halliday liked. How they too were a teen in the 80s. How they have been listening to 80s music all week since reading the book. Fare like that.

There have been some good and extensive posts with criticism on this book, on the story, on the characters and on the manner in which references are made in this book. Most of the positive reviews are the ones where the nostalgia bait worked. And that is fine, if that clicked for you and it helps you overcome the flaws of the writer and the story. But I found very little arguments on the positive side except the “it was fun” or “it felt like I was a teenager again” and that is just what it is.

Nostalgia is a helluva drug. It's too easy to become trapped in the past and never emotionally mature.
 

JCHandsom

Member
Have high hopes for the movie. Also, to chime in, from a pure literary standpoint, RPO is not particularly well-written, relying instead on nostalgia to fill in the gaps in the reader's minds. I think if more people read Cline's follow-up Armada (not great), you can get a broader sense of the overall quality.

But then they would have to read Armada, and I don't think I would want to inflict that on someone.
 

Inkwell

Banned
Probably that hack Leo Laporte. After reading the book, I realized Leo has no personal taste and always chase after the popular thing. I promptly unsubscribed all TWIT podcasts.

This movie is Speilberg turning Leo Laporte.

Actually, it was someone I know personally that recommended it. I hadn't heard about the book at all before, but started seeing all this love for RPO after I had read it and was seriously confused.

Didn't it turn out that Leo Laporte was kind of a misogynistic asshole, or am I thinking of someone else? I kind of stopped paying attention to him after TechTV, but actively avoided him after hearing about that stuff. I could be wrong though.
 

JCHandsom

Member
Pissy fanboys upset that someone else monetized their childhood memories: the thread

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Misha

Banned
Haven't read the book, but saw this in a review. Is this the protagonist speaking?



That's seriously fucked up.
Never gonna give money to that person. (Assuming it's not missing some context that saves it but that looks pretty cut and dry)
 

Talka

Member
People sure are getting bent out of shape to defend this 'writing'.

Standing on the left side of the runway was my battle-worn X-wing fighter. Parked on the right side was my DeLorean. Sitting on the runway itself was my most frequently used spacecraft, the Vonnegut. Max had already powered up the engines, and they emitted a low, steady roar that filled the hangar. The Vonnegut was a heavily modified Firefly-class transport vessel, modeled after the Serenity in the classic Firefly TV series. The ship had been named the Kaylee when I'd first obtained it, but I'd immediately rechristened it after one of my favorite twentieth-century novelists. Its new name was stenciled on the side of its battered gray hull. I'd looted the Vonnegut from a cadre of Oviraptor clansmen who had foolishly attempted to hijack my X-wing while I was cruising through a large group of worlds in Sector Eleven known as the Whedonverse.

I was trying to recall this exact passage to share in this thread. How anyone can read this and not bury their head in embarrassment baffles me.

"The Vonnegut was a heavily modified Firefly-class transport vessel, modeled after the Serenity in the classic Firefly TV series."

Jesus.

There's a similar passage about his DeLorean that's somehow even worse.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Haven't read the book, but saw this in a review. Is this the protagonist speaking?

”Now, spill it. Are you a woman? And by that I mean are you a human female who has never had a sex-change operation?"

That's seriously fucked up.

I do feel bad for ragging on a book I haven't read though, so I will stop. I will say that the trailer did nothing for me - beyond some detail about the setting the trailer told me nothing about the story or why I should watch the movie beyond "Hey remember this thing??" CGI extravaganza alone is not enough of a hook anymore.

Never gonna give money to that person. (Assuming it's not missing some context that saves it but that looks pretty cut and dry)
Yes, it's the protagonist. No, there is no negating context.
 

LiK

Member
Man, some people in my Twitter trying hard to point out how much they don't care for this trailer. Not sure why people are so butthurt about this movie.
 

kswiston

Member
Man, some people in my Twitter trying hard to point out how much they don't care for this trailer. Not sure why people are so butthurt about this movie.

I haven't read it, but from what I gather, the book hits the same sour spots (for some) that The Big Bang Theory does in terms of trying to hard with the geek references.


But general audiences love BBT. The same may apply here.

I can't see a big budget Spielberg sci-fi film having no redeeming qualities either.
 

LiK

Member
I haven't read it, but from what I gather, the book hits the same sour spots (for some) that The Big Bang Theory does in terms of trying to hard with the geek references.


But general audiences love BBT. The same may apply here.

I can't see a big budget Spielberg sci-fi film having no redeeming qualities either.

I guess so. Never read the book either but I want to watch the movie for the references.
 

Starviper

Member
I haven't read it, but from what I gather, the book hits the same sour spots (for some) that The Big Bang Theory does in terms of trying to hard with the geek references.


But general audiences love BBT. The same may apply here.

I can't see a big budget Spielberg sci-fi film having no redeeming qualities either.

Ehhh I don't enjoy Big Bang because it's going about it's nerd references in the wrong sort of way. It's used as comedic relief to the point of ruining the series, whereas this brings up geeky references in a more nostalgic light. Like others have said, the book isn't an amazing piece of literature but the concepts and references should make for a sweet popcorn flick.
 

Biff

Member
Looks pretty awful. Not surprising considering just how poorly written the book is. I did have some reservations that Spielberg would be able to produce something watchable but this probably isn't the case.

Is that image really from the book? Or just some kind of meme I'm unaware of.

That is laughably bad. Embarrassing. It can't be from a legitimately published book.
 
I could see more value in an RPO movie than the actual book itself. The movie could at least be motion picture book of pop culture references that demands something of the viewer to "get" the Easter egg. Whereas in the book, he just name-drops a reference then explains what the reference is referencing to make sure you don't miss what he's referencing.
 

nomis

Member
I could see more value in an RPO movie than the actual book itself. The movie could at least be motion picture book of pop culture references that demands something of the viewer to "get" the Easter egg. Whereas in the book, he just name-drops a reference then explains what the reference is referencing to make sure you don't miss what he's referencing.

sure the visual nature of it might make the references less hamfisted without a pathetic explainer pinned on, but i don’t think it will make the nostalgia play any less cynical
 

Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
I think the really dark possibility of this material is that it ends up like a big budget special effects version of Cline's movie FANBOYS.
 
Don't see anywhere near this much hate for schlocky YA movies, Fifty Shades of Gray or whatever.

Nobody, not even the target audience, defends Fifty Shades of Gray as "quality writing" though. Everyone knows it's just porn.

On the other hand, people keep trying to say RPO is a "great book" and many of us are going to naturally react to that. If people just said, "hey, I liked it" that would be one thing.

I like a lot of stuff that I would never call "great." I enjoy Top Gun, it was one of my favorite movies as a kid. It's not a great film.
 
sure the visual nature of it might make the references less hamfisted without a pathetic explainer pinned on, but i don’t think it will make the nostalgia play any less cynical
For sure, I'm just saying a movie would better serve as an easter egg hunt for the audience instead of the book.
 

Shoeless

Member
sure the visual nature of it might make the references less hamfisted without a pathetic explainer pinned on, but i don’t think it will make the nostalgia play any less cynical

Makes me think that if they really want to do the home release right, the BD needs to have a decent extras feature that can high light and explain the various references that appear throughout the movie.

When I read the Kindle version, I really appreciated the fact that the e-book version allows those extra comments to just pop up as windows on the text, rather than forcing me to go back to the glossary/index to read up on this stuff the way I originally did when I first read Dune.
 
I haven't read the book so feel free to ignore anything I say about it, but based on how other people (even fans) describe it and the excerpts posted in thread, it really strikes me as a textual equivalent of how little kids play with action figures -- by throwing together lots of disparate toys and props from franchises they like, making up nonsensical stories about them all doing battle with each other or saving people in their ad-hoc shared world, and generally acting like if you take a few pre-existing things that are awesome and mash them together, the result must obviously be multiple times as awesome, right?

That's fine and great to do as a kid because it's just fun and play and ephemeral and it's how we first learn to use our imaginations and no one pretends it means anything on any level. But kids do this not because it makes for a better story or because they're trying to come up with a consistent world in which to explore anything deep or meaningful ideas, but because their imaginations aren't developed enough yet to know how to extract the substance and salient themes from the stories they're enjoying and synthesize that into a new thing. All they know how to do to vicariously recreate some of that awesomeness they love is by dropping the actual thing into their own play space and mimicking it as-is.

Like, if you think Indiana Jones is an awesome character and want to play with Indiana Jones as a kid, it's probably because on some level the theme of a dashing archaeologist who travels the world and has adventures and saves people from danger, but not for personal fortune or glory but just to further the world's understanding of ancient cultures, is really fun and resonates with you as a device for fantasy storytelling. And if you later go on to want to write your own story in that vein, you might take some elements you like (just as Lucas took from the Saturday-morning serials he was influenced by) but hopefully you'll also have enough world knowledge and some sense of other ideas you want to explore that you can create something that is largely your own -- just like the studios that made the Uncharted and Tomb Raider games respectively were clearly heavily inspired by the character and genre of the Indiana Jones series, they didn't need to rely on evoking the player's nostalgia for Indiana Jones in order to stand on their own, and they in turn put their own spin on the treasure-hunter-adventurer genre.

But as a kid, you don't know any of that. You don't know how to think about genre conventions or how to convey characters' internal struggle or establishing conflict or how the world still has to have its own internal logic and how the series explores themes of western imperialism and whether Indy's efforts are ultimately justified or fruitful. All you know is who Indiana Jones literally is and that Indiana Jones is awesome. And if you want to write a story that is also awesome, I guess one way of doing that is to invoke things you already think are awesome and drop them into your story.

But it's hard for me to think that's a praiseworthy or respectable way of writing. And not because of the trite debate about popcorn entertainment vs. high art -- Indiana Jones is popcorn entertainment but does it brilliantly and stands on its own without having to push the nostalgia button a hundred times. Rather, it just screams out to me, "I have no idea how to write or convey any ideas or emotions or character development or construct story using my own ability to craft prose; instead I have to latch onto a plethora of other, better creators and writers and hope that some of their creative talent rubs off on me and the audience won't notice." Is there any actual thematic significance to why all of these properties would need to exist in the same world in the first place? Because if not -- and the impression I get is that there isn't -- then it just strikes me as people getting high on their own childhood nostalgia by reliving the way we played with action figures as children.
 
Looks pretty fun and dumb. That's all it is, no need to get upset.

I like the idea of making it more about late 80s early 90s characters though. It makes sense in a VR world people would use pop culture avatars.
 

wetflame

Pizza Dog
The thing is, if I was in an immersive virtual world like the one depicted in the book, I'd probably want a Delorean and a Firefly class spaceship too, so it's hard for me to knock the references. There's some other stuff in there that's way more questionable though.
 

Not

Banned
The best female character in the book isn't even a female character until the last thirty pages of the book.

Spoilers

Every other female character is CRINGE

What is it about the pop culture of yesteryear that fucked up all boys' perceptions of women
 
Conceptually a story about a hero who enters a world made of references to things, such as pop culture that's outdated for their time, and succeeds in the story by being the one who's familiar with the sources and is genre savy and can exploit that could be fun.

But using exact names of things feels either lazy, or treating the audience as not smart enough to get more subtle references.

I want to read the book, and see how it plays out.

I'm okay with nerd wish fulfillment, as a bit out hero myself I'd appreciate an optimistic view that my trivia knowledge or game skills could have value. Harmless escapism fun.
 
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