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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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TheLostBigBoss
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A lot of the issues would have been fixed if Danny got to Westeros half a season earlier.
That was my impression too. I actually liked the ship battle for the most part, the quick cutting didn't bother me much. Of course I had had some whisky at that point, so maybe that improved it a bit. Sandsnakes biting it definitely improved it a bit...
The atmosphere of the battle was pretty spot on I felt. Weird magic, fog, fire in the darkness. Basically what I would imagine a battle vs Euron should be like.
RustyNails
Member
I did, and Ygritte probably returned the favor to Jon Snow. What about Greyworm?
Booty.
Zelenogorsk
Banned
Goddamn that battle scene was awesome. Euron is going HAM.
Also that greyscale surgery/spoon into food transition was hilarious.
Also that greyscale surgery/spoon into food transition was hilarious.
DarkLordMalik
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He just used his mental powers to work out his phantom penis
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Euron prowess adds more evidence that new characters are always unbalanced before they patch them.
Summer Haze
Banned
That transition though
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Again it's not the bad guys winning so much as the realism only applies to the 'good' guys. Look at Euron. Decides to return to the iron islands and become king of the iron islands and then the seven kingdoms. Day 1 murders the king. Day 2 become king of the iron islands. Has a massive set back when his fleet and plan to marry Queen dany is stolen. Decides to make the greatest fleet the world has ever seen. Short time later has the greatest fleet. Approaches queen cersei about becoming king. Decides to capture ellaria. Short time later finds she is travelling on his niece's fleet, where the fleet is, and succesfully captures her, while going into battle at the front of the attack.You're disappointed the story is told in a realistic manner just because it's ending? The show never had bad guys winning, it was always sometimes good guys win, other times bad guys win. Keep in mind what show you're watching.
If Dany or Robb or Ned had that kind of 'realism' - the series would have lasted two seasons at best.
ShooterMcGavin
Member
Euron motherucking Greyjoy. Love him so much.
"I AM THE DROWNED GOD"
"I AM THE DROWNED GOD"
What didn't match the character's motivation?
Arya realizing her brother or another Stark is alive and that Winterfell belongs to him, forcing her to change her plans?
Jon Snow being Ned 2.0?
Dany hell-bent on the throne but also taking advice and plotting instead of just destroying everything?
A lot of these come across as "the show is too cool now so let me just pick it apart". You also liked last week's episode and season 5, which is considered by most the worst season. So you dislike one ep in season 7 and now the show is not only bad, you are ready to quit it, and it's comparable to BvS?
Holy hyperbole!
LOL OK yeah everyone just watches it cause of boobs, blood, and because no one wants to be the lonely person who doesn't. Pretentious as shit.
I hate criticism like this because instead of just focusing on what you might find lacking or not working plot wise, the writer has to throw in a shot that of course, it still popular despite how bad it is and its only cause people just like boobs!
I don't even think that is the issue. Some stuff is sped up and some isn't. But the main plot with Danny coming to Westeros and The White Walkers has taken 6 seasons to materialize. You can't slow down Danny's invasion or the White Walkers any further. To do what?
Devilinthiscity
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Well they are pretty much going off of nothing at this point since they are way past the books. I hope this season is good but it feels like things are happening at faster pace due to there only being two seasons left. This season is like 7 episodes no?
LegendofDragoonLives
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The proactive players get shit done the most. Lets look at Jon since he died. Was literally fucking revived from the dead. Got the wild lings all to fight for him, went to fight a cunt. Did the dumbest thing ever and instead of getting killed, survived. Got help from the Vale, killed the cunt, his army and became the King of Northing unifying all the North and getting the Vale as a strong ally. Got his sister back. That's all in one season.
Might become an ally with a queen that has 3 dragons and the strongest army in the world atm. Robb and Ned fucked up big time and paid for it. Where has Euron fucked up? Dany has been pissing about for 6 seasons, what do you want us to do?
Great thing about how open the internet is, any pretentious twat that can write a few paragraphs is a professional writer.
LF is my second choice after my first choice being an actual hero lol
Her getting killed by either brother is a far more devastating death from her. It's looking like a repeat Mad Queen v2 where Jaime for once puts a different sword inside of her. I suspect that will be the ending of episode 6 or 7.No. Cersei isn't fun. I can't remember what season it was, but Tywin pegged her in that season when he said that she wasn't as clever as she thinks she is. At this point, she's the Mad Queen, willing to do anything and everything to gain and hold on to her power.
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THAT BEING SAID:
The fact that I despise her so much shows how well Lena Heady is doing with her. She's one of the best bad guys; one you don't (or at least I don't) sympathize with and want to see her fall. I wanted Arya to kill her, but now she's going back to Winterfell. Hopefully something horrid doesn't happen to her on the way.
Also, I heard the word "books" in that video and immediately closed it.
CecilRousso
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Don't care about Ellaria, she's pure evil, but hope Yara survives this, as it would be a waste of great character otherwise.
My issue is that they seemed to want only 13 total episodes for the last seasons because they thought that's all they needed, but after two episodes here it's pretty clear they actually needed two full seasons. They just apparently didn't want to do that. Or maybe their budget is all going into some big finales. Still, I can't help but be disappointed in a lot of the last few seasons.
I feel overall either the writers didn't actually understand why people liked it and are going with the lowest impression of why people are tuning in. They go for pure shock value and the first few seasons were never really about that. At least they had a much bigger backbone to the shocking parts. Ned's death, for instance, was shocking because it went against a lot of television, but it didn't actually go against the world or logic itself. Euron and Ramsay largely go for shocking without being grounded in the world and actually being more typical schlocky television. They're the antithesis of why this show blew up.
On the one hand I appreciate Jon leaving Sansa in charge because it felt like a backhand "fine then you run things and see how easy it is". On the other hand, leaving Sansa in charge is almost certainly a horrible idea because she's most likely going to go against Jon's wishes or something because Sansa still can't let it sink in that the North needs allies desperately.
Keep in mind the character in the gif you're using meets his demise in what most would consider a happy ending
You're disappointed the story is told in a realistic manner just because it's ending? The show never had bad guys winning, it was always sometimes good guys win, other times bad guys win. Keep in mind what show you're watching.
Keep in mind the character in the gif you're using meets his demise in what most would consider a happy ending
schwabdizzle
Banned
That wolf scene was pretty awesome. Defiantly the best scene of the episode last night.
Jon: "Tyrian is the Lannister who defected and now tries to remove Cersei from power"
Davos: "Dany has dragons and sits on a mountain of dragonglass. She literally is stockpiled for slaughtering White Walkers. She's also coming to remove Cersei from power"
Jon: "The North needs allies in order to defeat the Night King"
Sansa: "BUT HEREMAILS FATHER!"
Davos: "Dany has dragons and sits on a mountain of dragonglass. She literally is stockpiled for slaughtering White Walkers. She's also coming to remove Cersei from power"
Jon: "The North needs allies in order to defeat the Night King"
Sansa: "BUT HER
Euron would have had that arc wrapped up in 3 episodes flat and you know it
What's been interesting to me is how bad guys require either concentrated and elborate plots to foil. Joffrey lasted over three seasons and was brought down by Littlefinger and Olenna teaming up. Ramsay damn near had his perfect ending, but it took the convenient love LF has for Sansa to throw an element he didn't account for into the mix and spoil it for him. It doesn't take anywhere near the same amount of effort to fuck up the not so demented characters in the show.
RustyNails
Member
Wait, I thought Yara died? It wasn't her corpse hanging from the ship?
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Sand Snakes
Vyse The Legend
Member
No. That was one of Ellaria's daughters.
Euron took Yara with him, along with Ellaria and one of her daughters. Yara's going to die a very horrible death, I'm guessing. Also, Cersei is totally going to feed Ellaria and her daughter to the Mountain.
No the child killer and bad pussy are still alive. I'm hoping Bronn saves Tyanne. But Ellaria can have her head caved in like Oberyn for all I care. Speaking of child killers, Davos told Mel he'd kill her if he ever saw her again. Let's go Onion Knight!
Yeah I kinda understand. Fight back and his sister gets killed. Surrender and he gets killed.
At least like this both are alive.
RustyNails
Member
Ooo interesting. I love Yara, but I fear what Euron x Cersei will do to her.
I hope Theon teams up with Dany.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Sansa is making a lot of sense. Targs have been known to be crazy shit heads and fuck their sisters/brothers to breed more and more. And she's right, her father called their uncle and grand pappy while burning them alive in front of 500 people as he literally lol'd while everyone cringed. If Danny was not a part of this show until episode 1 of season 7 based on, less than 5% of the people that watch the show would want him to go personally, if that.
A more sensible option is sending someone that is well spoken like Davos in his place. But we know that they will likely dig each other and marry because that's how the story's set up and we know most of the angles. That's not the case for anyone not named LF or Varys in this show.
Because good guys are not as ruthless or proactive as bad guys. The king of iron islands was thrown of a bridge on a rainy night. The strongest bad guy in the show was killed by a dwarf that was supposed to be executed while taking a shit. No huge army. Not some massive plan. Just one guy.Euron would have had that arc wrapped up in 3 episodes flat and you know it
What's been interesting to me is how bad guys require either concentrated and elborate plots to foil. Joffrey lasted over three seasons and was brought down by Littlefinger and Olenna teaming up. Ramsay damn near had his perfect ending, but it took the convenient love LF has for Sansa to throw an element he didn't account for into the mix and spoil it for him. It doesn't take anywhere near the same amount of effort to fuck up the not so demented characters in the show.
-Stranger-
Junior Member
Feel like ive lost interest a bit in this show.
How is season 7 going?
How is season 7 going?
soundscream
Member
People need to invest in bigger TVs.
Wasn't Ellaria one of the conspirators who helped with Joffrey's murder?
I dunno, I don't think she's making a lot of sense right now because Sansa seems insistent on making as many enemies as possible and seems to be completely under estimating how big of a threat the White Walkers are.
I dunno, I don't think she's making a lot of sense right now because Sansa seems insistent on making as many enemies as possible and seems to be completely under estimating how big of a threat the White Walkers are.
I actually quite like it so far, much more than 5 and 6.
Nah, it was the two Sand Snakes that were killed on the deck of the ship.
*edit - beaten horribly
I think it was just myrcella
Vyse The Legend
Member
I'm pretty sure that wasn't his thought process, though. He just panicked and jumped ship literally. Yara would've preferred he tried, and they both die right then and there... instead of what horrible fate Euron has planned for her.
Theon needs to float away. He's useless.
Gunslinger
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So next episode high garden bites the dust or episode 4? The two armies dorne and high garden will be wiped out I think. Sam's father is going to wipe out Margery's family. And dorne is done by godmode Euron. But unsullied will take casterly rock for sure. So season finale is battle for kingslanding?
Besides for the final scene, which was admittedly pretty bad I feel, I felt the rest of the episode was on par with most Game of Thrones fare. I've been rewatching most of the show with someone to catch them up for season 7 and sometimes a lot of the older stuff actually feels like stale filler (it could be that I've seen it all plenty of times though). Dany confronting Varys was very well written I felt. Most of the other discussions didn't seem any more poorly written than usual. Arya got a nice poetic moment with Nymeria, we got some nice house interactions with Jaime and Randall, Olenna being her usual self, Littlefinger being a conniving bastard, nothing felt particularly poorly executed in comparison to older stuff.
Is it possible it only feels rushed because most storylines converged and there's less separate characters to visit and intricacies to discuss and understand? I don't think it feels rushed, it just feels like we've reached the endgame and are careening into it.
The final scene I felt just left a bad taste in people's mouths and hyperbole is setting in, that scene was bad but it doesn't make the episode bad.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Sending "anybody but Jon" is a great idea other than the fact that they will likely hook for watchers since it's been hinted story wise (two good looking rulers who need each other.. yeah :\ )
Jon and Sansa have a good thing in terms cynical/jolly good planning, but I agree about texting each other first instead of having all their convos sent to all.
The only Targ I've ever heard talked about being crazy is the Mad King though. Rhaegar was liked, Maestor Aemon was cool, they mentioned Baelor was pious. The line that it was a flip of the coin in terms of sanity with the Targs came from Cersei, and considering her Fox News/Breitbart attempt to reframe what was happening with Dany in Essos, I don't think I'm inclined to actually trust anything that comes out of her mouth.
The entire character of Euron has been bad. "Let's go murder them." Holy shit why?! His obsession with that word make him so fucking cringe and edgy. He's following the same footsteps as Ramsay and his awful writing. Iron Islands as a whole has been poorly written as has almost anything that touches Dorne.
I think that's the weirder part overall too. Yes there are some great interactions still there, like with Jaime and Randall, but those feel like vastly different writers or something.
The problem seems to me that somewhere around Season 5 they had to introduce all these new characters that would have a hand in the endgame but didn't want to actually earn that endgame with them. They took the quickest paths to get them into the game and they feel really strange next to others. It's like their stories are on fast forward in order to get to the main characters story quicker. Someone like Euron should have been in the show way earlier. Him taking over the island should have been a more drawn out thing.
RustyNails
Member
Theon should "rescue" Yara.
soundscream
Member
So ummmm have we talked about this
It would be funny if the wall is and always was useless.
It would be funny if the wall is and always was useless.
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