On the premise that Danny helps with the Nightwalker I think Jon would do anything.
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On the premise that Danny helps with the Nightwalker I think Jon would do anything.
Honestly as silly as it was with Euron coming out of nowhere, if they they need to do that to capture at least some of the craziness of the greyoy brothers chapters I'm fine with it
Cpt.Underpants
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I wouldn't like it. You just got crowned by your own people King in the Norf and Jon bends his knee just like that. But then again you've got an apocalyptic event coming so desperate measures I guess.
I wonder how Jon's lineage is going to play out as well. Considering Bran and maybe Howland Reed knows Jon's true parentage. Probably just fuck all, hopefully it won't
Because they won back Winterfell? And that's how loyalty is maintained in a feudal society? And they only half believe this apocalypse stuff anyway.
It will matter, otherwise what's the point in revealing it?
I bet the topic will come up, at least between Jon and Davos, of Mance's little speech about not bending the knee. Whether he does or not, I don't know, but I feel they'll acknowledge that little point.
Had plenty of chances of turning on LF, but he hasn't. Of course, I don't think Sansa has let on that LF helped kill Joffrey. Not sure if she knew about Olenna, but definitely did know about LF (killing the jester and all)
If Howland Reed hadn't died in the Sept of Baelor I imagine he'd have said something about the Targaryen King in the North.
SodiumBenzoate
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Well they never paid off the scene with Varys+Tyrion talking about Melisandre and how evil her magic is, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
(I can't find the scene on Youtube but it's ~15 minutes into Blackwater, S2E9. edit: i'm actually also remembering another scene with Varys and Tyrion, in S3, my point still stands)
Eh they talk extensively about it when Tyrion invites the high priestess from Volantis to Mereen.
Admiral Woofington
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what does Varys have to gain for Jon knowing about Littlefinger? Jon already NEEDS to work with them, trust isn't necessary right now.
bitbydeath
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Littlefinger has nothing to offer these days, Sansa could easily take his soldiers if she wanted. He's on borrowed time and won't last the season... IMO
Admiral Woofington
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Again, Varys has little to gain for turning on him at this specific point though. Seems like knowledge better used on a different time.
Only reason to reveal it I guess is if Jon would leave without joining forces with Danny.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The more I think about it, the more annoying it gets realizing that somehow Euron built a literally gigantic armada in the amount of time it took Theon to sail to Mereen and to sail back.
Even in very slow ships, it only took like 20 days to sail from England to America and I don't know that Westeros and Essos are that far apart given they're sailing the "Narrow Sea." It should have taken the Iron Islands literal decades to build a fleet of that size, not to mention wherever the fuck they got the resources to build those ships. The Iron Islands would be Lannister-level rich if they had been building these ships for the Crown, so it makes no sense that nobody thought of it before.
Even in very slow ships, it only took like 20 days to sail from England to America and I don't know that Westeros and Essos are that far apart given they're sailing the "Narrow Sea." It should have taken the Iron Islands literal decades to build a fleet of that size, not to mention wherever the fuck they got the resources to build those ships. The Iron Islands would be Lannister-level rich if they had been building these ships for the Crown, so it makes no sense that nobody thought of it before.
Haha, oh god that would be great.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
They get away with timing problems because they operate under the assumption that not every scene is linear, but rather highlights of what is going on; allowing them to gloss over the traveling details and slower pace of the books. Theon could have been in Mereen for months for all we know.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
kind of silly how arya didn't find out about what's going on in the north until hot pie told her. she did impersonate walder frey for however long it took to poison all the freys.
TimeEffect
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So many people seem to be giving up on the books and living off the show
Are folks in here quitting/quit the books?
I dont remember what book Im on but Im reading about Adriana and Dorne's water wells
I dont want to give up but its hard to care knowing the show will spoil the end
Are folks in here quitting/quit the books?
I dont remember what book Im on but Im reading about Adriana and Dorne's water wells
I dont want to give up but its hard to care knowing the show will spoil the end
DarkJediKnight
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That's my issue with the writing for Littlefinger for the past 2 seasons. It's completely out of character. He would never go to the crypt and tell Jon that. Absolutely nothing good can come of it. He really gains nothing by it. Weak writing.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
the books are quick enough to read and there's enough stuff not even mentioned on the show, so end game spoilers don't really bother me.
The show doesn't even come close to matching the detail or number of plot threads the books have. I.e. Faigon
Admiral Woofington
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the show will actually finish though, so I'll take that.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That's not a finer detail, it would literally take like 10 years+ to build a fleet like that. I mean, the Spanish Armada was 130 ships. And it wasn't all warships; a bunch of them were just random frigates and shipping vessels. It's not like they didn't just build more ships because they couldn't find wood lying around; its because warships cost a fucking fortune and it takes fucking forever to build a warship.
John Dunbar
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i might be remembering completely wrong as it's been a long time since i read the books, but i seem to recall a baffling scene in one of them where littlefinger lies, probably to tyrion, that he in fact did fuck catelyn. seemed totally off.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That's in Storm of Swords. The widely accepted fan theory is that he literally believes it happened. Because what actually happened was he got drunk and had sex with Lysa Tully but deep in his cups he somehow convinced himself it was Catelyn. Lysa even confirms that he called her Cat the entire time they did it.
We know that it definitely did not actually happen since Catelyn's POV chapter indicates she lost her virginity to Ned.
cj_iwakura
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I just worry that the show's changes have GRRM stressing.
I want to know how hot pie knew before tyrion and possibly varys
Admiral Woofington
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the show actually finishing if anything have likely made it where he won't feel as rushed anymore as people have "A" conclusion so many fans will be satisfied with that.
Hot pie is just a man
a man with many pies.
Not making the fleet makes sense to me.
Capable Westerosi buyers either don't need more ships (Highgarden), or wouldn't get an offer from Balon Greyjoy (Crown/Lannisters). People in Essos that had money seemed into their own thing (Qarth), or also had their own ships (slavers).
I can understand not making ships for themselves since they were defeated twice under Balon. Might not be eager to build up your fleet to go start more shit and get defeated a third time.
But yeah, being able to do it at all that quickly doesn't make sense.
How could Sansa take the Vale knights?
Gabriel_Logan
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How fucked up would it be if the wolfpack ate Arya like when that bear ate that dude in the Edge.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
where did tyrion get a raven that knows how to fly to winterfell
I was totally waiting for that
Well, I have to say that after being really critical of the last 2, or maybe even 3 seasons (basically after they killed of the best villain in any show ever) I really liked the first 2 episodes. Lots of great dialogue, no unnecessary nudity or violence and some really creative camera work/scenes. I really hope it stays that way.
Admiral Woofington
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Unless Littlefinger threatens that they'll leave, I am still failing to see the point of Varys divulging this information. Having Jon grateful seems like an unnecessary benefit at this exact moment, later on though? That'd be extremely useful.
Telling Jon of Littlefinger's betrayal would only be useful if:
1. The North is adamant to not trust Dany, on which he promises information on their former Warden of the North's betrayer for their allegiance (possible I guess)
2. Littlefinger attempts to seduce Sansa to his side, which he is failing at since she keeps him at arm's length, and Jon needs to win her back.
3. He is using the Vale Knights as a bargaining chip to hold power in these negotiations and future decisions, which would cause problem for Danny.
4. "Swear your allegiance and we will give you the name of the one who betrayed your father and caused his death" ??
Any of these can happen, but entirely depends on how they decide to write the confrontation. And knowing that Jon NEEDS the allegiance, it'd be so much simpler to go
"We need your help with the White Walkers"
"We need YOUR help with the Cersei problem"
"I can't spare the North's armies while the White Walkers are a threat"
"I can't spare my army while Cersei is a threat"
"Let's have an allegiance for now, give me dragon glass and I'll swear I won't interfer. Depending on the outcome of the White Walkers incident, I will consider swearing my allegiance".
Gabriel_Logan
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Lets see if Tarly is as good as a solider as his reputation and doesn't fall for the trick of chasing the Horse nomads.
Gabriel_Logan
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I think we all know LIttlefinger is going to die soon because of course he is, but wouldn't it be awesome if he had some crazy scheme going on? Like he's secretly corresponding with the Night King?
I remember in the books it was a big deal for Cersei to commission new ships for King's Landing. Looking it up, there were apparently TWELVE ships left after the Battle of the Blackwater, so Cersei orders them to build TEN more. Keep in mind that there is protest against this idea because the crown doesn't have a lot of money, and building even a few ships is a costly endeavor. According to the ASOIAF wiki, they are built rather quickly: "three of the ships are nearing completion after what seems to be no more than a few weeks of time". Then Aurane steals them and becomes king of the pirates.
pseuronhas1000ships
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I guess watching a eunuch attempt to have sex was just essential.
Psychoward
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Ya know, I hate the internet notoriety the term has gathered, but why is it that almost all of the worst parts of the show happened in some part due to fanfiction cucking.
we've got
ellaria/sand snakes and the dornish ruler who I'm blanking on right now
melisandre and stannis (this one still bothers me the most)
brienne beating the hound
jamie and cersei
we've got
ellaria/sand snakes and the dornish ruler who I'm blanking on right now
melisandre and stannis (this one still bothers me the most)
brienne beating the hound
jamie and cersei
The raven had access to the telepetyr.
Psychoward
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why did tyrion's raven get to winterfell around the same time as the other letter that was sent well before then and much closer
why has the night's watch not yet sent a letter that bran is there