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[Omnistalgic]

Propel not like the detection of SP and that's find but this is not a lack of content.

Seriously, this will take me forever to finish. And if it could actually improve my driving IRL? I'm in...

I definitely get the concern, but for some reason I'm just in. If it's boring, it's whatever, I'll play around with beautiful cars in scapes, but after a few circuits in DriveClub, I definitely got bored of that pretty early on. I'm not sure another rags to riches campaign would have gotten me to play more than 3-4 hours.

dunno, just less pessimistic I guess.

 

[Omnistalgic]

I only got aggressive in tone in this thread. I was calling the campaign like it is, glorified license tests. That is not trashing. That's exactly what they are.

I did not say it is exactly like SFV, but the funny thing is a lot of it is mirroring SFV, even including your post just now. SFV did not "lack content" at launch as well according to some people that were defending it, referring to survival modes, character stories and trials, and that seems to be exactly what's going on with the campaign mode for this game as well. Content that's lacking in comparison to past entries is being exaggerated and referred to as being some sort of an equal to past games when all they've done is just double the number of license tests basically.

Everything I've read does not sound like 'doubling license" test. But whatever man, agree to disagree.

I like the change. I think they could have balanced it out more and put in some nostalgic elements, but I'm definitely ok with the direction and willing to try it out.

 

[MaDKaT]

Everything I've read does not sound like 'doubling license" test. But whatever man, agree to disagree.

I like the change. I think they could have balanced it out more and put in some nostalgic elements, but I'm definitely ok with the direction and willing to try it out.

It's the sequel to GTrologue we have always wanted. I can't wait.

 

[Servbot24]

Everything I've read does not sound like 'doubling license" test. But whatever man, agree to disagree.

I like the change. I think they could have balanced it out more and put in some nostalgic elements, but I'm definitely ok with the direction and willing to try it out.

What could you call it other than license tests? That seems to be strictly what it is.

I enjoy the tests, as a side mode. Not the whole game.

Yes it's an online game, but you can't blame fans of a game that had single player focus for 2 decades being disappointed that it changed direction. We waited several years for something we didn't want, and may have to wait several more years for what we wanted.

 

[jayu26]

I only got aggressive in tone in this thread. I was calling the campaign like it is, glorified license tests. That is not trashing. That's exactly what they are.

I did not say it is exactly like SFV, but the funny thing is a lot of it is mirroring SFV, even including your post just now. SFV did not "lack content" at launch as well according to some people that were defending it, referring to survival modes, character stories and trials, and that seems to be exactly what's going on with the campaign mode for this game as well. Content that's lacking in comparison to past entries is being exaggerated and referred to as being some sort of an equal to past games when all they've done is just double the number of license tests basically.

I don't know what you are talking about with lack of single player content. I was looking at that video and all I could think was that it's going to take me weeks to get through even if I could sink in few hours everyday.

I understand why some of you are upset. It is what it is and it will review on the basis of what it is.

As for me, I am excited to learn proper racing etiquettes. I do get lazy when playing against AI and start bumping if I think I can get gold medal. Hence, I will probably end up finishing the single player stuff before testing my skills online.

 

[farisr]

I don't know what you are talking about with lack of single player content. I was looking at that video and all I could think was that it's going to take me weeks to get through even if I could sink in few hours everyday.

Then I guess the license tests in past GT games lasted you a few weeks as well because that's what the majority of the missions are like here.

 

[Shambalakan]

I think it's totally unfair to criticize GT Sport for the lack of a proper career mode, since PD from the start said this was not a proper sequel to GT6 aka not a mainline series' game.

Actually (to the best of my knowledge) PD never promised a deep single player mode, not even via DLC. What they set out to achieve was to build an online focused racer to a competitive crowd, and it seems they are keeping that promise.

Of course I'd like to have a meaty GT7 this late on the PS4 life but that is not what this game is about.

Hopefully the community will thrive and love for GT will be rekindled.

You were right my friend, if GTS was a 2015 game. But we are in 2017 and people like me who love career mode can't enjoy new GT after 4 years. I don't think GT7 will be available before 2019, so we should wait at least 6 years for a mainline GT with career! This is unfair.
I LOVE GT series and it's in my top 3 game franchises. But as I said before, I hope to see failure with GTS because I fear about future of this series and don't want to see GT as an online game.

 

[Gouda Jouji]

You were right my friend, if GTS was a 2015 game. But we are in 2017 and people like me who love career mode can't enjoy new GT after 4 years. I don't think GT7 will be available before 2019, so we should wait at least 6 years for a mainline GT with career! This is unfair.
I LOVE GT series and it's in my top 3 game franchises. But as I said before, I hope to see failure with GTS because I fear about future of this series and don't want to see GT as an online game.

Wanting a game to fail because it's not what you wanted is a bit much isn't it?

Anyway, with today's info release I think we have all 17 circuit locations:

Real World Circuits
Autodromo Jose Carlos Pace (Brazil)
Brands Hatch (United Kingdom)
Mount Panoroma Motor Racing Circuit (Australia)
Nurburgring (Germany)
Suzuka Circuit (Japan)
Willow Springs International Raceway (USA)

Original Circuits
Alsace (France)
Autodrome Lago Maggiore (Italy/Switzerland)
BB Raceway (Unknown)
Blue Moon Bay (Unknown)
Dragon Trail International Raceway (Unknown)
Kyoto Driving Park (Japan)
Northern Ilse Speedway (Unknown)
Tokyo Expressway (Japan)

Off Road Circuits
Colorado Springs (USA)
Fisherman's Ranch (Unknown)
Sardegna (Italy)

 

[Mobius 1]

DragonTrail is in Croatia, I saw it confirmed in one of the menu screens.

 

[IISANDERII]

My son asked me about this yesterday, knowing I've always bought GT. I said I wasn't sure if I'd get this one as I don't like online racing (forza is rage inducing for me with everyone using me as a handy brake on corners)

If the single player mode is scant I'll probably get Forza 7 instead

online racing in Forza sucks compared to GT.

 

[Fredrik]

You were right my friend, if GTS was a 2015 game. But we are in 2017 and people like me who love career mode can't enjoy new GT after 4 years. I don't think GT7 will be available before 2019, so we should wait at least 6 years for a mainline GT with career! This is unfair.
I LOVE GT series and it's in my top 3 game franchises. But as I said before, I hope to see failure with GTS because I fear about future of this series and don't want to see GT as an online game.

Nah, failing would probably mean a close down of the studio like with Evolution, we don't want that.
I just want the reviewers to be truthful and critizice the game where needed so PD listen and give us a career mode through DLC or something. This is like SFV, it's half a game. This is a wonderful and pretty half of a game, but it's still not a full-fledge game and PD need to understand that they can't work 4 years on a game and release something like this and expect the same response as when they release their usual AAA stuff. I'll gladly support them when they finally get me the campaign mode I want but until then I'll be enjoying Project Cars 2 and Forza 7 instead. Beautiful game though but I guess I'll be enjoying the Sunhi gifs this time.

 

[Fredrik]

online racing [snip] sucks

That's my problem. I just don't enjoy playing online. This is the SFV situation all over, it really makes me genuinely sad, can't really see myself enjoy this game as it is, I just have to hope the response is as chilly as with SFV so they add a campaign mode later on. PD need to cater to their original fans too, and this isn't a prologue GT, they've had 4 years to work on this, after 4 years I think they could've found the time to add a campaign mode too. But I should've read up on the info I guess, I've been googling now and it's not really news, I've just not payed attention to PD's focus this time.

 

[benzy]

That's my problem. I just don't enjoy playing online. This is the SFV situation all over, it really makes me genuinely sad, can't really see myself enjoy this game as it is, I just have to hope the response is as chilly as with SFV so they add a campaign mode later on. PD need to cater to their original fans too, and this isn't a prologue GT, they've hade 4 years to work on this, after 4 years I think they could've found the time to add a campaign mode too. But I should've read up on the info I guess, I've been googling now and it's not really news, I've just not payed attention to PD's focus this time.

They do have a campaign mode with over 200+ events. A lot of the critic and fan complaints of GT5/6 is that the campaign was the same old stuff from previous entries, so I guess we can thank them for PD changing it up now. This doesn't seem at all like SFV though which didn't even include an arcade mode until a year+ after launch.

Arcade mode in GTS has a custom event and hopefully that means what people think it means.

 

[Xater]

So after all this time they were able to make a bare bones MP game with a way too long tutorial ad an excuse for a campaign? Is this a joke? When I look at what the Forza people deliver this is not a good look. They completely lost sight of also making a fun game out of the simulation.

 

[Fredrik]

They do have a campaign mode with over 200+ events. A lot of the critic and fan complaints of GT5/6 is that the campaign was the same old stuff from previous entries, so I guess we can thank them for PD changing it up now. This doesn't seem at all like SFV though which didn't even include an arcade mode until a year+ after launch.

Arcade mode in GTS has a custom event and hopefully that means what people think it means.

I don't get why you change something that sells this well. I mean... just... Why??
Sure some people probably complained but how many didn't? In this thread we've heard people say thet GT races are dull, I've not once thought that. GT is by far the best when it comes to the campaign mode. The other ones think we all want to start with a sports car from the start. Couldn't be more wrong than that. I love the GT career mode and feeling of progression when you go from a Nissan Sunny tuning it like crazy to a Dodge Viper or whatever. Strip that away and I'm like "Wait...what...where is my GT??".
As for arcade mode, I've never played the arcade mode in previous GT's, that's not what GT is about for me. It's really sad to say but I guess this game simply isn't for me anymore.

 

[Xater]

I don't get why you change something that sells this well. I mean... just... Why??
Sure some people probably complained but how many didn't? In this thread we've heard people say thet GT races are dull, I've not once thought that. GT is by far the best when it comes to the campaign mode. The other ones think we all want to start with a sports car from the start. Couldn't be more wrong than that. I love the GT career mode and feeling of progression when you go from a Nissan Sunny tuning it like crazy to a Dodge Viper or whatever. Strip that away and I'm like "Wait...what...where is my GT??".
As for arcade mode, I've never played the arcade mode in previous GT's, that's not what GT is about for me. It's really sad to say but I guess this game simply isn't for me anymore.

I think their campaign became stake, but this is not the solution.

 

[matrix-cat]

The 'it's a spinoff' argument doesn't really fly when this is the only Gran Turismo game that's being worked on. Spinoff, main entry; whatever you want to call it, it is the next Gran Turismo game and at the speed PD moves it will more than likely be the only Gran Turismo game that comes out on the PS4. As someone who likes singleplayer campaigns, Sunday Cups and car collecting and doesn't play multiplayer games (I don't even have PS+), I'm basically shit out of luck here for an entire console generation.

 

[SPCTRE]

I'm really curious to see how this will sell, I'm under the impression that it should do very, very well because of the strength of the brand alone

 

[Xater]

I'm really curious to see how this will sell, I'm under the impression that it should do very, very well because of the strength of the brand alone

It will sell based on the name alone. The actual reception will be interesting to see. I have definitely moved it off my to buy list after this round if previews.

 

[AstroNut325]

Do we have any stats on how many people completed the campaigns in GT5 and/or GT6?

 

[KennyLinder]

Do we have any stats on how many people completed the campaigns in GT5 and/or GT6?

You could look at Trophy rarity data to get a good indication on that.

 

[Xater]

Do we have any stats on how many people completed the campaigns in GT5 and/or GT6?

A way more interesting statistic would be how many people at least played campaign, but never touched multiplayer. I bet that is a lot of people.

 

[MrCookiepants]

Kaz really has lost his mind if he thinks this is what fans want.

 

[Ennosuke]

Not convinced that this game will be better than Forza 7, but I like those tracks! Especially those Japanese tracks, Forza is totally lacking these.

 

[Gouda Jouji]

Do we have any stats on how many people completed the campaigns in GT5 and/or GT6?

Gran Turismo 6 (5,170,000 sold)

Novice Class: 70.4%
National B Class: 57.3%
National A Class: 43.7%
International B Class: 29.9%
International A Class: 15.9%

GT6 has another class of events after IA called "Super", but there isn't a trophy for it.

Gran Turismo 5 (11,950,000 sold)

Beginner Series: 21.7%
Amateur Series: 19.1%
Professional Series: 17.6%
Expert Series: 9.7%
Extreme Series: 4.5%
Endurance Series: 1.8%

There aren't any multiplayer trophies in either game so we can't use that to track anything.

 

[Renekton]

The G29 costs a kidney 😲 is there an alternative?

 

[xrnzaaas]

GT6, Initial release date: 5 December 2013.

It's taken PD nearly 4 whole years to release a... cut down version of GT. Wooo! Yeah, this is why people salty about the campaign, lack of cars and possibly less tracks than normal are extra salty. It's not like it's, okay, this is a meaty prologue and GT7 will come in... 2018. It's PD-Time, it should be rivalling Valve-Time by now. Except for Valve usually manages to always put out critically acclaimed masterpieces, GT has been dipping in reviews for a few iterations now. I sense Sport will be even lower than 6.

We'll probably just be drip fed cars we were racing in as standard in GT5/6 (premiums) as paid for DLC now, and a few extra tracks, for the next 2~3 years. Maybe this is PD's "plan" all along, micro-transactions baby! Why release all the content we did in 5/6 for $60 when we can charge $60 for Sport and then charge for all the DLC?! Genius. We've been giving away too much for too long.

Except this isn't a new IP from a studio, such as DC, which understandably had to start out with something. This is GT, a series fans have pumped hundreds of millions into and PD already have all the assets from 5/6 (premium cars) done to an extent where they are easily continued into a PS4 release. How do other franchises manage to carry their cars over between generations... I wonder... But AB, it's SPORT, not 7! Yeah, PD's choice to do this, no one demanded they try and split the brand into two and it's certainly a bold move if this is what they think will get GT back on track from it's dips in form, critically. The fans largely stuck by 5/6 dropping in reviews, but now more than ever the fans are bickering amongst themselves at this change in direction and there are lots unhappy.

/salt

I don't think what's happening is because they're greedy. It's more likely because Sony is not pushing them as much as the other studios and because they don't outsource stuff like modelling cars. We'll see how the game sells. If it sells as good as GT5 then they'll get a free pass and continue to operate in the same way. If it sell worse hopefully it will be a warning sign for some people at Sony and PD.

 

[Risk Breaker]

I remember when GT5 came out and a lot of people were concerned because the online was "barebones" and offline was "that fucking Sunday Cup again??".

At least I guess they're making great progress with GTS, since all the concerns regarding graphics and sound from previous threads are gone now, and it's now all about Dat Sunday Cup

I do believe that they should've bundled this together with a GT6 4K port/Remaster, though, that would be amazing and it would've sold like hotcakes.

I'm looking forward to the online even as a long-time fan. Having a good online is a must in 2017, and I remember all the Overwatch concerns because that didn't have any singleplayer content either, but it did just fine.

 

[Caipirinha]

Come review time we will see how big the campaign is .
Not like it matters to me since i going to be playing online most of the time.
Even if i suck at racing games lol .

Rightly or wrongly you know that this game will not be able to score more than8.5, possible even more than 8, due to the campaign?

Small/absent campaign = -2 points minimum, regardless of the game or genre or anything else. It's reviewer convention this gen.

 

[SPCTRE]

bundled this together with a GT6 4K port/Remaster, though, that would be amazing and it would've sold like hotcakes.

pardon my ignorance, I skipped GT6

did GT6 have two tiers of cars the way GT5 did? (what did they call the high-poly ones, "Premium" models?)

 

[Risk Breaker]

pardon my ignorance, I skipped GT6

did GT6 have two tiers of cars the way GT5 did? (what did they call the high-poly ones, "Premium" models?)

I skipped GT6 too, but yes, I believe it did. The standard cars (some at least) were significantly improved from GT5, but we're still there.

 

[Xater]

Rightly or wrongly you know that this game will not be able to score more than8.5, possible even more than 8, due to the campaign?

Small/absent campaign = -2 points minimum, regardless of the game or genre or anything else. It's reviewer convention this gen.

If Forza continues to deliver the full package on a bi-yearly basis, you can bet this game will be criticized for it's content.

 

[Fox Mulder]

If Forza continues to deliver the full package on a bi-yearly basis, you can bet this game will be criticized for it's content.

Turn 10 took their content hit with Forza 5. It was a xb1 launch title that got slammed for cut content and was the lowest rated in the series. Will be interesting how that is received from GT in 2017.

 

[Gouda Jouji]

New Sport mode UI:

 

[Razgreez]

GT has matured and its creator(s) have plotted a different direction than what (some) fans have expected. The real question is whether or not that is the right direction. Only time will tell.

From my personal perspective, the most fun I've had recently with a racing game has been with Driveclub. Bear in mind that even though I have yet to, and may never, touch the multiplayer portion of it I have definitely benefited from it. How so? Well, in the process of "completing" the game (completing all the events) I've ended up spending an inordinate amount time beating corning, speed and drift challenges - even after the/an event was completed successfully. Heaven forbid the game inserted the ghost of somebody on my friends list with a quicker laptime than myself. It would instantly become my mission to destroy said time/lap.

The point of this passage? Well I bought Driveclub because it seemed like a fun game in which to fling fast cars around fantasy tracks. The simcade driving model was fair and realistic enough to be satisfying and the graphics and sound were great (even though the image quality would let it down somewhat). I did not buy into the actual "club" or social aspects of DC. And yet those ended up being what I enjoyed the most.

GT, at least with Sport, has, similarly, moved away from the conventional carpg format. In my opinion that's all for the better. PD could have stuck with a carpg campaign or moved towards the "life of a racer" style one. Both are just too much work/effort.

Teach racers to driver properly and then keep them engaged with evolving challenges and events. That's far more engaging and entertaining in both single and multiplayer formats.

 

[Fredrik]

If Forza continues to deliver the full package on a bi-yearly basis, you can bet this game will be criticized for it's content.

This has nothing to do with Forza, it's already being criticized, right here and on many other places in the world after these previews, for it's own problems in comparison to how previous GT's has been.
I don't know, maybe PD was too vague on how the offline single player content would be this time? This all seems like news even though it clearly shouldn't be at this point. I think they need to officially adress this somehow, assure the old fans that they're planning a career mode (even though they haven't started working on it yet) or it'll be a very noisy release.

I honestly don't get why so many devs now assume that people only want multiplayer. It's an unfortunate evolution of gaming in general imo. There are still millions of us who only play offline. The idea to put online behind a paywall certainly didn't help either.

 

[KdotIX]

Ill be turning to Forza 7 for the campaign content and the online leagues (missed out on the gaf league for Forza 6). I know that's not a possibility for some people, but there's also PCars2, AC and the new F1 game. Regardless of your tastes, this year is a great year for racing fans - there will be something out there that will cater to people's needs.

What are people thinking about the livery editor in GT? Could it rival that of Forza's? If there's a fully functioning import image feature that would be so good.

 

[danowat]

Ill be turning to Forza 7 for the campaign content

Yeah, if you are lucky enough to own both platforms, FM7 and GT:S will compliment each other quite well.

Even if you don't own both platforms, GT:S and PC2 should also compliment each other too.

You don't have to play one or the other.

 

[DieH@rd]

The G29 costs a kidney 😲 is there an alternative?

T150 is Thrustmaster's version of legendary Driving Force GT.

 

[Maintenance]

 

 

[Fredrik]

PD could have stuck with a carpg campaign or moved towards the "life of a racer" style one. Both are just too much work/effort.

They've been working on it for 4 years...
Project Cars 1+2 and Forza Motorsport 6+7 have been released during the same period, with no content stripped away because it's too much work/effort.
Worst excuse ever.

 

[KdotIX]

Yeah, if you are lucky enough to own both platforms, FM7 and GT:S will compliment each other quite well.

Even if you don't own both platforms, GT:S and PC2 should also compliment each other too.

You don't have to play one or the other.

Let's also add that FM7 will also be releasing on PC and the minimum specs appear to be quite modest as T10 seem to have really optimised their engine and have claimed that it is "built from the ground up" for PC and Xbox One X. So that's another entry route.

 

[danowat]

Let's also add that FM7 will also be releasing on PC and the minimum specs appear to be quite modest as T10 seem to have really optimised their engine and have claimed that it is "built from the ground up" for PC and Xbox One X. So that's another entry route.

Indeed, I always forget that Forza in on PC too!

 

[Razgreez]

They've been working on it for 4 years...
Project Cars 1+2 and Forza Motorsport 6+7 have been released during the same period, with no content stripped away because it's too much work/effort.
Worst excuse ever.

Work/effort... for the player. Not the developer XD. It's a slog getting through it

 

[Inviusx]

Single player content is ridiculously thin yet the development time has been just as long as any main line GT game and probably cost equal or more to make it.

 

[Tomeru]

They've been working on it for 4 years...
Project Cars 1+2 and Forza Motorsport 6+7 have been released during the same period, with no content stripped away because it's too much work/effort.
Worst excuse ever.

Some people just can't accept change...

 

[Mexen]

Do not even care about the naysayers. I am getting this.

 

[l2ounD]

So good!

 

[Fredrik]

Some people just can't accept change...

Not when it's getting worse. No. Why should I?
Think back on your comment the next time you don't like the evolution of a game serie, be that FF, GTA, Zelda, whatever is your passion.

 

[Tomeru]

Not when it's getting worse. No. Why should I?
Think back on your comment the next time you don't like the evolution of a game serie, be that FF, GTA, Zelda, whatever is your passion.

I'm sorry, I didn't know you're from the future. I'll think before I speak next time.