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Love Boat 2 [Mafia] |OT| Electric Boogalove

I'm examining the lead up to the Orb vote a bit, and of the people who were on that train at the end, a few stick out to me:

1. Crimson, I digged at him with my earlier post a little already:

But what is worth more, a coasting pair or a coasting pair who admits to coasting intentionally, which is pretty anti-town in the end? I don't see how Orb and Edge are the better choice, they made a few posts here and there at least which didn't involve a gambit that didn't deserve to be called one.

2. kingkitty. For similar reasons, listed both Karks pair and Orbs pair as slightly suspicious in their reads list, I don't see why one would take Orb over Kark.

3. dr. worm. His vote post was pretty bare bones, and he even mentioned that Kark was leaning townie for him. Even more weird than the previous two, because I don't know how one comes to that conclusion. Both pairs were pretty much equally coasting.

4. verelios. No real explanation, really. Even mentions that he finds it weird that Kark is not getting much pushback but not delivering on it himself.

Sorian tried to provoke a race between two pairs instead of one, dragonz had that vote locked in way early, ouro mistakenly thought he was breaking a tie, and xbro voted out of self-preservation, so they don't really stick out to me.

Crimson is skimming the two categories, might have been a similar case as Ouro. Not sure.
 

Verelios

Member
Here's an accurate example of me phrasing Flush as a coaster and fluffer.
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245134611"]Hi everybody![br][br][br]Nothing. Very neutral answer.[br][br][br][br]I see. We're 2 hours in and I already get triggered by your posts. Don't ask me why.[/quote]
First post settles me as a target/distraction.
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245135115"]It always shows Day -1 because I can't be arsed to fix that purely cosmetic bug :p[br][br]On desktop I'd tell you to hit ctrl+f5 but as you're on mobile, I'm not sure what you can do... Maybe try emptying your cache.[/quote]
Empty fluff
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245233411"]Are you serious? Have we been playing different games for the last 3 or so years? I can't remember a single time where a D1 "No Lynch" proposal had any malicious intention behind. Usually it's some newbies who quickly have the whole thread against them. How exactly is this helping their agenda?[br][br]Also, "they didn't coordinate well"? I don't know what you and XBro are doing in there, but I can tell you that I would be very surprised if anyone cleared every proposal they make with their partner.[br][br][br]That depends on how much effort I decide to put into the game. You can read my most recent games (Arkham Asylum and Danganrompa 3) and will find a mix of more elaborate posts and immediate reactions. As for TsuXna: Don't ask me. He made one post in our chat before the game started and since then apparently is in Blackout mode.[br][br][br]Don't be. Coasters you let slip through win games for Scum. Just remember that a low post count often related to but not synonymous for coasting.[/quote]
Here is an example of providing 'conversation' while talking in generalities. Doesn't say anything particularly relevant to scum hunting but gives a feeling of contributing.
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245235451"]Dafuq is this post? Whataboutism of the highest order followed by a "To my credit, but I wont OMGUS you"... Your partner is posting an awful lot of nothings. Me, my partner, FEP or anyone else have nothing to do with this. Don't try to normalize his behavior.[br][br][br]That trauma never ends, does it? Here, have a banana:[br][br][br][br]As in "trying to bait Scum"?[br][br]And yes, if it comes from a newbie and somebody else already got in their face for it (like in virtually every single game), I will just assume it was the naivity we all had in our first game and let it go. It's not like a veteran had proposed a no lynch.[/quote]
Seemingly got scummoned/triggered for being called out for coasting, which he was so...
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245242795"]Okay, let me get this straight: You're saying your partner doesn't need to justify their opinions if they align with opinions you already voiced and justified? That's a valid opinion, I guess. Although it kind of defeats the "four eyes see more than two" principle if he's just sheeping you. This point also didn't come through at all in your initial response to Sophia (at least not for me).[br][br]And here comes the "but": I'd like to hear his thoughts. In this game we have this unique situation of two players linked together. I know you are a strong player and I can't read you for shit. I don't need your partner to act as your third arm, I want to analyze him. And if all he does is following your lead, it kind of looks as if you are afraid he might break.[br][br][br]On a completely different note: Some of you have pointed out low activity/content posters, but Trigger slipped through the cracks somehow (as far as I remember). He has only one post and that has zero content. Ty4on is salvaging the team rn, but keep an eye on them.[/quote]
'Quality' post where Flush gives an opinion, mingles into the current conversation and then brings up someone with less points than him as a target.
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245271823"]When did using the term "potshot" become a thing here, btw? I had to google it when I first read it.[br][br][br]Then I don't get your point at all. a) I didn't see Sophia giving us a free pass at all, just not focusing on us specifically and b) The key difference between nothing-posts and no posts is that nothing-posters for sure could have contributed if they wanted but chose not to; no-posters could just have been busy.[br][br][br]That's probably the weirdest stance I've seen in this game so far. What harm does it do if you disclose your non-PR related discussions?[br][br][br]____[br][br]Maybe I'll find time for a more extensive look this evening. If not than on Saturday (very lucky day end time imo)[/quote]
...More helpful advice? And Sophia's name comes up quite a lot in these posts. This is a nothing post though... it's just an explanation without any direction.
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245285506"]You're contradicting yourself here.[br][br][br]Can't say I agree with the bolded. Tons of people have called the argument "manufactured" and have wondered about WAMD's behavior especially.[/quote]
This was already mentioned, but 'tons' of people did not find their behavior manufactured, it was pretty much just two. So...where did you hear tons? And from whom?
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245336178"]Okay, let's play another round of "let's weed out the coasters" with your favorite host, Royal_Flush.[br][br]I will leave any joke- or shitposts for the following post lists. Most of the time also content light one-liners.[br][br][br]First of, the obvious "There is fuck all because there are no posts":[br]SexyFish: One post[br]Nin1000: Away[br]TsuXna: Completely MIA[br][br]I will ignore them from now. Thanks to the minimum posting requirement they will get replaced if they don't show up.[br][br][br]The "A few posts; let's see if there actually is anything":[br]TheExodu5: Excuses+light shade to Crimson and Nothing. Way to go, buddy.[br][br]Darryl: Decent post, later elaboration, "interesting" view on Sorian, later elaboration. Not as much as I hoped for, but new ideas. Gets a pass for now.[br][br]StarSketch: Nothing, Nothing, light defense of Ouro. Everyone else would be hardcore coasting, but StarSketch is just being StarSketch, I guess. Null.[br][br]Trigger: Decent reads list (Not even the easiest subjects), asking questions when criticized, and the rest of the posts also are poking questions. Easy pass.[br][br]XBro: The good old "Let's retell the last couple of pages and throw some easy opinion in", General post, neutral explanation. Step up your game. I need hard opinions on people from you.[br][br]Karkador: Valid question concerning his partner, easy read on WAMD/kits, slight shade on kits(?) and later denying it. If it wasn't supposed to be shade the posts are nothing. Not good enough.[br][br][br]The "more posts than absolutely necessary, but they are mostly nothing":[br]TheWorthyEdge: Easy comment, shade at Dragonz, backpedaling, 50/50 post (the parts not about kits/dragonz actually are worthwile), nothing, easy. Pretty thin.[br][br]kingkitty: Defense against weird accusation, good post, follow-up, I have no clue what this even means. not the best good post / nothing rating...[br][br]Orb: dragonz is town with 4 follow-up posts, suspicious of panda with several reaffirming posts after. Looks a bit like coasting but you are new, I have the impression you're trying. Pass for now.[br][br]Samuraischnecke: I was expecting a big empty hole here, but this post is actually really good. Unfortunately basically everything else is nothing. idk...[br][br]Fat4All: easy, obvious, philosophy classes with nin, responding to kark's shade on kits, Town reads samuraischnecke/muffin, asking easy questions about WAMD/kits, shade at WAMD, kind of backpedaling. Summary: Surely picks the easy fights.[br][br][br]Solid (or at least okayish) contributions:[br]FEP (feels good)[br]Verelios (but I still feel a bit strange about his posts; something just keeps triggering my alarm bell)[br]Fireblend[br][br][br]The weird ones:[br]kitsunelaine: Other than the argument with WAMD and dealing with the aftermath there really is next to nothing. The thing is: I kind of feel like that's okay at the moment because that's just where all the focus was naturally. Please spread out a biz in the future, thanks.[br][br][br]Everybody I didn't write down:[br]I always underestimate how long these bloody things take to make. I'm also afraid this post didn't bring as much new insights as I hoped; most of the players I found already are on several radars except maybe Fat4All. I went the post count list upwards and didn't even make it to the really interesting players before 1am... Well, I guess I have to continue Saturday. Good night.[br][br]Also, small sidenote: Is this a GAFia first? Sorian and Sophia both not in the top 3 posters?[/quote]
The irony is palpable.
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245336457"]Oh, I see, Sophia already is onto Fat4All. Well, then there are literally no breaking news from my post. What a shame.[/quote]
Hmmmm, how many times has Sophia's name come up again? And regurgitates the fact that he 'did' do something useful.
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245366161"]At work skimming the thread. Don't expect very much today from me.[br][br][br]Heavy Meta[br][br][br]Maybe the formating is a bit unlucky, but when taking out the ones I give a pass we're only at 6 coasters.[br][br][br][br]You know what? this single post here convinced me more that you're not W/W with kits than the whole kits/dragonz incident.[/quote]
Quaint and a bit of a nothing burger.
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245452461"]Jesus Christ, I'm away for one night and there are almost 400 posts to sift through... I'll just quickly comment on the major points:[br][br]Crimsonphia still doing top-notch work.[br][br]Ouro has been all over the place. Lynching the players who move the game forward because they have the most interactions? No shit they do. How are you going to find Scum by lynching Town, though?[br][br]Dr. Worm specifically stood out to me for shitposting.[br][br]Karkador: Just baffling.The batcomputer was more useful than this. The argument is nonsense.[br]vote: Karkador[br][br]Darryl vs. Fat4All: That was hilarious! Please go on, I want to see more of this. Those two are quite certainly not W/W, both parties seemed genuine baffled by the other's interpretation of scumhunting. Darryl actually sounds a bit hurt which could be because there is nothing more frustrating than being called out as Scum for something you don't see as scummy. Or it could just be Darryl being Darryl. If I had to decide for one side to be Scum it would probably be Fat4All based on my already existing reads. I'll have to check on Sorian today.[br][br]The great return of Nin went exactly as expected. NAI, sadly.[/quote][br]
So, guess thoughts on CrimsonPhia is that they're town. I'm surprised they haven't elaborated on why other than good posts. Also, good summary.
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245460009"]I've read Sorians post and they're... average. Not Sorian average, just normal average. On its own that wouldn't be enough to not wanting him to stay alive, but given Fat's performance, idk...[br][br]Also, I'm telling you right now: Something's off with Verelios' posts. They just don't feel right. I'll try to pin it down.[br][br][br]Other relevant point: Who am I willing to vote today:[br][m] Xbro & [m] Karkador (self explanatory)[br][m] Verelios & [f] WhereAreMahDragonz (dragonz absolutely not on top of her game and vere feeling odd. The latter is gut for now until I found out what's my problem with him)[br][br]Who I'd also go along with:[br][m] Ourobolus & [m] kingkitty (latest readlist by kingkitty was quite good, that's basically why they're not in the first category)[br][m] Natiko & [m] Nomadic Sparks (Not too sure about Natiko but Nomadic still is failing to make worthwile contributions)[br][br]If everything else fails (aka only if you completely abandon all reason and want to go after Crimsonphia or something):[br][m] Fat4all & [m] Sorian (Although not in this game so far, a early-game Sorian sometimes can save a game's pace; Fat4All is getting replaced, I'm willing to give them one last chance)[br][-] Darryl & [m] nin1000 (Kind of usual behavior for both I guess; Nin will stay probably at least a bit coast-y, so it wouldn't be that terrible)[br][m] Orb & [m] TheWorthyEdge (I personally lean towards "they're fine", but I'm not overly sure here.)[br][m] franconp & [m] Dr. Worm (franconp is okay, but I don't like Worm)[br][f] kitsunelaine & [m] flatearthpandas (FEP is okay, but kits didn't really expand her interaction radius beyond dragonz.[br] [f] StarSketch & [m] CzarTim (I mean, there is literally nothing gained interaction-wise, but i guess it's not the worst lynch?)[br][br]Completely off the table:[br][m] Muffin1611 & [f] Samuraischnecke (gut feeling very Town)[br][m] TheExodu5 & [m] Fireblend (Exodus is RL-busy, Fireblend left good impressions)[br][m] CrimsonFist & [f] Sophia (The MVP so far)[br][m] TsuXna & [m] Royal_Flush (myself)[br][m] Trigger & [m] Ty4on (both left good impressions)[/quote]
So...a psuedo read post. What's odd is how they walk back the vote for Sorian and their penchant for CrimsonPhia.
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245469189"]Come on now, "post" in the context of contributing always meant "non shitpost post"[/quote]
Okay
[quote ="Royal_Flush;245473806"]Okay, Verelios. Due to the lack of time I won't deal with dragonz right now; I agree with the consesus more or less anyway.[br][br]There are these three post at the beginning of the game: 1, 2, 3. When i read them I can't help but imagine a cartoony supervillain staring at his rat's maze and going "Oh, you dumb little creatures. Do you want the cheese? There, right in the mouse trap. Go on." I can't explain it any better, it's the subtext that presses my alarm. Like he knew more than us.[br][br]Then there are these three posts 1,2, 3, which are perfectly fine and good posts.[br][br]Then comes the second wave of posts where I just can't help but feel he's knowing more than I am: 1, 2[br][br]The next couple of posts are non-commital. I have to admit, they aren't nothing but they're not very strong either: 1, 2, 3, 4[br][br]There are also some posts that are just some factual statements: 1, 2, 3, 5[br][br][br]And then I had to hit "send" because the time was running out... It really is mostly hos tone that sets me off. Like we are the rats in his maze.[br][br]Also hos contributions aren't half as good as people seem to think they are.[/quote]
Really curious why those posts give you the feeling I know more than you. And you seem very interested in discrediting me for some reason, even just as the game began. I'm half interested in if this is because I dared to scum read CrimsonPhia or if it's because I was right.
 
ouro mistakenly thought he was breaking a tie

Actually, scratch that, that still doesn't explain why he voted Orb over Kark.

I just seriously don't know why you'd take the one over the other. At the single mention of letting Kark maybe a little longer a few sites before I got immediate visible pushback.
 
I just seriously don't know why you'd take the one over the other. At the single mention of letting Kark maybe a little longer a few sites before I got immediate visible pushback.

*letting Kark live maybe[...]

Also the post I referenced with the pushback was this one:

But isn't it the opposite? Wouldn't it be particularly useful to get as much reads as possible, or else D2 is barely different from D1?
 

Verelios

Member
You literally just insinuate this.



How is that not an attack on his posting quality?
It was an observation, and it was irrelevant to his posting content. I was saying what I felt about his posts, in reaction to his gut reaction.
Also, I thought his "arguments" were just "emotional semantics" that you weren't going to reply to? :
You're really interested so fine, I have nothing better to do at the moment so I might as well.

The replies I didn't quote I don't think I can add anything of worth.
Okay

Maybe you're right. And somebody of course has to ask these questions. But doing so is terribly NAI for both parties that it's a nothing in a post-death analysis. scum can do this with literally zero risk of giving Town post-death info. That's my point. Your point is (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that furthering more harmless conversation is valuable at the moment. I don't think the two points are in strict disagreement, we just value them differently.
A direct question to what someone wrote IS AI though, it's part of a conversation, part of a thread that will continue if we keep talking. What you're describing is actual fluff such as 'Im late today->oh man, how could you be late today's as opposed to 'I think this-> why would you think that?'. The latter is meaningful conversation to me, what about you?

Kark was an easy vote, no doubt. I also gave a full list of people I'd be willing to vote later that day. I voted him because at this rate he was dead weight, XBro didn't stand out for making particulary good content and I lost too many games to coasters to not go after low-quantity-low-quality player as early as possible. Because you will just overlook them later on. With Kark's calculated D1 gambits it's almost impossible to deduce his alignment.
So you're good to drop coasters, glad to know.


During D1 I noticed how several people explicitly didn't vote for dragonz because of you. You are a team. How one party perform directly influences how likely I am to vote for the other party because I can only vote for both. So yes, dragonz not doing much is an attack. But several people made it before me and I don't think I need to convince anybody of it anymore. So of course I focused on the party I seem(ed?) to be the only one to have a bad gut-feeling about.
The thing is, you pretty much waited until day end for any semblance of an argument when you had three days. I was there for every one. If you had a problem with my posts then maybe explain why. If you had a problem with my analysis then argue why. But you didn't. You sat on an odd feeling every once in a while and constructed a post against Dragonz based on what everyone else has said. So yeah, you didn't really focus on me at all.
 
If you're all curious on why I'm so bad at this, it's because this is my ""first"" full Mafia game

My first one "the anime mafia" I had to abandon because I was banned
The second mafia the name which I completely forgot was because I subbed in for someone and completed with a win for town

I can't read people all that well because I'm still very new to this :(
 
[wall of literal text]
Did you do that on purpose? I tried my best to read it. Many valid points. Again, I'm not denying that I haven't been the most useful D1.

Yes, I am very convinced that Crimsonphia are Town. Do you have a problem with this?

The analysis in fact also proves my point that I'm self aware enough to know that my coasters-post wasn't as useful as I hoped it would turn out. The only thing I think you're really wrong is how you dismissed my confrontation with Natiko as getting triggered for being called out.
 

Sophia

Member
It was an observation, and it was irrelevant to his posting content. I was saying what I felt about his posts, in reaction to his gut reaction.

You're really interested so fine, I have nothing better to do at the moment so I might as well.

Calling it an "observation" does not change the fact that you attacked him over the contents and quality of his posts, then turned around and said you weren't doing just that.

Also, that was not a challenge. I was merely pointing out the fact that you implied you weren't going to reply to his post above, then proceeded to do just that at #1724.

Also, also, I'm not reading that messed up post.
 
A direct question to what someone wrote IS AI though, it's part of a conversation, part of a thread that will continue if we keep talking. What you're describing is actual fluff such as 'Im late today->oh man, how could you be late today's as opposed to 'I think this-> why would you think that?'. The latter is meaningful conversation to me, what about you?
It is conversation that may or may not lead to something. But I also think that if person B flips Scum we can't say anything about person A's alignment. What about you?

The thing is, you pretty much waited until day end for any semblance of an argument when you had three days. I was there for every one. If you had a problem with my posts then maybe explain why. If you had a problem with my analysis then argue why. But you didn't. You sat on an odd feeling every once in a while and constructed a post against Dragonz based on what everyone else has said. So yeah, you didn't really focus on me at all.
Focus during the analysis. Not during the day. I had a gut feeling very early, posted about it and then moved on. But after getting triggered for the xth time I wanted to investigate where it could come from. How exactly is that a problem?
 

Verelios

Member
Calling it an "observation" does not change the fact that you attacked him over the contents and quality of his posts, then turned around and said you weren't doing just that.
You're misinterpreting me. I said I wasn't attacking his argument with the quality of his posts, which I wasn't. As for whatever feeling I have for him, yeah I felt it was pretty hypocritical so I said so.
Also, that was not a challenge. I was merely pointing out the fact that you implied you weren't going to reply to his post above, then proceeded to do just that at #1724.
What wasn't a challenge? I initially wasn't going to but since you guys were interested and I had time, I did.
Also, also, I'm not reading that messed up post.
*Shrug, not like I can force you to do anything
Did you do that on purpose? I tried my best to read it. Many valid points. Again, I'm not denying that I haven't been the most useful D1.
Didn't do it on purpose, it was an accident.
Yes, I am very convinced that Crimsonphia are Town. Do you have a problem with this?
None, you guys work well in tandem.
The analysis in fact also proves my point that I'm self aware enough to know that my coasters-post wasn't as useful as I hoped it would turn out. The only thing I think you're really wrong is how you dismissed my confrontation with Natiko as getting triggered for being called out.
I mean, it's possible I'm wrong, that was just my interpretation.
 

Verelios

Member
It is conversation that may or may not lead to something. But I also think that if person B flips Scum we can't say anything about person A's alignment. What about you?
Depends on what the question was and their attitude afterwards. If they're negative or positive says a lot, no?

Focus during the analysis. Not during the day. I had a gut feeling very early, posted about it and then moved on. But after getting triggered for the xth time I wanted to investigate where it could come from. How exactly is that a problem?
Not a problem, per se, just saying that you've had all the time to get involved and ask questions when you feel bad but didn't. I usually directly question a person I feel bad about, but ok.
 
Everybody knows that all this analysis of the votes are useless, right?

At least until we know Kark's aligment.

I heavily disagree. Giving consistent explanation to your vote is important. Weird looking voting changes are also worth looking at.

I actually assumed that someone would be doing that already and question my maneuver at the end there, hence I got that explanation out already.
 
Depends on what the question was and their attitude afterwards. If they're negative or positive says a lot, no?
I was talking about neutral attitude, because the questions you asked were in a fairly neutral attitude. If the question aims at confrontation or provides help its more AI.


Not a problem, per se, just saying that you've had all the time to get involved and ask questions when you feel bad but didn't. I usually directly question a person I feel bad about, but ok.
If you can come up with a question that addresses "I have a bad feeling about this post but I can't put my finger on the reason yet" where you wouldn't just laugh at me please tell me. Because I'm eager to use it next time.
 

Dr. Worm

Banned
Right now I'm thinking we shouldn't say what it is, because it's perhaps better to keep it a secret for their next target - and hope they hit scum.

So, to whoever it was, I think I get why you did it, but don't out yourself.

so, you think they're a neutral?

assuming this isn't a gambit, it would be curious if Burb were to recycle the same neutral schtick from the first Love Boat. maybe he's just subversive in his laziness like that
 

franconp

Member
I heavily disagree. Giving consistent explanation to your vote is important. Weird looking voting changes are also worth looking at.

I actually assumed that someone would be doing that already and question my maneuver at the end there, hence I got that explanation out already.

That's all good when one of the options is scum. But if it's town vs town it doesn't matter as scum is free to do as they want. They can park the vote, lead the vote, change the vote at the last second.

The only thing that we can get out of it is a lot of talk with only half the facts so it's really meaningless. We would just be wasting time.

A more interesting question that noone is doing: Why Fireblend?
 

Burbeting

Banned
darryl & nin1000 (2)
crimsonfist
ourobolus

crimsonfist & sophia (0)
natiko
nomadic sparks

trigger & ty4on (1)
nomadic sparks

xbro & karkador (0)
verelios
 

Verelios

Member
I was talking about neutral attitude, because the questions you asked were in a fairly neutral attitude. If the question aims at confrontation or provides help its more AI.
If we're doing this then we go into the range of faux positivity/negativity and subjective expression.


If you can come up with a question that addresses "I have a bad feeling about this post but I can't put my finger on the reason yet" where you wouldn't just laugh at me please tell me. Because I'm eager to use it next time.
I don't know, 'Hey, I don't like you and your posts reek of manufactured bullshit', I'm sure I would have given you a line if it was a direct question.
 

Verelios

Member
That's all good when one of the options is scum. But if it's town vs town it doesn't matter as scum is free to do as they want. They can park the vote, lead the vote, change the vote at the last second.

The only thing that we can get out of it is a lot of talk with only half the facts so it's really meaningless. We would just be wasting time.

A more interesting question that noone is doing: Why Fireblend?
There's way too little information to be sure of why Fireblend. It could be because he had an accurate readlist, or scum wanted to shoot in the middle of the pack, even just at random, etc.
 
A more interesting question that noone is doing: Why Fireblend?

I actually correctly guessed this one (gonna have to wait till the end of the game to see the chat logs I guess).

Fireblend was low-profile at the start, and got good posts out starting around a discussion with Ouro, while always remaining sceptical of both sides of the discussion.

I'm gonna go and examine his posts a bit.
 
That's all good when one of the options is scum. But if it's town vs town it doesn't matter as scum is free to do as they want. They can park the vote, lead the vote, change the vote at the last second.

The only thing that we can get out of it is a lot of talk with only half the facts so it's really meaningless. We would just be wasting time.

Also it's worth to entertain that one of the options is scum. The entire day phase is to get all possibilites anyway, so getting analysis on it out there is worth it imo.
 

franconp

Member
Also it's worth to entertain that one of the options is scum. The entire day phase is to get all possibilites anyway, so getting analysis on it out there is worth it imo.

Not really. If you think so you should read Gafia 3. The first day was town vs town. Everyone started making analysis of the votes and decided to lynch the other townie. Repeat that until scum won by quite a big lead.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
Actually, scratch that, that still doesn't explain why he voted Orb over Kark.

I just seriously don't know why you'd take the one over the other. At the single mention of letting Kark maybe a little longer a few sites before I got immediate visible pushback.

It wasn't "mistakenly" thinking I was breaking a tie. I made sure that my vote would increase the current frontrunner's lead in case someone decided to bring it closer to a tie and inadvertently tie it.
 

Sophia

Member
What do you mean by "lack of dead air"?

Remember there wasn't a vote count and most of us didn't had a clue how the vote where.

Just trying to get a sense of the activity level. It seemed like the last 30 minutes were pretty active at any rate.
 

Karkador

Banned
so, you think they're a neutral?

assuming this isn't a gambit, it would be curious if Burb were to recycle the same neutral schtick from the first Love Boat. maybe he's just subversive in his laziness like that

I guess I wouldn't assume Burb just reused things, although he theoretically could and just not tell anybody he did. It'd be pretty lazy though! (glares at Burb)

Anyway, I guess it could be neutral or Town. I considered it was mafia, but it seems too powerful like that.


Important. This might be trying to seem transparent and gain a bit of trust back.

I was actually trying to NOT say much about it, because making the power public means mafia could make arrangements to use codewords or something if they get silenced. But trying to find the right words to say just-enough about it gave my partner enough time to spoil it anyway. Oh well, it's not a big deal, Xbro.

Actually now this brings up the question of whether a mafia pair would get muted from the rest of the mafia, or does the whole mafia get silenced? I don't remember what the deal was in LB1.
 

Karkador

Banned
The major takeaway I had from the vote at the end of D1 is that the deciding votes were what, 5 to 8? Combined, that's 13 votes, which wasn't even enough to make majority (16). I agree that the turn-around on Orb/TWE was stunning, though I can't exactly complain.
 

Verelios

Member
Why do you think this? To me it seems most likely it being an scum or neutral ability.

Also it isn't really that powerful for scum either.
It kind of matches a neutral power, since town would have little reason to use it and scum probably doesn't need it.
 

franconp

Member
It kind of matches a neutral power, since town would have little reason to use it and scum probably doesn't need it.

Scum could use it to make a strong pair unable to share their reads. It makes sense. Town doesn't. It's most likely to hit town than scum with it. Why would a townie use it?

If it's neutral, What is their win condition? What was in LB1?
 

Verelios

Member
Scum could use it to make a strong pair unable to share their reads. It makes sense. Town doesn't. It's most likely to hit town than scum with it. Why would a townie use it?

If it's neutral, What is their win condition? What was in LB1?
I mean, I'm not exactly setting pair chat on fire. I don't see how it would be more disadvantageous for town than scum.
 

Samuraischnecke

Neo Member
I'm not so sure how that silencer shot could be of use to anyone, but the case of using it on Karkador/Xbro tells me it must be pro-town.
At least it looks like it to me, because then they need to talk about their plans in here as long as they aren't scummy.
If they discuss in here everything is alright, because it's harder for Kark to try pulling some weird stuff that involves another person (his partner).
 
Not really. If you think so you should read Gafia 3. The first day was town vs town. Everyone started making analysis of the votes and decided to lynch the other townie. Repeat that until scum won by quite a big lead.

Being the newbie I am I have to wonder if you're right or I mentioned something in my observation that you don't want to be mentioned.

I was actually trying to NOT say much about it, because making the power public means mafia could make arrangements to use codewords or something if they get silenced. But trying to find the right words to say just-enough about it gave my partner enough time to spoil it anyway. Oh well, it's not a big deal, Xbro.

You could have easily talked over this before with Xbro in your chat and make it seem like an accident.

Not saying that's how it was, but I don't want to discount the possibility.
 
Scum silencer makes sense, town doesn't, neutral is a rehash of LB1.

My money would be on scum or a gambit.

Does scum targeting Kark make sense though? Considering how he was almost lynched.

Scum could use it to make a strong pair unable to share their reads. It makes sense. Town doesn't. It's most likely to hit town than scum with it. Why would a townie use it?

If it's neutral, What is their win condition? What was in LB1?

Block 3 players, but it wouldn't work on scum.
 
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