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[Muffin1611]

I asked you in order to get a response from you now, I preferred that to reading previous posts that did not involve me.
It was a genuine question and I did not have the intention to make you laugh.
The bolded part could be said about a lot of other players though.
Thanks for responding though.

He literally said "he is the only one who has anything". Try to compare that to rest, you'll find nobody like that.

 

[Ty4on]

Well, I have seem scum made that mistake. I think it was Exodus in Persona.

It wasn't a slip. Exodus didn't know that bussing specifically referred to scum voting scum.

 

[Sawneeks]

So I've got to get going but I want to get my final thoughts out.

I still don't see the Scum Reads on Muffin, call it a gut read if you will but I'm not feeling their lynch. Especially with this little back-and-forth with Darryl it feels like Muffin is genuinely frustrated and exasperated with how it's going and how Darryl isn't budging. I'm fine with Ouro/Kit/Darryl getting the axe if it comes to it and it's why I voted for Ouro to get a choice going to see where others fell into place ( call it the Sorian method if you will ) but I wouldn't mind any of those 3. I'm also rather indifferent on Dr. Fran; I'm going with Sorian's lead on this one and would much rather see Ouro/Kit/Darryl go first.

Well I didn't say it was definite proof! You asked why, so I told you why...

You told me the end result of your "why"

As a side note this is roughly the second time this Day Phase I've seen Sophia only give partial answers and have to be prodded to give more. Why are you holding your thoughts back, Sophia?

 

[Darryl]

You could read my previous posts. His arguments were either nonsense or disingenious. Blatantly so, the latter.
All the while acting like hes the only one getting things done in the game. Don't make me laugh.

So here's Muffin1611 repeating this line of rhetoric. They originally said this in post #2302 where they quoted four posts as counter-evidence to my claim "Not only did you open today with an argument against me that you let fizzle:"

So, my claim that we need to test that they've accused of being disingenuous is whether or not they let the argument fizzle. Here are the four posts in question:

Of course not, I didn't have that lynch on my radar at all. Kark would have been okay, additionally to being inactive he did it on purpose for nothing. But that falls under an activity lynch, as you say.

There were other discussion though, I pressured Ouro before that, which wasn't activity based. This was based on a weird read from Ouro and Ouros dodgy playstyle.
Dragonz also would have been a possibility for me if Verelios wouldn't have contributed as much. That there was nothing interesting besides activity lynch talk is just plain false.

I wasn't on Orb a single moment, it came just as surprising to me.

What you found to be better didn't sell either. And I wasn't alone on the Ouro thing and also remember people like Fireblend (may he rest in peace) heavily disagree with you that nothing noteworthy happened.

So, I'll be out of here for the night. Wanted to at least put some effort in already so some people don't start claiming again I'm rehashing others arguments and are actually doing nothing in terms of contributing

I wanted to bold the sections of this where Muffin1611 was pressing me for information, but I ended up bolding it all. There isn't a sentence here in Muffin1611's line of questioning that pressed me for information or attempted to further the argument. They are defensive responses. They obviously just let this fizzle. I responded to this and explained this and Muffin1611 still hammers out the rhetoric.

 

[Sorian]

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the narrative. It looked like there were a few people who responded, so way to make it all about you

I used myself to drag it back into reality a bit. Your "subtle" play at denouncing any opinion that isn't anti-muffin isn't really going unnoticed.

It wasn't a slip. Exodus didn't know that bussing specifically referred to scum voting scum.

IT WAS A SLIP TO ME DAMN IT

 

[Sophia]

As a side note this is roughly the second time this Day Phase I've seen Sophia only give partial answers and have to be prodded to give more. Why are you holding your thoughts back, Sophia?

Wait, what? That wasn't a partial answer... ;

He asked "Why are people voting Fep/Kitsune over Fran/Worm?" and I gave him an answer! Not my fault Ouro can't be assed to properly ask any follow up questions. : |

 

[Darryl]

He literally said "he is the only one who has anything". Try to compare that to rest, you'll find nobody like that.

Nobody did have anything day 1. We lynched on activity. You even admitted to lynching on activity.

 

[Ourobolus]

Wait, what? That wasn't a partial answer... ;

He asked "Why are people voting Fep/Kitsune over Fran/Worm?" and I gave him an answer! Not my fault Ouro can't be assed properly ask any follow up questions. : |

I assumed you understood what the word "why" meant.
But fine, I'll spell it out:

"Why do you have a slight town read on Dr Fran and why do you have a slight scum read on Fepsune?"

 

[Darryl]

I used myself to drag it back into reality a bit. Your "subtle" play at denouncing any opinion that isn't anti-muffin isn't really going unnoticed.



IT WAS A SLIP TO ME DAMN IT

My read for this is that you're a scummate with Muffin and that you're trying to preempt a Muffin bandwagon by moving the goal posts and attacking the moved posts, to be honest

 

[Ourobolus]

My read for this is that you're a scummate with Muffin and that you're trying to preempt a Muffin bandwagon by moving the goal posts and attacking the moved posts, to be honest

Wanna join the Sawrian train

 

[Muffin1611]

Darryl. For the last fucking time.

And, can't quote right now, to answer Darryls post from before: Of fucking course I didnt go after you much in that discussion you're so full of yourself that I don't want to really bother, Mr."I'm the only one who did anything D1". It's pretty tiring, and its showing again.

If you think that your "I must be absolutely right" attitude is some asset to town, thats fucking ridicilous. But youre aware, your probably scum yourself. If not, this is really fucking sad.

Weird how your fucking tunneling me to the ends of time began when I voted on you.

I wont discuss with you any further. Youre making me seriously enraged and at this point I'm weighing voting for myself just so everyone sees what fucking bullshit you spewed with such certainty.

I wont change my vote today either. Have a good fucking evening.

 

[Sawneeks]

Wait, what? That wasn't a partial answer... ;

He asked "Why are people voting Fep/Kitsune over Fran/Worm?" and I gave him an answer! Not my fault Ouro can't be assed to properly ask any follow up questions. : |

Let me put it this way, trying to get your full thoughts/opinions on things is like trying to pull teeth. You'll give just enough to somewhat answer the question but won't go into detail with the rest of your thoughts and just aren't putting yourself out there.

My question is why.

 

[franconp]

It wasn't a slip. Exodus didn't know that bussing specifically referred to scum voting scum.

You may be right. I remembered that was something similar.

 

[Sophia]

I assumed you understood what the word "why" meant.
But fine, I'll spell it out:

"Why do you have a slight town read on Dr Fran and why do you have a slight scum read on Fepsune?"

Much better! You're learning how to ask follow up questions!

I haven't really seen anything that shouts out "major scum" on Fran's part, and his behavior is familiar with what I know of town!Fran from previous games. Dr. Worm likewise hasn't done much to trip my radar after he stopped his early shit posting. As for Kitsunelaine, I really didn't like her earlier read on Fran/Dr Worm, as I noted at the time. I have less of a read on FEP, but my partner felt confident voting there, so I'm voting with my partner. There's also the fact that Kitsune was very defensive on Day 1, which kind of comes tom ind too.

 

[flatearthpandas]

No way I'm here for day end. Should be asleep already. Don't know kits' schedule. I'm going to half claim, she'll finish it up around day end if she shows up and we're still leading.



We are a pr!



Exciting, no?

No?

Anyway, even if she doesn't show up, you can prove it yourselves and decide what to do about it. I'd rather not completely reveal it now since it has some utility, but it has more with us alive than dead. And as obvious as it is going to be anyway, i trust many still wouldn't catch it even if i said it explicitly--or they might deny it exists at all--so this isn't a total waste.

Turbo us.

Give yourselves at least 30 minutes. If kits is around, she'll be happy to drop the hammer herself, I'm sure. If not, anyone who trusts we're not a lynch bomb (i swear we aren't) should do it. Again, give yourselves time. Godspeed town. These last 30 minutes haven't been hopeless, I kind of believe in you, but i won't be around and want to throw it out since I'm leaving in the lead.

 

[Darryl]

SUSPICIOUS POSTS BY MUFFIN1611/SAW THAT ARE GOING UNNOTICED

I answered you on this page, maybe try to read, isnt that ironic

This is 100%, verifiably false. You have never responded to my response to you at all.

Anyone here know why Samurai doesn't know that I was calling their team mate out. Worms argued with Muffins for like, what felt like over a half a page. Sam has no clue it happened

Why did Sam disappear, and why do they not know what is even going on with their team

 

[Ourobolus]

Much better! You're learning how to ask follow up questions!

I haven't really seen anything that shouts out "major scum" on Fran's part, and his behavior is familiar with what I know of town!Fran from previous games. Dr. Worm likewise hasn't done much to trip my radar after he stopped his early shit posting. As for Kitsunelaine, I really didn't like her earlier read on Fran/Dr Worm, as I noted at the time. I have less of a read on FEP, but my partner felt confident voting there, so I'm voting with my partner. There's also the fact that Kitsune was very defensive on Day 1, which kind of comes tom ind too.

You know, answering the question correctly in the first place would save you and your teammate a lot of shade-throwing.

 

[franconp]

Wanna join the Sawrian train

Ouro you seem desperate. Looking at your posts someone would think you are the one getting lynched but it's actually Kitsune/FEP the ones in the lead.

 

[Sophia]

Let me put it this way, trying to get your full thoughts/opinions on things is like trying to pull teeth. You'll give just enough to somewhat answer the question but won't go into detail with the rest of your thoughts and just aren't putting yourself out there.

My question is why.

You know, answering the question correctly in the first place would save you and your teammate a lot of shade-throwing.

*shrugs*

At any rate, gonna try and make sense of the Darryl/Muffin spat.

 

[Ourobolus]

Ouro you seem desperate. Looking at your posts someone would think you are the one getting lynched but it's actually Kitsune/FEP the ones in the lead.

I know they are. And it's not desperation (I've got plenty of time for that), I'm asking that since both Darryl and I read Muffin and Sorian's teams as scum, if he wants to put the votes there.

FEP just claimed a PR, if you'd like to keep your vote there, I won't stop you.

 

[StarSketch]

Nomadiko seems fine, took a peek at Kitsune since she's talk of the town right now and....

I see newbie player floundering but that's not really an excuse? But then again I apparently haven't learned to play properly after like 10 games soooooo

 

[Darryl]

Wanna join the Sawrian train

I'm fine with lynching them ya. I can even see the angle where muff/saw are town and just frustrated with no clue what they're doing, and Sorian is capitalizing because he knows this

Vote: Sorian

 

[Dr. Worm]

Sorry, busy today and I won't be around for day end.

Vote: Kitsunelaine

Sophia, can you tell us why your partner placed this vote?

 

[Ty4on]

Anyway, even if she doesn't show up, you can prove it yourselves and decide what to do about it. I'd rather not completely reveal it now since it has some utility, but it has more with us alive than dead. And as obvious as it is going to be anyway, i trust many still wouldn't catch it even if i said it explicitly--or they might deny it exists at all--so this isn't a total waste.

Oshiete yo~

Kitsune is in a weird time zone and had to sleep through the last day end. Think she doesn't expect to wake up before day end today either.

 

[franconp]

I know they are. And it's not desperation (I've got plenty of time for that), I'm asking that since both Darryl and I read Muffin and Sorian's teams as scum, if he wants to put the votes there.

FEP just claimed a PR, if you'd like to keep your vote there, I won't stop you.

Anyone can make a PR claim and be vague like FEP did. He doesn't want to say what it is because we wouldn't believe him?

Don't know about that. Seems false.

If I decide to move my vote from them I will be voting for you.

 

[Sophia]

Sophia, can you tell us why your partner placed this vote?

He was scum-reading those two in his posts in lovers chat. He actually had a "most town to least town" ranking he was going through, but admitted he wasn't super confident in at the time. They were pretty low.

I actually wanted more of his opinion on FEP, but unfortunately he appears to have already been long gone by the time I woke up. Alas...

 

[Ourobolus]

Anyone can make a PR claim and be vague like FEP did. He doesn't want to say what it is because we wouldn't believe him?

Don't know about that. Seems false.

If I decide to move my vote from them I will be voting for you.

Just sayin'

But you do you

 

[Sorian]

My read for this is that you're a scummate with Muffin and that you're trying to preempt a Muffin bandwagon by moving the goal posts and attacking the moved posts, to be honest

You can go look at the last page. The only person you praised in any way was Worm and that's because he is voting with you.

SUSPICIOUS POSTS BY MUFFIN1611/SAW THAT ARE GOING UNNOTICED



This is 100%, verifiably false. You have never responded to my response to you at all.



Why did Sam disappear, and why do they not know what is even going on with their team

Ok, you obviously know the difference between Saw and Sam since you talked about both here which makes this post really fucking weird:

I'm fine with lynching them ya. I can even see the angle where muff/saw are town and just frustrated with no clue what they're doing, and Sorian is capitalizing because he knows this

Vote: Sorian

You realize Saw is my partner right?

No way I'm here for day end. Should be asleep already. Don't know kits' schedule. I'm going to half claim, she'll finish it up around day end if she shows up and we're still leading.



We are a pr!



Exciting, no?

No?

Anyway, even if she doesn't show up, you can prove it yourselves and decide what to do about it. I'd rather not completely reveal it now since it has some utility, but it has more with us alive than dead. And as obvious as it is going to be anyway, i trust many still wouldn't catch it even if i said it explicitly--or they might deny it exists at all--so this isn't a total waste.

Turbo us.

Give yourselves at least 30 minutes. If kits is around, she'll be happy to drop the hammer herself, I'm sure. If not, anyone who trusts we're not a lynch bomb (i swear we aren't) should do it. Again, give yourselves time. Godspeed town. These last 30 minutes haven't been hopeless, I kind of believe in you, but i won't be around and want to throw it out since I'm leaving in the lead.

I don't know what weird ass half claim this is but I'm not turboing you and this reeks of desperation.

 

[StarSketch]

FEP why are you leaving this to your partner?

 

[Darryl]

You can go look at the last page. The only person you praised in any way was Worm and that's because he is voting with you.



Ok, you obviously know the difference between Saw and Sam since you talked about both here which makes this post really fucking weird:



You realize Saw is my partner right?



I don't know what weird ass half claim this is but I'm not turboing you and this reeks of desperation.

I have garbage short term memory and I just flipped the w's and the m's in my mind. It doesn't help that the two teams that have stood out to me both have people with similar abbreviations.

I do agree tho in parts with that last spot. That post sits on the fence and that it reads verbatim like a clinging scum. But, I don't know if I agree that FEP is in the position where they need to cling to life. They seem pretty safe at the moment and could have capitalized on my drive to lynch muffin (by convincing their scum mates to also follow the train, assuming they were scum). So, I can't help but read this and think they're frustrated town.

 

[Karkador]

sawneeks & sorian (1)
flatearthpandas
flatearthpandas
flatearthpandas

Umm....what the hell is this

 

[Sophia]

Umm....what the hell is this

FEP voted Sorian, then voted Ouro, then voted Sorian, then voted Sorian (again)

You can see it on the regular vote tool.

 

[Karkador]

FEP voted Sorian, then voted Ouro, then voted Sorian, then voted Sorian (again)

You can see it on the regular vote tool.

I know, I just don't think I've ever seen three names in the vote tool like that with no other votes. Is it a signal?

 

[Sorian]

I have garbage short term memory and I just flipped the w's and the m's in my mind. It doesn't help that the two teams that have stood out to me both have people with similar abbreviations.

I do agree tho in parts with that last spot. That post sits on the fence and that it reads verbatim like a clinging scum. But, I don't know if I agree that FEP is in the position where they need to cling to life. They seem pretty safe at the moment and could have capitalized on my drive to lynch muffin (by convincing their scum mates to also follow the train, assuming they were scum). So, I can't help but read this and think they're frustrated town.

They don't? I'm pretty sure they are vote leader now with me and Sawneeks second. I feel like having concern is normal for this last hour.

Umm....what the hell is this

We haven't seen you in like 2 days and this is what we get?

 

[Darryl]

Looking at the votes, Ouro and FEP would look like they'd have to be team mates to be acting how they are by avoiding voting. So, either we've caught two teams or we haven't caught any. I kinda think we haven't caught any and that they are both town.

 

[Dr. Worm]

But, I don't know if I agree that FEP is in the position where they need to cling to life. They seem pretty safe at the moment

huh?

they're leading at 5 votes, and those votes don't seem to be going anywhere

 

[Dr. Worm]

also why did we go to Sawrian instead of sticking to Mufsam

I feel much more strongly about the latter than I do the former

 

[Darryl]

They don't? I'm pretty sure they are vote leader now with me and Sawneeks second. I feel like having concern is normal for this last hour.



We haven't seen you in like 2 days and this is what we get?

Yea but they barely have any votes in the grand scheme of things, assuming that there are six potential scum votes. Most people aren't voting for some reason. The #2 candidate, being you, is totally swingable. I know I'm not scum, so they have 6+1 votes at the least. Don't believe that if FEP was scum that they should have given up just now. Doesn't feel like the right play.

 

[Sorian]

This is a complete off topic aside but I dig Sawrian way more than FatSorian.

Sorry science doggo :/

 

[Ourobolus]

also why did we go to Sawrian instead of sticking to Mufsam

I feel much more strongly about the latter than I do the former

because those are two different teams?

 

[Dr. Worm]

because those are two different teams?

you said they're both top scum

why one over the other?

 

[Natiko]

I've seen the votes where all of scum are on the competing townie wagon and it just feels so wrong. My scum self is super conscious of where the votes are. We had a Blarg mislynch out of nowhere in Danny Phantom (suddenly everyone voted for him) and I was ecstatic that the number of scum on him was early exactly what chance would dictate.

Spoiler

Oh yeah, it was a joke about my scumputer doing a pretty decent job >.>

This is the same person who's defense over one of my main points on him being scum was "as scum why would I care where my vote lands"

Lol

Lol

Lynch this scum.

 

[Burbeting]

darryl & nin1000 (2)
crimsonfist
sorian
muffin1611
samuraischnecke
ourobolus

crimsonfist & sophia (0)
natiko
nomadic sparks

trigger & ty4on (1)
nomadic sparks
natiko

xbro & karkador (1)
sawneeks
kingkitty
verelios
flatearthpandas

franconp & dr. worm (1)
sorian
kitsunelaine
xbro
ourobolus

verelios & wherearemahdragonz (0)
sophia

muffin1611 & samuraischnecke (1)
ourobolus
dr. worm
darryl

ourobolus & kingkitty (3)
muffin1611
nomadic sparks
nomadic sparks
sorian
flatearthpandas
sawneeks
flatearthpandas

kitsunelaine & flatearthpandas (5)
ty4on
franconp
sorian
wherearemahdragonz
crimsonfist
sophia

starsketch & czartim (0)
sorian

sawneeks & sorian (3)
ourobolus
flatearthpandas
flatearthpandas
flatearthpandas
darryl

 

[Sorian]

Yea but they barely have any votes in the grand scheme of things, assuming that there are six potential scum votes. Most people aren't voting for some reason. The #2 candidate, being you, is totally swingable. I know I'm not scum, so they have 6+1 votes at the least. Don't believe that if FEP was scum that they should have given up just now. Doesn't feel like the right play.

First off, that's a debatable point.

Second off, we are fast approaching the point where swing votes can change things up very easily but are also super scrutinized in later day phases. I just had this whole argument with FEP. Block voting like 12 hours before deadline? Meh, whatever, no one vote analyzing will likely notice that. Block voting in the last hour to save a teammate? That's actual dangerous territory.

That weird PR claim is definitely an attempt at something so scum doesn't even have to be giving up, they could just be seeing how that goes. That's also not even discussing bus theories.

 

[Ourobolus]

you said they're both top scum

why one over the other?

Oh, I thought you were commenting on the name portmanteaus.

And I'm curious about Sawrian's flip. I feel like their flip will give me a better idea on Muffin's team right now.

 

[Ourobolus]

Also KK said he most likely won't be around for day end, so his vote is probably stuck on XKark.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Oh, I thought you were commenting on the name portmanteaus.

And I'm curious about Sawrian's flip. I feel like their flip will give me a better idea on Muffin's team right now.

that's fair, ok

 

[Darryl]

First off, that's a debatable point.

Second off, we are fast approaching the point where swing votes can change things up very easily but are also super scrutinized in later day phases. I just had this whole argument with FEP. Block voting like 12 hours before deadline? Meh, whatever, no one vote analyzing will likely notice that. Block voting in the last hour to save a teammate? That's actual dangerous territory.

That weird PR claim is definitely an attempt at something so scum doesn't even have to be giving up, they could just be seeing how that goes. That's also not even discussing bus theories.

Do you think Ouro is a scum team mate with FEP?

 

[Ty4on]

This is the same person who's defense over one of my main points on him being scum was "as scum why would I care where my vote lands"

Lol

Lol

Lynch this scum.

wat
Actually that's kinda right 🤔

Context tho is different. Blarg was turbo'd iirc so it felt like we'd stick out easily without many scum on him and vice versa. It took me by surprise, but my mates voted for him in pretty even succession.
I guess I would have thought about where my scummates were, but I still see myself plopping a vote on either side if it somewhat lined up with my earlier reads.

 

[Royal_Flush]

I'm here. I'm lost.

FEP is doing all the wrong things. But kits... I mean, wouldn't Scum went in the Scum chat? Wouldn't she as a newbie maybe check the reads list back with her team? I'm really not sure about this train... She sounds legit frustrated that whatever she does isn't good enough for us. Would Scum show this as much?