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Uncharted: The Lost Legacy - Review Thread
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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level1
Member
My opinion is that you're lying when you say you didn't like Uncharted 4 and actually consider it to be your GOAT
Bolivar687
Banned
SonyGAF
Baroquemantic
Member
Because any opinion you have is not worth taking serious when you claim people are lying in their reviews because you're mad they gave a game a higher rating than you think it deserves.
Lol.
level1
Member
Sorry to break it to you, but a reviewer's job isn't to give an accurate summary of all the opinions people hold about a game.
Was it winning GotY on GAF a "misrepresentation" too?
$32 from Best Buy with GCU or Amazon Prime.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
It's more of a case of you thinking your opinion is more valuable than others, but that's just my two cents.
SparksterMeta0
Member
Yeah. Even the comments concerning said criticism are hilarious.
Bolivar687
Banned
They downplayed and obfuscated conspicuous problems which feature heavily in every conversation we've ever had on here about the game.
The reviews were dishonest.
For one, accusing people of lying isn't an opinion, it's a verifiable claim.
Jawbreaker
Member
There are respectable ways to express dissent; this isn't an example of that. Reducing the positive experiences of others to mere lies is worthy of all the derision, especially when you follow that up with "SonyGAF" to write off the justified responses. Not all opinions are created equal.
Primethius
Banned
Your implying factual problems with the game. Pacing isn't a factual problem.
Was the game broken? Did it have performance issues? Were there save issues?
Cause if not, it's not lying or misrepresentation. You have no idea what your talking about and you just hold your opinion far higher than you should.
We're all the votes that resulted in Uncharted 4 being GAF's game of the year also dishonest? Just how many people were involved in this conspiracy?
Kevin Shields
Member
I don't mean to harp on about combat but deciding factor for me since I loved the combat in UC4. Is there an encounter select in the game? If so does anyone know how many combat encounters there are?
Also could someone spoiler tag me on amount of set pieces?
Also could someone spoiler tag me on amount of set pieces?
pixellated_man
Member
When you put it that way...yes 2017 has been a dream year for games.
ronaldthump
Member
I had to go look it up that you actually posted this. tsk.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
Uncharted review threads should be GAF Gold exclusives.
pixellated_man
Member
The bitching has been mostly from Uncharted detractors as opposed to defensive fanboys. People have been largely happy with the scores.
Duchess O'Death
Member
Did the reviewers get to try the new multiplayer stuff? Because that's what most of my time would be spent on.
level1
Member
Hold up - So you genuinely believe that opinions discussed here represent objective fact and should be used and consulted as guidelines by every reviewer lest they be labelled a liar?
nowheretorun
Member
What so you believe all reviews are 'totally' impartial?
I understand your point in this case because you could argue Bolivar is saying it about 'every' reviewer of this game.
However, I can also see the side where a game is 'meant' to be liked, has good production values, big budget, high hype, previous history of good/great/acclaimed games both in that particular series and/or that particular developer and hell, even is still not a bad game/good game/game with some brilliant parts = meaning which media outlet is gonna want to slate the fuck or 'even what would be deemed by fans' as 'any/what they perceive as too much' 'criticism' when all that is gonna do is fuck up their own income/credibility because you know, fans....
(probably doesn't make much sense but I get it lol!).
Maybe Bolivia's part about 'lying' is his own interpretation and may well be in some small part/s which is enough for him/her to have his own perception. After all, a lie is a lie no matter how small.
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Anyway I personally don't care about what scores reviewers give. I've been playing games long enough to know what I do, do not or maybe am getting fed up with - although I can sometimes be wrong as I loved Doom!
GravityInsanity
Member
Naughty Dog review threads just can't catch a break can they?
ManUnkindH
Member
Didn't have the time to check the reviews, did they say anything about length or how many hours it did take them to complete?
Various lengths mention from 6 hours up to 16.
level1
Member
Consensus seems to be around 8-12 hours if you play at a reasonable pace. There are however reviewers who said they got through it in 6
I can usually count on Naughty Dog games for an uninteresting plot, but great punchy dialogue and good character building moments. So I assume it'll be the same for this game.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I mean I liked Uncharted 4 less than several of the reviews but I'd never make the frankly delusional claim that they've done me a disservice for having an opinion that differed from mine.
Much less that they either lied or misrepresented the game, willingly or not.
The press just liked the game more than me. That's all. I don't need to get mired in a nerd ego trip about how I'm always right and the press is a bunch of fools. It's really quite simple and has nothing to do with "SonyGAF."
Much less that they either lied or misrepresented the game, willingly or not.
The press just liked the game more than me. That's all. I don't need to get mired in a nerd ego trip about how I'm always right and the press is a bunch of fools. It's really quite simple and has nothing to do with "SonyGAF."
No one is dogpiling on Bolivar that he didn't like UC4, but the fact that he said the games media was lying and hyping up the quality of the game when the fact is that it was universally liked by most critics and won the most game of the year polls.
Spring-Loaded
Member
I haven't played LL yet, but I've played all the console Uncharted entries.
There's no question everything the player does while engaging in a game counts as gameplay—from light adventure games like Gone Home/Firewatch, to Bayonetta/DMC, and everything in between. Even low-impact gameplay such as choosing dialogue options or inspecting environments/objects can be engaging.
The hangup with Uncharted's non-combat gameplay is that it has always been merely complimentary to the combat. The climbing, the puzzles, and now the exploratory segments are not fully realized like the combat scenarios.
About the climbing:
I've played Grow Home and Grow Up, two games entirely about climbing. Putting aside how long they are (they can be beaten in an hour or two, or can be 100%'d which could take far longer), the moment to moment climbing is engaging because the player must hold a trigger/key in order to grip onto a surface. There's no stamina meter, but if the player lets go of a surface with the robot character's left hand before attaching the right hand to something, they'll fall, and unless they catch themselves, they could lose progress. What the player does in moment-to-moment gameplay matters.
In Uncharted, The climbing itself requires no timing or inputs beyond pushing in a direction and pressing X. In a static environment, it's often impossible for the player character to fall due to player error—when there's a bunch of crazy stuff going on, that's a godsend as the player's attention is split between leaping between/hanging off the sides of trucks and fighting enemies, or hopping from roof to roof while dodging helicopter fire. Even during the UC4 auction stealth segment, the streamlining of the climbing only helped make for interesting scenarios involving pull guys off ledges or avoiding their flashlights. The traversal serves the action well, but it does not feel complete on its own. Stuff like swinging around with the rope, sliding and the piton are great because they introduce the need for actual timing and planning, but they're underutilized and hardly are ever mixed-and-matched with one another (until the penultimate chapter), and sliding rarely gets mixed with combat outside of the Scotland ending and that one arena that was shown at E3 '14. There's nary a moment where the path forward requires any discovery or thought, so merely going through the motions can get really dull when it's this frequent.
Exploratory segments:
These areas in UC4 are gorgeous, and the island hopping one and the Madagascar areas allow the player some agency as to where they want to go at certain points, but exploration is rewarded with some random artifacts that have no contribution to the story or the gameplay—you can't sell those for money to get more weapons or tools, and Drake doesn't describe the history behind the treasures (which he never did in previous games, but those were always just slightly off the beaten path, whereas in 4, there's stuff like the actually neat Madagascar well puzzle that leads to ... a random piece of treasure). Finding the diary entries near old pirate corpses is cool because they parallel the main story, but that's pretty much it. Any hidden weapons will have just a few shots, and there's no real feedback loop for exploration—you just do it, maybe find a treasure or power weapon (with no way to get extra ammo) and then it's back to the main path. Stuff like the painting room was entirely a series of looking through empty drawers until a cutscene triggered.
Contrast that with something like Firewatch where the dialogue choices affect further dialogue and give some insight into the characters involved. Uncharted 4 has maybe three moments where the player can choose dialogue, and beyond that it's all pretty vapid banter. The only times the conversation felt substantial was during the island hopping part with Sam as that really showed how bummed Drake was at that point, and the poriton with Elena. Finding objects in Firewatch often had some story purpose, and picking stuff up is a core game mechanic, and there's plenty of stuff to find in Firewatch, even that stuff doesn't loop back into — it's a way to interact with the game world. There's really no interacting with the environments in Uncharted because every input on the controller is for combat purposes—there's no dedicated "pick up/inspect object" button, but there's a cover button, punch button, aim trigger, shoot trigger, reload button, etc. The exploratory segments feel like afterthoughts, and play as if they're complimentary, yet they take up a lot of time, just like the climbing segments.
That's why I don't consider "balance" to be giving each of these types of gameplay anywhere close to the same amount of run time. If the climbing itself is super basic, it doesn't need to show up for long stretches of time. Following linear paths up cliff walls without any real choice of where to go and without any need to consider my inputs or time things well does not hold my interest. Walking around beautiful environments losing its luster when there's nothing for me to do or find that has much significance to the story, the lore or the gameplay. Merely hearing scripted quip-filled conversations between characters in which I have no influence over that don't tell me anything I didn't know about the characters already doesn't make the dull, lengthy climbing segments and empty exploration any better.
I would love a game that incorporates everything Uncharted 4 attempted, being equal parts traversal with exploration and combat in a treasure-hunting setting, but it would all need to be fully realized and not just feature the most basic, simple versions of each of those types of gameplay. It's why hearing that Lost Legacy has even more of surface-level exploration and insubstantial downtime is disappointing to many.
prag16
Banned
What conspicuous problems?
The pacing is totally a subjective thing, and I probably preferred UC4 to 2 and 3 in that regard. Not enough combat? I thought there was enough combat.
The worst thing I can say about the game is the absurd contrivance that is Sam's very existence. I didn't have it #1 on my GOTY list; the competition was stiff. But it was up there maybe 3rd or 4th. Most/all praise the game gets is well deserved.
Buba Big Guns
Banned
Cant wait to play this
Amazing thread.
Lost Legacy is DLC, and as you said doesn't have nowhere near the same marketing push as the numbered entries yet you're attributing what it's likely/expected to be lower sales solely/mostly to disappointment with the previous title?
Lost Legacy is DLC, and as you said doesn't have nowhere near the same marketing push as the numbered entries yet you're attributing what it's likely/expected to be lower sales solely/mostly to disappointment with the previous title?
prag16
Banned
To be fair in this case, it's really just one guy at this point (I didn't 100% read ALL the earlier pages). Granted, too many of us are engaging with his ridiculousness, and I'm guilty there as well. I'll stop.
Basically this.
GinoFelino
Member
Who's twisting facts to make himself feel better? The lack of self-awareness is rivaled only by your lack of understanding how opinions work.
But yeah agreed, giving a dumb comment too much attention entirely
Indeed, although I really enjoyed the Avery plot in UC4. Anyway, since TLL has new direction, I'm curious about it.
Spring-Loaded
Member
If everyone keeps responding to the "insane" posts, then that's all the thread will be. Discuss what you consider to be important and respond to posts like that in kind and it might be different.
Be the change you want to see in the GAF
GinoFelino
Member
I will eat my PS4 if Sony isn't planning to eventually make a Sully-centered Uncharted where he fights Nazis
Seriously Sony, give me that game
Seriously Sony, give me that game
$25 if you bought the Explorer's pack for UC4
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Personally, I prefer a dogpile than insane nonsense not getting called out. It invites others to start their similar rambling.
I prefer to send a clear an unambiguous message that those kinds of posts are unwanted on gaming forums I frequent.
Ok this sounds incredible.
Collusion between all major games review sites to downplay the issues. Sony really did stoop to new lows
Do you really believe that?
nowheretorun
Member
Can def see Sully and Sam happening.
family_guy
Member
I'm in. Actually more interested in getting to play Jak and Daxter for the first time though.