It's completely soulless, it doesn't invoke any sort of emotion from me. It's just... there. I am generally not into Star Wars so I didn't really expect to be enthralled by it but I also didn't expect to be so utterly bored by it.
It's completely soulless, it doesn't invoke any sort of emotion from me. It's just... there. I am generally not into Star Wars so I didn't really expect to be enthralled by it but I also didn't expect to be so utterly bored by it.
We must have watched different films, because all the things I described made a powerful impression on my first viewing. I think it was right when Poe was receiving the artifact from the old man, and the attack that followed, that I thought "holy shit, this is the Star Wars I've been missing."God no. You live in opposite land. TFA has none of this. Once of my biggest problems with it. Music wasterriblemuted and worst of all the SW films. Humour was off. Kylo had no villian music, you always knew when Vadar was anout: duh duh duh....
TFA is a love letter to Star Wars and was created to be Star Wars as people remembered it from the OT and not the prequels. I actually find it crazy that some are arguing that TFA doesn't feel like Star Wars.What a strong statement.. I understand opinions vary.. but god do opinions vary.
What a strong statement.. I understand opinions vary.. but god do opinions vary.
Yup, it's Star Wars distilled down to what makes Star Wars so great.
Exactly how I feel.TFA is a love letter to Star Wars and was created to be Star Wars as people remembered it from the OT and not the prequels. I actually find it crazy that some are arguing that TFA doesn't feel like Star Wars.
We must have watched different films, because all the things I described made a powerful impression on my first viewing. I think it was right when Poe was receiving the artifact from the old man, and the attack that followed, that I thought "holy shit, this is the Star Wars I've been missing."
BB-8 sealed the deal almost immediately. His bubbly beeps and boops, and the timing of his actions, are just right. The direction and editing is full of the grammar of classic Star Wars.
TFA is a love letter to Star Wars and was created to be Star Wars as people remembered it from the OT and not the prequels. I actually find it crazy that some are arguing that TFA doesn't feel like Star Wars.
Yes, I doubledowned on thinking TFA feels like Star Wars because, like, 1% of people dislike TFA. As long as this tiny minority keeps disliking TFA, I will have the crazy opinion that TFA is very Star Warsy.I wonder do people double-down because of the dislike and ambivalence?
I was so burnt by TFA I never watched Rogue 1. Maybe I should give it a watch.
Let him do what he wants breh. I don't know how many times I've watched the Pitch Perfect moviesDSM was robbed!
Yes, I doubledowned on thinking TFA feels like Star Wars because, like, 1% of people dislike TFA. As long as this tiny minority keeps disliking TFA, I will have the crazy opinion that TFA is very Star Warsy.
lots of crotchety fokls who lacked joy in TFA found it in Rogue One, so i'd say give it a go. as a war film fan, it was enjoyable
TFA is a love letter to Star Wars and was created to be Star Wars as people remembered it from the OT and not the prequels. I actually find it crazy that some are arguing that TFA doesn't feel like Star Wars.
Yes, I doubledowned on thinking TFA feels like Star Wars because, like, 1% of people dislike TFA. As long as this tiny minority keeps disliking TFA, I will have the crazy opinion that TFA is very Star Warsy.
...You've seen The Phantom Menace 10+ times!?
I think the original Star Wars would have never been a huge hit had it just been a "lighthearted" kids film.
I have watched 4,5,6 almost 50+ times each.
WutI would question what other movies you consider 'love letters' and go from there but that seems like a lot of work with no reward.
That's not the post that person replied to.No, you said TFA was the best SW movie.
I'll always take solid, average craft over bad, bad film(s) that "tries something new".
TFA had one job. To right the ship. It did its job. The ship capsized because of the prequels.
TFA had one job. To right the ship. It did its job. The ship capsized because of the prequels.
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That's not the post that person replied to.
On the contrary, it was one of the main reasons it was such a big hit. It was Flash Gordon in the era of hard sci-fi.
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Fast Five had one job. To right the ship. It did its job WITHOUT being overly derivative of the original film.
Fast Five had one job. To right the ship. It did its job WITHOUT being overly derivative of the original film.
And why did the ship capsize because of the prequels?
And also because they're just really bad movies in their own right. People talk about how the prequels dragged down the original trilogy, but what they don't talk about is how the prequels would never have been any kind of box office hit without the original trilogy to give them a readymade support base. If Phantom Menace had been the first Star Wars movie made, then it would just be a forgotten-about series of movies by now with only a limited fanbase.
They're just bad movies. And they're bad movies that made great movies kind of worse. No wonder people hate them.
If phantom menace had been the first movie, there wouldn't have been a second.
And when that logo flashed up on the screen, and that iconic theme music came blasting through the theatre speakers, I DID get that same magical feeling that I got when I was a kid--for about the first two minutes.
And then . . . well, we all know how the prequels went: dull, boring, and with that horrid Jar-Jar Binks.
Maybe nothing could ever match the experience of seeing the originals as a child, so the expectations were impossibly high, but I really found the first two "prequels" so boring that I didn't bother with the third. And, I probably won't bother with any other additions to this series in the future, unless of course somehow someone manages to create something as bold and compelling as the originals.
I'm still mad about the hours of life I lost because I took my son to see two of those horrible movies. Inept, incoherent plotting, annoying offensive characters, spectacularly unimaginative
Yeah, it went in the opposite direction and had almost nothing to do with it. I love the entire Fast series, but I also consider Fast Five and beyond a completely different series that just happens to start the same characters.
Not gonna lie, watching online nerd communities turn on TFA after it blew up into a cultural phenomenon has been one of the more perplexing experiences I have had on GAF.
So besides relaunching Star Wars, JJ also had to make a movie where every single person watching it liked, something that has never been done before.The flip side is, it doesn't have long term resonance with everyone.
Are you saying Star Wars was light-hearted? It was pretty serious from the first Act when his family is killed.
So besides relaunching Star Wars, JJ also had to make a movie where every single person watching it liked, something that has never been done before.
That you're trying to fault their approach on the reason why this movie has some who dislike it when no matter what they did, there will always be some who dislike it.What are you talking about? JJ did his job. Most people like TFA. However, when you make something as derivative (and safe) as that, it's gonna have critiques.
And why did the ship capsize because of the prequels?
Because they're not as good as the first trilogy, and the expectations were high.
And also because they're just really bad movies in their own right. People talk about how the prequels dragged down the original trilogy, but what they don't talk about is how the prequels would never have been any kind of box office hit without the original trilogy to give them a readymade support base. If Phantom Menace had been the first Star Wars movie made, then it would just be a forgotten-about series of movies by now with only a limited fanbase.
They're just bad movies. And they're bad movies that made great movies kind of worse. No wonder people hate them.
If phantom menace had been the first movie, there wouldn't have been a second.
And when that logo flashed up on the screen, and that iconic theme music came blasting through the theatre speakers, I DID get that same magical feeling that I got when I was a kid--for about the first two minutes.
And then . . . well, we all know how the prequels went: dull, boring, and with that horrid Jar-Jar Binks.
Maybe nothing could ever match the experience of seeing the originals as a child, so the expectations were impossibly high, but I really found the first two "prequels" so boring that I didn't bother with the third. And, I probably won't bother with any other additions to this series in the future, unless of course somehow someone manages to create something as bold and compelling as the originals.
I'm still mad about the hours of life I lost because I took my son to see two of those horrible movies. Inept, incoherent plotting, annoying offensive characters, spectacularly unimaginative
You can consider it that all you like and yet, the characters and motivations are consistent and it managed to re-invigorate the franchise without blatant re-treading. The original films skirted the line of ubsurdity just enough that Fast Five (and to a lesser degree F4) became a nice bridge into expanding world building and themes.
TFA is exactly the film you make when you minimize risk and maximize rewards. JJ Abrams delivered a $2 billion dollar film. He did exactly what he was hired to do.
The flip side is, it doesn't have long term resonance with everyone.
That you're trying to fault their approach on the reason why this movie has some who dislike it when no matter what they did, there will always be some who dislike it.
Not gonna lie, watching online nerd communities turn on TFA after it blew up into a cultural phenomenon has been one of the more perplexing experiences I have had on GAF.
Uh, I gave an example on this very page of how you can reboot/restart a franchise WITHOUT the approach that LFL took to get a result more original.
But LFL clearly knew what they were doing as the film made $2 billion. It just didn't make everyone happy.
Also, when did I ever say everyone needed to like TFA?!?!
I'd argue they're not. The Fast and The Furious is a remarkably ground film for its time, a far cry from the near-superhero adventures of the Fast film beyond that. Even going on just characterization, Roman Pearce alone has been flanderized and turned into almost pure comic relief in most of the recent ensemble films. Tej went from a street mechanic to a genius level engineer and more.
Again, Fast Five and beyond do not really pay any homage or lip service to what came before.
The reception to the prequels was not good. For the decade between Revenge of the Sith and The Force Awakens, the prequel trilogy was summarily pilloried by most of Star Wars fandom, culminating in that semi-final cringeworthy Vader "Noooooooo". There is a younger generation that loves them, but for Star Wars fans at the time, the talk was mostly poor.
People wanted a Star Wars movie that felt like Star Wars since they hadn't gotten one since the 80s and your idea is to do what Fast Five did and just completely tonally reboot the franchise? Yeah, I wonder why they didn't do that...
And how long did people wait between 4 and 5? People hadn't gotten a Star Wars film that felt like the OT in 32 years. They didn't try being "risky" because it's not what people wanted, it's like ordering a Big Mac and getting a pizza instead, people didn't go to TFA for something completely different. It would've been the dumbest thing done in movie history to do something completely different.Because they wanted to make $2 billion bucks.
I mean, tonally, is Rogue One = TFA? The point I was making isn't even tone because tonally, Fast Five isn't that far off from F4. The point is, when the studio decided to try and reinvigorate the franchise, they didn't ask for a love letter to the franchise.
They took a risk that had it failed, would have likely been the end of the franchise. The result was something that felt fresh and new to the franchise.
And how long did people wait between 4 and 5? People hadn't gotten a Star Wars film that felt like the OT in 32 years. They didn't try being "risky" because it's not what people wanted, it's like ordering a Big Mac and getting a pizza instead, people didn't go to TFA for something completely different. It would've been the dumbest thing done in movie history to do something completely different.
And yet since then I only watched it 3 times. Once in theaters opening day (Hype!) , second to give it another chance and understand the picture better with my brother and 3rd was for the home release. Since then it's just sitting in my shelf collecting dust. I was watching OT again and they still hold up today. Just as good. Even TPM (somewhat) and RoTS holds up good aside from the stupid cheesy acrobatic fight scene in 3 and some bad CGI. GL is a weak writer so I am not gonna hold him too harshly for that. He should have hired ScreenWriter for prequels. He had the story but for gods sake let someone else write the dialogue.