I am on the same boat. Now we are grasping for straws atm. I also thinks that's why no one posted that much on the early day phase.
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Love Boat 2 [Mafia] |OT| Electric Boogalove
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I am on the same boat. Now we are grasping for straws atm. I also thinks that's why no one posted that much on the early day phase.
Why didn't you push kitsune more? Seemed like an obvious place to go; you were suspicious of them and it was the best pair to look at to figure out my alignment.On mobile so I didn't feel like trimming kitty's post but thanks for the answers.
For you to play in a consistent manner? Everyone plays differently but, again, you seem very concerned with tying to 'play the part' and keep up appearances. Inconsistent play usually stinks of scum trying to feign effort where they have none.everyone: you should try to read
me: does a read
everyone: your read isn't aggressive enough and too wishy washy
me: makes an aggressive read
everyone: your read is too aggressive
what in the name of the flying green octopus is it you want then?
Also for the one that asked, my read on dragonz hasn't changed at all.
Who is your top scum read out of fran and WAMD?
Unfortunately I ended up being very busy at the end of D2 due to wrapping stuff up for my new apartment. I missed the day end entirely and only got one more post out after the one you quoted and it was really short and just came from skimming.Why didn't you push kitsune more? Seemed like an obvious place to go; you were suspicious of them and it was the best pair to look at to figure out my alignment.
i feel like we got three options here
we lynch one of the people who didn't saying anything after receiving ouro/Kitty's messages
we lynch sawneeks & sorian
we lynch royal monkey
Uh, no one would have received the messages if Sorian/Sawneeks are telling the truth, even just about their targets and not specifically their alignment for that matter. Lynching Sorian seems shortsighted. If Sorian is a town roleblocker scum cannot afford to let them live to mylo/lylo. There's no reason to do scum's job for them.
Unfortunately I ended up being very busy at the end of D2 due to wrapping stuff up for my new apartment. I missed the day end entirely and only got one more post out after the one you quoted and it was really short and just came from skimming.
Summarize the thoughts you had back then. It's hard to see where you were apart from tunneling on me.
Summarize the thoughts you had back then. It's hard to see where you were apart from tunneling on me.
At the end of D2 I believe my thoughts were something like:
You
Royal
kit
Ouro
I had really latched onto you being scum at the time. Keep in mind it was still somewhat early so I didn't think the above where the exact scum team or anything. The one post from you I briefly responded to later on only made me feel more certain. I did my vote analysis/read updating in mine and nomad's chat that night phase though which led to the shift D3. I'm currently doing another one over there. Once I finish it up I should have more concrete thoughts.
if Sorian/Sawneeks are telling the truth
yeah and if they are lying it keeps all those players safe from a lynch and no risk of being night killed
yeah and if they are lying it keeps all those players safe from a lynch and no risk of being night killed
And if they're lying and survive for any significant amount of time without stopping a kill it'll become an easy lynch. Advocating for the lynch of what may very well be the only town PR worth a damn is a bad look.
CrimsonFist
Member
We shouldn't lynch Sawrian today. It's an issue that scum has no choice but to take care of for us. Their claimed PR is too powerful for scum to leave alive, and they can prove themselves by blocking scum.
If they're still alive and haven't caught scum by LYLO, then lynch them.
...why?
I mean I'd be ok lynching Star at this point, but not based on that reasoning.
If they're still alive and haven't caught scum by LYLO, then lynch them.
i feel like we got three options here
we lynch one of the people who didn't saying anything after receiving ouro/Kitty's messages
we lynch sawneeks & sorian
we lynch royal monkey
...why?
I mean I'd be ok lynching Star at this point, but not based on that reasoning.
CrimsonFist
Member
Oh, Natiko already said all that on this page
Oh, Natiko already said all that on this page
COLLUSION
CrimsonFist
Member
Vote: Starsketch
Partly due to process of elimination, I don't feel like there's anything their pair has done that looks townie. I know Star's always like this, which makes it hard to tell if she's just being herself, but you also have the revolving door partner, and Absolut also not looking great, especially with yesterday's voting.
Partly due to process of elimination, I don't feel like there's anything their pair has done that looks townie. I know Star's always like this, which makes it hard to tell if she's just being herself, but you also have the revolving door partner, and Absolut also not looking great, especially with yesterday's voting.
...why?
I mean I'd be ok lynching Star at this point, but not based on that reasoning.
because if one of the people who got messaged by ouro flips scum it places doubt on sawneeks claim, we take this route if everyone is afraid to lynch a pr
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
Vote: Starsketch
Partly due to process of elimination, I don't feel like there's anything their pair has done that looks townie. I know Star's always like this, which makes it hard to tell if she's just being herself, but you also have the revolving door partner, and Absolut also not looking great, especially with yesterday's voting.
How so?
hey_monkey
Banned
Because you mentioned low activity players and did not mention him. Ofc I realize that his partner is doing a great job. But it felt kinda weird not to include him, since you did mentioned individuals and not teams.
Regarding your second question.
No, not really. But a man can dream.
Again. You mentioned individuals yet you say that you did not include him because of natiko.
💭💭💭
I've played with him in several games. I do not find his posts alignment indicative. Or rather, I have not seen him as scum to my knowledge, so this is just his town play.
However, I wasn't just looking at activity, but contribution. NS is going to contribute what NS is going to contribute. However, you have done very little this game, per even your own admission, but your partner has all but disappeared after being everywhere. racohrs should be caught up by now but are doing nothing. Star is Star, but AbBro seemed like he was going to step in only to poof. So it wasn't just numbers, but analysis. Analyzing NS is a waste of time, as these pushes against me on it have been, but now I guess you look busy, huh?
hey_monkey
Banned
So, Ty, now that you're back, are you going to address my examples of the chat-reports and speaking for Trigger or nah? What's that all about?
I'm not totally persuaded by Fran on StarSketch, though I share his concern about Sorian stanning for her
....stanning?
The same reason a town Royal would have - he has other obligations this day phase and leaving it to monkey to do last minute isn't likely to help matters. Claims close to day end don't seem to end well for the one claiming from what I've seen. Thus, regardless of alignment it was likely better for them to get out in front of it when they were both available and not on the precipice of being lynched.
Hmm, fair point.
y tho?
Monkey already answered but I'll answer this too. Your predecessors don't have a good look and both you and rac are clean slates but haven't contributed enough of your thoughts to really get any solid look at both of you. Not explaining your thoughts or elaborating on them isn't helping either.
i feel like we got three options here
we lynch one of the people who didn't saying anything after receiving ouro/Kitty's messages
we lynch sawneeks & sorian
we lynch royal monkey
Sooo two PR claims and the two people who 'might be lying about getting a message in the first place' because possible 'collusion'.
Is there any other reason for wanting to lynch the above? Or anyone else you're scum reading at all?
because if one of the people who got messaged by ouro flips scum it places doubt on sawneeks claim, we take this route if everyone is afraid to lynch a pr
So you're willing to potentially mislynch two different people just because you don't trust us and for no reason other than that?
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
Unvote: nin1000
VOTE: StarSketch
VOTE: StarSketch
Yeah, but that was backed down from in the same post that it was put forward in. If it was meant to serve as that and bear still decided to be coy about how scum would be informed about it then that really fucked us.
One would have to assume scum have a targeted night command as well, or at least it seems like that would be likely. I know Sorian speculated role cop but with how weak the town roles have been I'm not sure how useful that would be for scum.
There's something adorable about you of all people calling someone out for coasting.
I'm inclined to believe Sorian's claim just because I don't know that if they were scum they would have pushed so hard against Ouro using that info nor come out and claimed at the start of D3. It does provide an explanation for Ouro that doesn't involve assuming scum made odd choices as well.
Looking at Sorian's day 2 activity, it reeks of a player who saw a town player defending a scum team mate and acted opportunistically. This explains Sorian's desire to split push two teams at once, favoring the Ourobolus wagon over Kitsu. They felt they had a freebie yesterday.
I don't know if I can see their reveal as alignment indicative. I can see Sorian making an antitown play like that, but two players both withholding info like that? It's odd. I can see both angles. That part reads as null.
Not a fan of Sorian's push for an activity lynch today. Seems like desperation. Not a fan of their play across the board. Wasn't a fan of Sawneeks and Sorian trying to set up sequential lynches yesterday. For being so confident that they were about to lynch scum in order to withhold vital info, they sure did a lot of "what if Ouro is actually town" scenarios.
At least I am pretty sure they did. I am typing in the car. I'll be back later to follow up on this.
Vote: Sorian
So you're willing to potentially mislynch two different people just because you don't trust us and for no reason other than that?
we already mislynched a town pr why stop now
Vote: Starsketch
Partly due to process of elimination, I don't feel like there's anything their pair has done that looks townie. I know Star's always like this, which makes it hard to tell if she's just being herself, but you also have the revolving door partner, and Absolut also not looking great, especially with yesterday's voting.
This could be fair as well. I don't know if I think we should wait till LYLO though, but I would be okay with putting it on hold for another day. I am nervous about procrasinating these things tho. They tend to make discussion really easy to control because scum knows they can just loop back on it if convenient
Monkey already answered but I'll answer this too. Your predecessors don't have a good look and both you and rac are clean slates but haven't contributed enough of your thoughts to really get any solid look at both of you. Not explaining your thoughts or elaborating on them isn't helping either.
explained my thoughts though, said I scumread you then was confused by the claim, then didnt trust the claim, now I want to see your flip. Not sure how I've been unclear
Why not ? Sometimes it's best just to stay away and or to do nothing.
It all depends on the player. Natiko is much more proactive as scum than that.
i feel like we got three options here
we lynch one of the people who didn't saying anything after receiving ouro/Kitty's messages
we lynch sawneeks & sorian
we lynch royal monkey
I think all of these choices are dumb. The first one actually making 0 sense.
Looking at Sorian's day 2 activity, it reeks of a player who saw a town player defending a scum team mate and acted opportunistically. This explains Sorian's desire to split push two teams at once, favoring the Ourobolus wagon over Kitsu. They felt they had a freebie yesterday.
I don't know if I can see their reveal as alignment indicative. I can see Sorian making an antitown play like that, but two players both withholding info like that? It's odd. I can see both angles. That part reads as null.
Not a fan of Sorian's push for an activity lynch today. Seems like desperation. Not a fan of their play across the board. Wasn't a fan of Sawneeks and Sorian trying to set up sequential lynches yesterday. For being so confident that they were about to lynch scum in order to withhold vital info, they sure did a lot of "what if Ouro is actually town" scenarios.
At least I am pretty sure they did. I am typing in the car. I'll be back later to follow up on this.
Vote: Sorian
Excuse me? Where am I asking for an activity lynch? Are you even reading the thread? Also, where did I do a "what if Ouro is town" scenario? I did a "what if Ouro was really telling the truth about being roleblocked" scenario because no shit, I know he was roleblocked. You and nin are slinging shit at the wall again.
I wasn't counting you. I actually forgot you were a replacement. That comment was squarely on AB, rac, and acohrs.
You're right and if I were scum, I would have been riding kitsune into the ground from hour one after that terrible argument with dragonz and the lack of any substance at all in their reads lists., not pussy footing around the issue.
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In regards to the low activity, I can see that being the case. Ouro was a super easy scapegoat yesterday and it wasn't hard to be active and bury him. Today, there isn't a simple target. I was actually expecting more for us but everyone seems to be dancing around it, as if they know that it's another mislynch and they don't want to be caught out on two of those in a row.I don;t want to knock Ty for moving, I don't remember him saying that but it's all feeding into the same theory.
I see scum in Ty/Trigger, Darryl/nin, and Xbro/Kark and they are all low activity. Admittingly, Xbro and Kark are better but only slightly.
You're bandwagoning hey_monkey here and trying to angle for a low activity lynch lol. Sounds desperate to me
After looking over some of the votes, voting justifications, and breakdown of the different wagons I feel more gathered in my thoughts again. My strongest feelings on scum at this point would be that either Kark/Xbro or Crimson/Sophia are likely to be scum. I believe that there was likely to be at least one scum on the kitsune lynch and feel that it's also unlikely that there were zero scum on the Orb/TWE lynch D1 of which Crimson and Xbro are the only people on it that aren't confirmed town or a strong town lean in my book (Dr. Worm and Sorian). D3 for both groups are also not reassuring as Kark and Xbro just hop on the Ouro lynch fairly late comparatively while Crimson and Sophia never bother to put votes down. If I was to pick one of the two pairs that I would think is most likely to produce scum then I would go with Crimson and Sophia.
VOTE: CrimsonFist
The biggest reasoning being D1 end doesn't feel like a push to save Kark and there aren't many votes that could have been the ones pushing to save him if he is scum. This makes me feel Crimson/Sophia are the more likely scum duo.
I would also vote out rac/acohrs or Star if it came down to it because I still lean scum on both, just not as strongly as one of the pairs mentioned above. Star really is all down to the fact that her and her shuffling partners have given us almost nothing. There's not even much vote history to look at. The lack of info makes Star/AB a concern. rac/acohrs on the other hand have a bit more behind them. I already mentioned how I think Crimson/Sophia (or potentially Kark/Xbro) will flip scum and part of that is due to D1. Rac/acohrs predecessors voted on the counter wagon in that situation. They then also voted off wagon D2 while FEP voted counter wagon and potentially the other scum bussed kit/FEP.
TLDR:
Preferred lynch today (from yes to fine with it):
Crimson/Sophia
Kark/Xbro
rac/acohrs
Star/AB
VOTE: CrimsonFist
The biggest reasoning being D1 end doesn't feel like a push to save Kark and there aren't many votes that could have been the ones pushing to save him if he is scum. This makes me feel Crimson/Sophia are the more likely scum duo.
I would also vote out rac/acohrs or Star if it came down to it because I still lean scum on both, just not as strongly as one of the pairs mentioned above. Star really is all down to the fact that her and her shuffling partners have given us almost nothing. There's not even much vote history to look at. The lack of info makes Star/AB a concern. rac/acohrs on the other hand have a bit more behind them. I already mentioned how I think Crimson/Sophia (or potentially Kark/Xbro) will flip scum and part of that is due to D1. Rac/acohrs predecessors voted on the counter wagon in that situation. They then also voted off wagon D2 while FEP voted counter wagon and potentially the other scum bussed kit/FEP.
TLDR:
Preferred lynch today (from yes to fine with it):
Crimson/Sophia
Kark/Xbro
rac/acohrs
Star/AB
Not a fan of Sorian's push for an activity lynch today. Seems like desperation. Not a fan of their play across the board. Wasn't a fan of Sawneeks and Sorian trying to set up sequential lynches yesterday. For being so confident that they were about to lynch scum in order to withhold vital info, they sure did a lot of "what if Ouro is actually town" scenarios.
??????
we already mislynched a town pr why stop now
To not let that happen again?
Also nice deflect but you didn't answer my question.
explained my thoughts though, said I scumread you then was confused by the claim, then didnt trust the claim, now I want to see your flip. Not sure how I've been unclear
You've already said that but you haven't explained the why. Why do you scum read me? Why don't you trust the claim? etc etc etc.
and before you say 'I explained that too', all I could find other than 'it's my gut' was this:
before the claim, I was scumreading Sawneeks based on my exposure to this game so far. Her prod vote of rac (and me) reminded me of when we first played together so many moons ago. Since the claim though, I'm not sure, might have been more a nostalgia/meta read.
and that's not an explanation. :x
Also, whatever happened to this?
There are two other pairs that interest me though, need to read more into them.
hey_monkey
Banned
The thing about calling out StarBro/racohors/and to a degree, Ninrryl, is that none of these are activity lynches by the numbers. They're activity callouts due to contribution or shift in activity. Casting them as though it's just an activity lynch feels a little false (and in no case is it even a lynch). StarBro is the one that comes closest, and that's been a longstanding discussion point - regardless of alignment, is Star reliable if we get to mylo? I thought AbBro was going to come out strong but now I'd cast him there, too.
At that point, it might be worth bringing NatikoSparks into the conversation because while Natiko is reliable, NS's erratic voting patterns are not, but we are not to that point and I would put them further down a list.
My thought processes right now:
Darryl/nin - nin's weird "I didn't care about the game" thing aside, if they come back up in productive activity over the day phase, I'm not particularly concerned, depending on what happens there. As in, I would move to analyzing content rather than patterns.
racohrs - relatively high on my list right now for not doing much but drive-bys post subbing in, Some remarks, some activity, but nothing substantial despite them saying so (as in, saying "I gave my thoughts," etc.)
Tygger - I find Ty very shady the last two day phases, avoiding anything particularly controversial while pushing questions in other directions. It's evasive and it feels very calculated. Right now, this is probably my #1.
StarBro - I would like to see what happens over the day phase but I've already made this argument several times; no need to revisit.
Sawrian - I have a very complex reaction to Sawrian in general. Honestly, similar to Dr. Fran (mostly fran himself). I don't always like the way they do things or the choices they make, and they aren't choices I would make or actions I would take, but I think the game has had enough odd roles, from my perspective as silencer, from seeing the loved scum flip, that a town hooker is not outside the realm of possibility. I don't like the approach they took day two but I'm not more than 50/50 on it being scummy and on the post-OuroKitty flip day, that's not enough for me to lynch.
Natiko and NS and Sophist right now are not on my radar so I will say I'm reading them as town. I would like to hear more from Sophia today; she has been active and productive, but some of it is repetitive and I'd like to hear her responses to pushbacks and disagreements today.
At that point, it might be worth bringing NatikoSparks into the conversation because while Natiko is reliable, NS's erratic voting patterns are not, but we are not to that point and I would put them further down a list.
My thought processes right now:
Darryl/nin - nin's weird "I didn't care about the game" thing aside, if they come back up in productive activity over the day phase, I'm not particularly concerned, depending on what happens there. As in, I would move to analyzing content rather than patterns.
racohrs - relatively high on my list right now for not doing much but drive-bys post subbing in, Some remarks, some activity, but nothing substantial despite them saying so (as in, saying "I gave my thoughts," etc.)
Tygger - I find Ty very shady the last two day phases, avoiding anything particularly controversial while pushing questions in other directions. It's evasive and it feels very calculated. Right now, this is probably my #1.
StarBro - I would like to see what happens over the day phase but I've already made this argument several times; no need to revisit.
Sawrian - I have a very complex reaction to Sawrian in general. Honestly, similar to Dr. Fran (mostly fran himself). I don't always like the way they do things or the choices they make, and they aren't choices I would make or actions I would take, but I think the game has had enough odd roles, from my perspective as silencer, from seeing the loved scum flip, that a town hooker is not outside the realm of possibility. I don't like the approach they took day two but I'm not more than 50/50 on it being scummy and on the post-OuroKitty flip day, that's not enough for me to lynch.
Natiko and NS and Sophist right now are not on my radar so I will say I'm reading them as town. I would like to hear more from Sophia today; she has been active and productive, but some of it is repetitive and I'd like to hear her responses to pushbacks and disagreements today.
Out of these, if Ouro flipped Town, I'd be more suspect of Darryl and Royal for jumping over so quickly, Royal especially.
Since this looks like it is going to give you two a collective aneurysm, here is an example. I think you guys both did it. Y'all say you guys were so dead certain Ouro was scum that you withheld some pretty crucial info in determining his lynch, but you're still engaging in what if scenarios if they're not. To me, it doesn't look like you guys were dead certain at all. You'll humor him being town enough to try to throw me and Royal downhill, but you won't humor him being town enough to play in an appropriate manner
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
to be honest, I was also certain that Ouro was scum and WHOOPSIE DOODLES
to be honest, I was also certain that Ouro was scum and WHOOPSIE DOODLES
I wasn't THAT convinced. Like, not enough to lie to town over it. I thought Ouro was tonally scum day 1 but I flipped that read over sometime day 2. I bet on Ouro getting lynched day 3 because of circumstances. He was a loose end, if anything.
hey_monkey
Banned
Apologies hey_monkey, but wifi is a bit spotty here, so you'll have to settle for Crimson alone. I'll try and keep up tho.
It's cool, shit happens, but I have my eyeball on you. (Actually, not really; you are pretty unassuming but maybe that's your plan)
Since this looks like it is going to give you two a collective aneurysm, here is an example. I think you guys both did it. Y'all say you guys were so dead certain Ouro was scum that you withheld some pretty crucial info in determining his lynch, but you're still engaging in what if scenarios if they're not. To me, it doesn't look like you guys were dead certain at all. You'll humor him being town enough to try to throw me and Royal downhill, but you won't humor him being town enough to play in an appropriate manner
Oh yeah. To be totally honest I forgot about that post since most of it was directed at Royal and after his claim I was much more focused on that and what to make of it. Also I'm sorry that my dead certain is being 99% sure but also being conscious of the fact that I can be wrong??
hey_monkey
Banned
Since this looks like it is going to give you two a collective aneurysm, here is an example. I think you guys both did it. Y'all say you guys were so dead certain Ouro was scum that you withheld some pretty crucial info in determining his lynch, but you're still engaging in what if scenarios if they're not. To me, it doesn't look like you guys were dead certain at all. You'll humor him being town enough to try to throw me and Royal downhill, but you won't humor him being town enough to play in an appropriate manner
Yeah, I will say the withholding bothers me quite a bit. I don't know that it would have saved OuroKitty but it would have certainly changed the tenor of the conversation and who knows what would have come out. Now it's all past perspective that we're working with.
But I also feel like scum wouldn't have revealed. It's a big meta play. Now, if anyone's gonna do that and pull it off, it's y'all, but while I'm not one to start yelling about razors and simplicity, that does seem more complicated than this particular game entails. It would have been easier to not claim.
But I'll reserve judgment for a bit.
I'm a little lost on why everyone thinks Sorian should have claimed yesterday. Sorian agreed that Ouro had been blocked and didn't push that angle from what I recall, but felt that Ouro was likely scum anyways. What would claiming have accomplished in that moment? The fact that they claimed at day start today is a positive impression because if they were scum they could have left it alone and there would be at least a bit more pressure on Star out of the gate. So unless the remaining scum is exactly Sorian and Star I don't understand how this would add up to scum Sorian.
hey_monkey
Banned
Yeah, I do agree, Natiko, and I think there were hints enough. That's why I say it's all past perspective now and we're just judging that based on what we know and how we might have played. I feel very both sides on this one. That's why I'm looking elsewhere.
Do you think Star is the best vote today?
Do you think Star is the best vote today?
You're bandwagoning hey_monkey here and trying to angle for a low activity lynch lol. Sounds desperate to me
I can;t bandwagon when I'm the first one to bring it up:
Also, I'm fine with this Star logic. I've said many times, I don't know how to read here because her play is always honest I guess? The mistakes she makes are clearly real, I don't think she'd make less of them as scum so it's harder to read. That said, I do still think there was a busser in the group of Xbro, Trigger, and nin1000. Wouldn't be surprised if both teams are in here.
For now I am going to
VOTE: Trigger
Because I haven't spent nearly enough time here and that's bothered me. Ty is always one that I go back and forth on when trying to read and he's been the face of the team for awhile. I haven't exactly gotten full town read from him and Trigger coming out for that vote makes it feel like they knew they had to be there for it.
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Also, i realize I glazed over Crimson's question because I saw that out claim happened. I'm not sure how else I can explain my votes so far. Orb at the end of day 1 was me trying to make a second wagon happen. I took who was in second place and propped them up more. Darryl tied Kitsune with Orb seconds before I voted Orb, could I have switched? Sure but I wasn't going to start flip flopping the second wagon since that tells me nothing, there are no stakes if the top wagon is still secure.
Day 2, I thought both kitsune and Ouro were scum and wanted to put scummates in a no win situation. kitsune lynch did not need my help for steam, it was all there already and. again, I want the competing lynch because no matter how sure I am, I can be wrong (shock) and didn't just want a barrel over on kitsune and potentially end up with another town lynch but with no real info. My day 3 is clear, theory 1 was right on kitsune, I now want to push over to theory 2 and lynch Ouro. Obviously I knew he was blocked and he clearly did too since he brought it up but that doesn't mean anything. Me blocking him or him knowing doesn't suddenly make him town. The fact that we're hookers who sat on him twice should also answer pretty much everything about the "weird" theories.
You are trying to rewrite history and nin is trying to undermine.
VOTE: Darryl
Personally? No, but I think they're an acceptable vote. I feel like I have the least confidence in them flipping scum of my scum leans because most of my reasoning on them is a lack of participation, voting, etc which I think would be the case for Star regardless of alignment. I just also think Star reaching mylo/lylo is a liability both due to how easy it would be to vote her regardless of alignment and also due to how oblivious she can be of the general game state. I would join a Star lynch over everyone I didn't name in my post above though.Yeah, I do agree, Natiko, and I think there were hints enough. That's why I say it's all past perspective now and we're just judging that based on what we know and how we might have played. I feel very both sides on this one. That's why I'm looking elsewhere.
Do you think Star is the best vote today?
I'm a little lost on why everyone thinks Sorian should have claimed yesterday. Sorian agreed that Ouro had been blocked and didn't push that angle from what I recall, but felt that Ouro was likely scum anyways. What would claiming have accomplished in that moment? The fact that they claimed at day start today is a positive impression because if they were scum they could have left it alone and there would be at least a bit more pressure on Star out of the gate. So unless the remaining scum is exactly Sorian and Star I don't understand how this would add up to scum Sorian.
I said in the thread last day that if there was any reason to believe that what Ouro was saying was true, that they would lean town to me. So this is just me following my leads. It seems like a lie by omission to me since we were deceived just to get a lynch in, and this is a lynch liars mentality taking over
I'm a little lost on why everyone thinks Sorian should have claimed yesterday. Sorian agreed that Ouro had been blocked and didn't push that angle from what I recall, but felt that Ouro was likely scum anyways. What would claiming have accomplished in that moment? The fact that they claimed at day start today is a positive impression because if they were scum they could have left it alone and there would be at least a bit more pressure on Star out of the gate. So unless the remaining scum is exactly Sorian and Star I don't understand how this would add up to scum Sorian.
Thank you!
I've been trying to wrap my head around it as well and I don't get it. Claiming yesterday wouldn't have done anything except get our role out so Scum know who we are and I explained multiple times over that Day Phase why I thought Ouro was scum regardless of him being blocked or not. Claiming changes none of those examples and I don't understand why it's so heinous that we didn't.
But where explicitly did Sorian lie? Did he say he didn't think Ouro had been blocked? We know that the role Ouro had can be given to any alignment as well so even if we believed his claim and believed he was blocked that likely wouldn't have changed his lynch. He played in an obfuscating and anti-town manner, that's on him.I said in the thread last day that if there was any reason to believe that what Ouro was saying was true, that they would lean town to me. So this is just me following my leads. It seems like a lie by omission to me since we were deceived just to get a lynch in, and this is a lynch liars mentality taking over
I can;t bandwagon when I'm the first one to bring it up:
You are trying to rewrite history and nin is trying to undermine.
VOTE: Darryl
Man I have no clue what you are even talking about. Jesus Christ. Are you advocating for a lynch on low activity? You said no. Then I responded. Now you're not only a bandwagon but you are actually the leader of a low activity Lynch (???) I read that post and I don't even understand where it fits in to anything at all (???)
But where explicitly did Sorian lie? Did he say he didn't think Ouro had been blocked? We know that the role Ouro had can be given to any alignment as well so even if we believed his claim and believed he was blocked that likely wouldn't have changed his lynch. He played in an obfuscating and anti-town manner, that's on him.
I said lie by omission. You can't explicitly lie in a lie by omission. It is about things you don't say that are important for the discussion
Errr..did you really read the post? Because he didn't vote based on activity.Man I have no clue what you are even talking about. Jesus Christ. Are you advocating for a lynch on low activity? You said no. Then I responded. Now you're not only a bandwagon but you are actually the leader of a low activity Lynch (???) I read that post and I don't even understand where it fits in to anything at all (???)
How would their claim have done anything to confirm Ouro's alignment?I said lie by omission. You can't explicitly lie in a lie by omission. It is about things you don't say that are important for the discussion
Man I have no clue what you are even talking about. Jesus Christ. Are you advocating for a lynch on low activity? You said no. Then I responded. Now you're not only a bandwagon but you are actually the leader of a low activity Lynch (???) I read that post and I don't even understand where it fits in to anything at all (???)
Did you read the post I quoted? Why am I looking at nin, Trigger, and Xbro? If you think it's low activity then I think you're blind or full of shit.
To dumb it down for you though, I can't be bandwagoning someone else's idea when I've already put forward my scum reads and then they also fall into a different scummy behavior that I wasn't pursuing.
Also, this is a super dumb argument. I don't regret not claiming yesterday. I saw no reason to. Ouro's scum read had exactly 0 to do with whether he was blocked or not. I was very particular to make sure that I always put forward that he probably was blocked as my first guess but that never actually said a single thing about his alignment.
We would've known he wasn't bullshitting about being blocked. That kinda matters; many thought it was impossible for him to have been blocked twice in a row (scum hookers would look for the virgins) and that the claim was just something convenient to stay alive.How would their claim have done anything to confirm Ouro's alignment?
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I said in the thread last day that if there was any reason to believe that what Ouro was saying was true, that they would lean town to me. So this is just me following my leads. It seems like a lie by omission to me since we were deceived just to get a lynch in, and this is a lynch liars mentality taking over
The thing is, Ouro's evasion probably would have gotten him lynched anyway. Though I PERSONALLY would have liked to know last day phase the fact that they really WERE blocked wouldn't erase the other behaviors. I can't speak for others but it was a small part of a larger game and I cannot agree that Sawrian were the ones who made any of that happened. For you PERSONALLY that seems to have been a big deal... but was that the only part you doubted, the block? It was always possible. Even now it's only probable.
And listen, I did cool on Ouro and I moved my vote. I get where you're coming from. But I think it's just one piece in a larger puzzle.