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[theonerayman]

Okay. So does this mean it'll sell more than PS4 Pro?

I have no idea. I'm not even sure we know how much the pro has sold (at least I haven't seen it) but the hype SEEMS(read seems not 1000% guarantee that it is) to be larger. People are clearly willing to spend 500 bucks on a legitimate power upgrade.

 

[Greigor The Fellhand]

I mean, I didn't really see this as a selling conference. It knew everyone was there waiting for the preorder to open so they just did a check this stuff of show (which kinda fell on its face). It's obvious that's all this was because even major nelson couldn't even be bothered to show up in person.

As for the Microsoft Xbox is done! Crowd, nah it'll keep ticking. Honestly the ps4 pro and the one x are what I thought this gen should've been from the start power wise.

The one thing I am disappointed by everyone in I'd the a.i., and mechanics (story and gameplay) In games, it doesn't seem like that's been a priority. In stead graphics have been top lately.

I look forward to next years e3 to see what the Xbox exclusives can do with the one x

 

[xxracerxx]

Well this was uncalled for but let's run with it shall we. The gamestop I frequent is in the top 7 to 10% in both game and hardware sales company wide. When you have a customer base that large and move that much volume you can certainly pick up on trends. Yes it's only one store, but I'd be willing to wager that it's similar in other places.

Where are you getting your information from? Do you work for Gamestop?

Not saying you are wrong, but I wouldn't trust just being told this by the employees there.

 

[Lord of Ostia]

Well this was uncalled for but let's run with it shall we. The gamestop I frequent is in the top 7 to 10% in both game and hardware sales company wide. When you have a customer base that large and move that much volume you can certainly pick up on trends. Yes it's only one store, but I'd be willing to wager that it's similar in other places.

That could mean a lot of things. It could mean the people in your area are very dialed into the games industry and thus want the latest hardware. It could mean people where you are at just really love Xbox. It could mean nothing and your store is an anomoly compared to most. It could be total crap and you don't even work at a store like that, and you just pulled those numbers out of your ass. Not saying you are lying, just saying none of us here know whether or not what you've said is representative nor true, which is why anecdotal evidence is useless when discussing this sort of thing.

Edit: just realized you didn't claim to work there. Does your info come from store clerks? Gamestop store clerks aren't exactly a great source of info.

 

[TharpDaddy]

It is strange that Japanese developers are not putting their hard worked games on Xbox as well considering the architecture should be almost the same? It's like saying no to plenty of almost free millions of dollars.
This has to change and MS should have this as a priority to sort it out.

At some point it's just not worth doing. Xbox has little to no audience in Japan, so those developers would be fully banking on there being a western audience on Xbox who would buy enough copies to make up for the effort of porting it. I don't know if that audience is there, honestly. I imagine most people who want Japanese games just have a PS4 or a Switch, it just makes the most sense to focus their efforts on those platforms than trying to appeal to the (likely limited) Japanese-game loving audience on Xbox who doesn't have one of the other platforms as well.

 

[soldierblue]

Even looking back at the 360, while it wasn't quite as bad, the library of exclusives is pretty weak compared. I mean, in the second half of it's like, the PS3 made up a lot of ground. Imagine if the PS3's price point at launch was better and it didn't have such an issue with multiplats...

 

[Neuromancer]

I find it strange how the X1X being launched with no big exclusive and only multiplats and old games getting patched is treated as some abysmal launch, when that's exactly how the PS4 Pro launched and didnt get anywhere near this kind of blowback.
Is it because of the $100 extra vs the Pro?
Is it because of how MS is hyping it up versus the lukewarm reveal of the Pro?

I'd like to think it's a mix of both, but the huge amount of blowback still confuses me simply because the Pro launched almost identically, with no first party showcase games to boot and less features overall.

Many people were unenthusiastic about the PS4 Pro as well.

 

[xxracerxx]

Many people were unenthusiastic about the PS4 Pro as well.

Truth.

 

[neojubei]

i appreciate rick and morty gifs.

Many people were unenthusiastic about the PS4 Pro as well.

I'm one of them. My regular ps4 still plays horizon and uncharted pretty well so no use in buying a supped up system to play the same games.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Wasnt it said the the Matt that everyone thought he was, was actually someone else, but he was riding the wave of being an "insider". Or something similar to that

I'm an 'insider' and I've been banned twice... GAF takes no prisoners.

 

[Neuromancer]

Lololol GameCube Hut

Who's the guy on the right and what was the video where he did that spawning so many gifs?

 

[Abdiel]

Well this was uncalled for but let's run with it shall we. The gamestop I frequent is in the top 7 to 10% in both game and hardware sales company wide. When you have a customer base that large and move that much volume you can certainly pick up on trends. Yes it's only one store, but I'd be willing to wager that it's similar in other places.

I mean... Yes, the preorders are doing well it seems across the board, which is good, but it is completely in line with what I expected to see. The people expressing interest and pursuing the product thus far have been 90+% existing owners replacing existing models of their Xbox hardware. In our gaming conference call among the supervisors for the entire district, that is the sentiment expressed as well, as we're seeing a big push on trade in of existing Xbox models to go with that, including customers expressing the desire to get their trades in before potential drop in trade value due to the big push in traded consoles.

Which is exactly as expected. That is their market and audience. It's not catering to a general audience. And most of the customers with PS4s interested in multi-plat games, aren't going to get their entire group to suddenly change platforms even if they might be interested in the XBX.

(shrug)

 

[Justified]

I'm an 'insider' and I've been banned twice... GAF takes no prisoners.

I wasnt suggesting he was banned for that, but moreso wondering if he was verified as being the "Matt" people thought he was

 

[EmiPrime]

At some point it's just not worth doing. Xbox has little to no audience in Japan, so those developers would be fully banking on there being a western audience on Xbox who would buy enough copies to make up for the effort of porting it. I don't know if that audience is there, honestly. I imagine most people who want Japanese games just have a PS4 or a Switch, it just makes the most sense to focus their efforts on those platforms than trying to appeal to the (likely limited) Japanese-game loving audience on Xbox who doesn't have one of the other platforms as well.

That's exactly it. The Switch sells more in 1 week than the Xbox One has sold in almost 4 years and in the west Xbox One owners don't buy Japanese games: https://www.videogamer.com/news/79-of-uk-final-fantasy-xv-sales-were-on-ps4-21-xbox-one

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

I wasnt suggesting he was banned for that, but moreso wondering if he was verified as being the "Matt" people thought he was

I really don't know - I guess you'd have to ask the mods. I always thought Matt was a developer and considered his input generally insightful - is he a bullshitter?

All I can really confirm is that industry bods gets no special treatment from mods.

Looking at his post history, Matt was banned for dumb-ass comments in a politics thread in off-topic. His ban is completely unrelated to his status as an insider, lol

I can relate to this.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Looking at his post history, Matt was banned for dumb-ass comments in a politics thread in off-topic. His ban is completely unrelated to his status as an insider, lol

I'm 95% certain this is the thread that got Matt banned

 

[Inuhanyou]

It is strange that Japanese developers are not putting their hard worked games on Xbox as well considering the architecture should be almost the same? It's like saying no to plenty of almost free millions of dollars.
This has to change and MS should have this as a priority to sort it out.

There are plenty of Japanese games on Xbox...but the reason why the ones that are missing Xbox are missing it, is because those developers don't feel there is an audience there, and they are likely correct based on past trends

 

[bigjig]

Calls Gears, Halo and Forza yesterday's news.

Says they need Zelda and Uncharted....

Huh? Zelda is both older and has way more titles and Uncharted and Gears are running concurrently along the same timeline with the same number of games.

Wake me when Gears reinvents itself to anywhere near the level Zelda does

 

[Justified]

Looking at his post history, Matt was banned for dumb-ass comments in a politics thread in off-topic. His ban is completely unrelated to his status as an insider, lol

I'm 95% certain this is the thread that got Matt banned

Just to get not get too far off topic this will be my final reply about it. But as I said I wasnt suggesting that he was banned for anything "insider related" but was just curious if he was actually vetted as one. It seems people still hold him in high regards as one.

Last remember people were wondering because the whole time he was thought to be Matt from IGN (??) and it was starting to be questioned

 

[Maverick-ick]

That's exactly it. The Switch sells more in 1 week than the Xbox One has sold in almost 4 years and in the west Xbox One owners don't buy Japanese games: https://www.videogamer.com/news/79-of-uk-final-fantasy-xv-sales-were-on-ps4-21-xbox-one

Looking at ******** ffxv is up to 0.9 million. It's not good but it's not awful. *vg
http://www.********.com/gamedb/?name=Final+fantasy+xv
But perhaps ffxv is an exception considering its huge popularity around the globe. I wonder how Persona 5 would do on Xbox...

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

I think you missed the point there.

Gears 4 and Halo 5 simply were not able to generate the hype (or acclaim) as Uncharted 4 or Breath of the Wild. And Breath of the Wild completely reinvented the series.

The article was not talking about the age of the franchise.

So if Halo 6 and Gears 5 turn out amazing all is forgiven?

I doubt it.

 

[TheFatMan]

I wanted to pull the trigger on the X One X. It's beautiful and super powerful. But I just can't.

Mostly for the reasons that article stated.

Almost none of my friends game on the Xbox anymore. And there are no big title games I feel like I MUST have like there is with God of War and Spider Man and Uncharted etc.

I just need more of a reason than "it's really powerful" to spend almost 600 dollars (after tax) on a system when I already have a PS4 Pro.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

Looking at ******** ffxv is up to 0.9 million. It's not good but it's not awful. *vg
http://www.********.com/gamedb/?name=Final+fantasy+xv
But perhaps ffxv is an exception considering its huge popularity around the globe. I wonder how Persona 5 would do on Xbox...

did you just cite numbers from chartz lol

Just to get not get too far off topic this will be my final reply about it. But as I said I wasnt suggesting that he was banned for anything "insider related" but was just curious if he was actually vetted as one. It seems people still hold him in high regards as one.

Last remember people were wondering because the whole time he was thought to be Matt from IGN (??) and it was starting to be questioned

never did i think he was someone from ign

i always thought he was somehow related to a developer

 

[Maximo]

Pro didn't have a 17 month hype cycle

Yep the amount of stupid teasing and deflated hype building from Microsoft and Phill was making it out to be the second coming of Xbox saying how important the lineup for XBox One X was, PS Pro was rightly shit on by many especially journalists hell the biggest Playstation Podcast and ones invited to PSX thought the PS Pro was a complete dud.

 

[Papacheeks]

So if Halo 6 and Gears 5 turn out amazing all is forgiven?

I doubt it.

The issue people keep bringing up is Xbox has been unsuccessful in creating a new series, IP that is really exciting this gen. Sunset overdrive is the only one I can think of besides maybe Ori that really shines and represents xbox in some capacity.

Playstation and Nintendo has been able to have the same developers that made franchise games for them make something else that actually garners attention and hype.

Where is XBox's Horizon? Where is xbox's next gears of war killer, or Halo killer?

They just don't have the studios and right now would rather have sequels to proved franchises then invest in something that may not become great till a sequel.

 

[Maximo]

It is strange that Japanese developers are not putting their hard worked games on Xbox as well considering the architecture should be almost the same? It's like saying no to plenty of almost free millions of dollars.
This has to change and MS should have this as a priority to sort it out.

 

[Chris1]

Where is xbox's next gears of war killer, or Halo killer?

I mean you realise how stupid that sounds right?

 

[Papacheeks]

I mean you realise how stupid that sounds right?

Wow.

No I don't Chris please enlighten me why XBox can't have another team within the giant studios at i343 or Coalition work on something that becomes a big hit like gears? I never said It had to be like gears, just something that gets people talking again like gears did back when they first showed it.

Just like HORIZON got people talking, LIKE last of us, now like New god of war.

That;s what I mean. It can be a Sci-fi shooter, or a adventure\fantasy game or even a car combat game with a cool open world. what ever just something to get people to look at xbox brand again.

Wow, you are seriously defensive in almost all these xbox threads seriously.

 

[OmegaDL50]

I completely agree with Eurogamer. They made some excellent hardware but it means nothing if the software isn’t there.

That being said, I’m building a gaming PC next year but I pre-ordered an Xbone X. The only reasons I did was for Halo and 360 BC, plus it’s a good media player (native Plex application, better codec support, 4K Blu-Ray and it’s quiet) but is it worth it for $500? I’m not really sure but I have a few months to make up my mind.

Isn’t Halo 6 supposed to come out on PC as well?

Yup, agreed.

You can have the most powerful console hardware in the world but it all amounts to nothing if you don't have quality games it has in it's library to support it.

While the strength of 3rd party releases will have some advantages on the Xbox One X, I think Microsoft needs to push to have their own specific killer app that will demonstrate the capabilities of the X, much I think what Horizon: Zero Dawn did for the PS4 Pro.

I'm not sure if Forza 7 is enough to fulfill that role. I love the Forza series myself, but I think Microsoft really needs to start to spreading out it's software diversity and not be so tight leashed with it's partners. We don't need any more scenarios and poor mismanagement that lead to the cancellations of stuff like Fable Legends and Scalebound.

They may have the hardware now, but they need to push the software output now too.

 

[Widge]

Many people were unenthusiastic about the PS4 Pro as well.

I still am. I've got a PC at the moment and it's cheapest for me to get on with PS4 games with the base model. The lustre of the more powerful models just isn't all that for me.

 

[Duderino]

I find it strange how the X1X being launched with no big exclusive and only multiplats and old games getting patched is treated as some abysmal launch, when that's exactly how the PS4 Pro launched and didnt get anywhere near this kind of blowback.
Is it because of the $100 extra vs the Pro?
Is it because of how MS is hyping it up versus the lukewarm reveal of the Pro?

I'd like to think it's a mix of both, but the huge amount of blowback still confuses me simply because the Pro launched almost identically, with no first party showcase games to boot and less features overall.

The pro had plenty of blowback, but it was more in response to the system being the first mid cycle console refresh, people coming to terms with checkerboarding, and the problematic patch support.

Microsoft's rollout in theory should go much smoother. Unfortunately for them, people just don't have the same confidence in their first party to help justify the purchase during it's limited lifespan. Realistically they've got maybe 2-3 years before the box becomes outdated and looses its primary appeal. State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, and Sea of Theaves will all find an audience, but as of E3 they visually do not stand out as technical showcases for the machine. Forza definitely does, but how long until the next Microsoft exclusive can hit a similar high mark?

And their lies Microsoft's biggest problem, someone not in the know could be forgiven for thinking Sony's box had the technical edge based on the first party games slated for 2018. Microsoft needs greater first party investment in graphics tech to keep in pace with the hardware, and not just at their top earning studios.

 

[The_Endgamer]

I'm buying one, but Forza alone isn't a system seller. How didn't they have at least a Gears, Halo, or new IP to launch? They knew when they'd release the Xbox One X, why launch it with multi-platform games and a few so so titles?

Pretty Strange. I mean the 'New 3DS' had Xenoblade Chronicles run exclusively on the system. Direct comparison there.

No similar example here...

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

I mean... Yes, the preorders are doing well it seems across the board, which is good, but it is completely in line with what I expected to see. The people expressing interest and pursuing the product thus far have been 90+% existing owners replacing existing models of their Xbox hardware. In our gaming conference call among the supervisors for the entire district, that is the sentiment expressed as well, as we're seeing a big push on trade in of existing Xbox models to go with that, including customers expressing the desire to get their trades in before potential drop in trade value due to the big push in traded consoles.

Which is exactly as expected. That is their market and audience. It's not catering to a general audience. And most of the customers with PS4s interested in multi-plat games, aren't going to get their entire group to suddenly change platforms even if they might be interested in the XBX.

(shrug)

Don't know if you can go into specifics Abdiel, but in your store/district how many sales of the X out of every 10 would you say were made by people who were first time purchasers of the Xbox One? I know you often ask your customers things like this.

 

[Chris1]

Wow.

No I don't Chris please enlighten me why XBox can't have another team within the giant studios at i343 or Coalition work on something that becomes a big hit like gears? I never said It had to be like gears, just something that gets people talking again like gears did back when they first showed it.

Just like HORIZON got people talking, LIKE last of us, now like New god of war.

That;s what I mean. It can be a Sci-fi shooter, or a adventure\fantasy game or even a car combat game with a cool open world. what ever just something to get people to look at xbox brand again.

Wow, you are seriously defensive in almost all these xbox threads seriously.

That's not what you said at all. You literally asked where the next Halo or Gears killer was.

Why does MS need a Halo or Gears killer? Why is that even smart? "Let's make a new IP to kill an IP we already own and has made over a billion dollars each"

Go post in a Sony thread "Why doesn't Sony make an uncharted/god of war killer?" and see how badly you get laughed at lol, maybe then you'll realise how stupid that statement was


Wow, you are seriously aggressive in almost all these xbox threads seriously.

 

[CaptainofIndustry]

Controversial opinion: exclusives this gen have sucked on both sides.

Ok guy.

 

[Lord of Ostia]

The pro had plenty of blowback, but it was more in response to the system being the first mid cycle console refresh, people coming to terms with checkerboarding, and the problematic patch support.

Microsoft's rollout in theory should go much smoother. Unfortunately for them, people just don't have the same confidence in their first party to help justify the purchase during it's limited lifespan. Realistically they've got maybe 2-3 years before the box becomes outdated and looses its primary appeal. State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, and Sea of Theaves will all find an audience, but as of E3 they visually do not stand out as technical showcases for the machine. Forza definitely does, but how long until the next Microsoft exclusive can hit a similar high mark?

And their lies Microsoft's biggest problem, someone not in the know could be forgiven for thinking Sony's box had the technical edge based on the first party games slated for 2018. Microsoft needs greater first party investment in graphics tech to keep in pace with the hardware, and not just at their top earning studios.

Yup. Basically if nothing is pushing the box to it's limits, then what does it really matter if the Xbox One X is the most powerful console? If the best looking console games continue to be Sony first party games like Uncharted 4 and Horizon, then the power differential is meaningless. Considering how good those games look on the base PS4, it's hard to justify a Pro purchase unless you have a 4k tv, much less an Xbox One X with nothing that even remotely pushes the hardware like those games do.

To be clear, I suppose it's possible that some of the third party games supporting Xbone X will push hardware enough to show a significant difference. I just wonder if that will be the case in reality, since they are all going to be geared toward the base PS4 and the base Xbox One.

 

[op_ivy]

The "final sales pitch" is about the only thing I can call out

 

[The Greek Freak]

Talk about Eurogamer biting the hand that feeds them with exclusive breakdowns of the tech.

Couldn't agree more though. Has nothing on offer.

Yup, I sold mine once it was clear MCC would never be fixed. The only time I was even 1% tempted was scalebound which is dead.

Bums me out.

These half assed non new generation consoles were always a crap idea. X and pro both.

That's not what you said at all. You literally asked where the next Halo or Gears killer was.

Why does MS need a Halo or Gears killer? Why is that even smart? "Let's make a new IP to kill an IP we already own and has made over a billion dollars each"

Go post in a Sony thread "Why doesn't Sony make an uncharted/god of war killer?" and see how badly you get laughed at lol, maybe then you'll realise how stupid that statement was


Wow, you are seriously aggressive in almost all these xbox threads seriously.

To be fair 343 studios is the Halo killer

 

[Jaguar Victory]

I didn't care about the DRM thing at all. Also a hardcore fan of Xbox og and 360, owning both day 1. To me they seem to only address the American market which doesn't speak to me.

What do people mean by this? Japanese games = every other non American market?

 

[LegendofLex]

What do people mean by this? Japanese games = every other non American market?

Xbox only sells remotely well in English speaking countries.

 

[Sadist]

What do people mean by this? Japanese games = every other non American market?

The selection of games obviously. If someone argues that for example PlayStation 4 has a more diverse line-up, they wouldn't be lying. Xbox's line-up is bit more... of the same.

 

[Markoman]

At my store, GameCube hut, it was the same story

Lol, I just googled "gamecube hut"

Spoiler

Your store sucks, man, and I bet you're just the janitor there.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

So if Halo 6 and Gears 5 turn out amazing all is forgiven?

I doubt it.

Impossible to say. Halo 5 and Gears 4 were both well received but there is a perception that both franchises are somewhat stale. Gears has always been big, but 3 and judgement didn't seem to be big deals on the same scale as 1 and 2. Halo has been perceived as being in decline since Reach or 4 depending on who you ask, and the franchise has been with us with releases every 2-3 years since 2001. Both commercially successful, but a lot of what people are arguing about are intangibles like how "exciting" a game is. Not really quantifiable.

If we were getting Halo, Gears and Forza in addition to a few new ideas I think that's where you'd see more positivity. 2014-5 were pretty good for XBO, 2017 is a bit dire. Here's to hoping 2018 is a better year.

 

[Papacheeks]

That's not what you said at all. You literally asked where the next Halo or Gears killer was.

Why does MS need a Halo or Gears killer? Why is that even smart? "Let's make a new IP to kill an IP we already own and has made over a billion dollars each"

Go post in a Sony thread "Why doesn't Sony make an uncharted/god of war killer?" and see how badly you get laughed at lol, maybe then you'll realise how stupid that statement was


Wow, you are seriously aggressive in almost all these xbox threads seriously.

Sony did make a Uncharted killer franchise it's called the last of us. And I dare say it Horizon fills in that god of war void. And btw go re-read what I said about investing in a new IP that could lead with a sequel to something that is as successful as the first or second gears game.

No my friend it is you who is in almost every xbox thread defending Xbox;s current position and current output of software, I don't deny they have been killing it on a service and hardware design front for offering a lot of bang for the buck especially with BC.

But majority of people complaining me included just want MS to make something new that really get's the fires going again.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Xbox only sells remotely well in English speaking countries.

I get that, but why?

The selection of games obviously. If someone argues that for example PlayStation 4 has a more diverse line-up, they wouldn't be lying. Xbox's line-up is bit more... of the same.

What categories are they not providing?

 

[The Greek Freak]

Impossible to say. Halo 5 and Gears 4 were both well received but there is a perception that both franchises are somewhat stale. Gears has always been big, but 3 and judgement didn't seem to be big deals on the same scale as 1 and 2. Halo has been perceived as being in decline since Reach or 4 depending on who you ask, and the franchise has been with us with releases every 2-3 years since 2001. Both commercially successful, but a lot of what people are arguing about are intangibles like how "exciting" a game is. Not really quantifiable.

If we were getting Halo, Gears and Forza in addition to a few new ideas I think that's where you'd see more positivity. 2014-5 were pretty good for XBO, 2017 is a bit dire. Here's to hoping 2018 is a better year.

Don't forget the multiplayer snowball effect. In my group of friends who used to play halo, I bailed after MCC wasn't fixed, and the only other one who bought an xbox one sold his after hating halo 5. So our friends who only buy one console each gen? All ps4 owners.

Even if 343 shockingly makes halo 6 amazing none of my friends would be playing it with me so it's too little too late. If the Xbox X One was a brand new generation? They might flip if sat Halo 6 was amazing.

 

[UCBooties]

I dont get it. I play mostly multiplatform games, like most people.

He best place or multiplatform and online is now Xbox X. Its easy choice here people.

Spending $500 on a new machine when you already have one that plays the same games is not an easy choice. Rebuying your library on a new system to take advantage of the upgrade is not an easy choice. Committing to online on a console with a much smaller install base is not an easy choice.

I have no doubt plenty of people will do it, but don't pretend this isn't a hard sell.

 

[Barkley's Justice]

Hey, MS. Let me buy one with just Windows 10 installed, m'k?

 

[greatnorthern]

This is the secret of the sold out X:

Sometimes feels like Microsoft is taking advantage of these guys.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Eurogamer is right though. I just don't know who MS is marketing the XboneX to other than diehard Xbox fans.

It lacks exclusive games to sell the system, and if it's just raw power and multiplats you want PC does the job better. That $500 price tag is definitely not gonna woo the mainstream audience either especially when there's already a $250 that plays the same games.