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[c0de]

Fundamentally people forget PS is a much bigger brand than XB. PS3 coming back from a 1 years worth of sales is the perfect example of this.

Both brands sold almost the same amount last gen. If this would've been such a big factor, the 1 year headstart would've been easily eliminated by PS3 which didn't happen. In the end, it outsold the 360 but it didn't even sell better every year since its release.

There is also the intial terrible showing from MS with their policies that was enough to make mainstream media damage that probably still lives today to a degree with the non avid gamers or "casuals".

There are multiple factors that contributed to PS4's success in the beginning and renewed success in it's 3 year!

Power was a small piece of that puzzle. Price is another as mentioned when combined with being the powerful console at the time.

The thing is: we don't know the importance of factors that make people buy consoles. We can only guess. We have a decent set of factors but their weight is completely unknown in the equation.
I also always consider exclusive marketing as a big deal - many games last gen and this gen are advertised for PS4 only in Germany although an Xbox version exists.

 

[DieH@rd]

There were true 4K editions of Disneyland Adventures, Rush: A Disney Pixar Adventure and Zoo Tycoon, all perfect for the discerning seven-year-old in your household who throws a hissy fit at the mere mention of checkerboarding.

...It was hard to make head or tail of what Microsoft's Gamescom show had set out to achieve. In an hour and a half of reheated E3 trailers and recaps, there was perhaps one announcement of a genuine exclusive for Xbox: a vertical console stand for the day one edition of the Xbox One X, as unpackaged by Major Nelson in an abandoned office on the other side of the world.

 

[Sad Affleck]

The problem, if one can call it that, with the Xbox One X and the PS4 Pro is their very narrow target group. Both machines are of interest to people who 1) have a lot of disposable income, 2) appreciate the difference in graphical quality between a regular console and the enhanced version and 3) don't game on PC.

Now, a more expensive offering for your "whales" isn't a bad idea at all. The difference between Microsoft and Sony is that PS4 is dominating the market. Xbox is suffering this gen and Microsoft seems to be trying to extract more money out of its existing user base instead of expanding said user base.

Xbox One X will win back the performance crown for Microsoft and it will bring in the whales of core gaming. The question is if that is enough to put a dent in Playstation's market or earn Microsoft some favor with the core gaming crowd in anticipation of next gen.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Both brands sold almost the same amount last gen. If this would've been such a big factor, the 1 year headstart would've been easily eliminated by PS3 which didn't happen.

I think that overcoming very bad launch PR, a year head start by a competitor that started very very strongly (software wise the Xbox 360 was not lacking especially in the first 2-3 years... and the Blades GUI + Jeff Minter’s music visualisers were such a unique treat ) and then beating them should be given a tiny bit more credit than this.

In the end, it outsold the 360 but it didn't even sell better every year since its release

Worldwide sales wise too? Perhaps the very first year PS3 was on the market, but after...?

 

[panda-zebra]

High Rez textures building more realistic worlds.

Oh wow that reads like it was lifted directly from PR copy.

 

[DieH@rd]

I mean... Yes, the preorders are doing well it seems across the board, which is good, but it is completely in line with what I expected to see. The people expressing interest and pursuing the product thus far have been 90+% existing owners replacing existing models of their Xbox hardware. In our gaming conference call among the supervisors for the entire district, that is the sentiment expressed as well, as we're seeing a big push on trade in of existing Xbox models to go with that, including customers expressing the desire to get their trades in before potential drop in trade value due to the big push in traded consoles.

Which is exactly as expected. That is their market and audience. It's not catering to a general audience. And most of the customers with PS4s interested in multi-plat games, aren't going to get their entire group to suddenly change platforms even if they might be interested in the XBX.

(shrug)

Thanks for that report. We shall see what will be ratio of customers [upgrades vs brand new users] of XBX after new year. Sony already reported that a healthy chunk of their Pro customers are brand new users.

Overall, it looks like few factors are determining the faster adoption rate of the Pro.

Price - Pro was more reasonably priced at launch with just $100 premium over regular PS4 Slim [which gave customers double HDD size and faster hardware]. Also, $399 really seems to be a "sweet spot" for powerful console hardware.

Sudden post-launch release of several praised exclusives - Even outside of Sony 1st party [which did not release a lot of games since Pro launched], PS4 is a console of choice for Japanese devs who just released several high-profile exclusive releases [NiOh, Nier [+PC], Persona etc], and more are coming.

Larger install base - Gamers usually stay where they friends are, except apparently during generation switches. And since PS4 have a considerable lead, more existing owners are choosing to upgrade.

Promise of future support - Sony is better at promoting upcoming exclusive games, releasing visually pleasing marketing videos of Pro versions of Spiderman, Death Stranding, God of War, TLOU2, Days Gone [and more], plus promise of timed exclusivity of FF7R still means a lot. That's a lot of big profile exclusives!

Bigger 3rd party deals - Somehow Sony really snatched all the biggest 3rd party games, even more than before. MS can't effectively promote XBX to wide masses because they can't associate XBX with titles such as Battlefront 2, COD, Destiny, Red Dead 2, and even FIFA [which was promoted in the past years by MS], which is a group of games that will dominate sales.

4K TV adoption continues to rise.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

I don't really see how "more expensive, newer console outperforms older, less expensive console" is a headline that's gonna turn heads. I think people have the whole DF articles influencing sales angle all wrong. It's not that the PS4 was more powerful that made those threads so highly viewed... It's that the PS4 was cheaper AND more powerful, running games much better than its more expensive competition that released alongside it.

The XB1 dropped to $399 within 6 months of launch with near fire sale prices shortly after. The resolution arguments didn't become old hat until last year. For the 20% of the market that these consoles were made to appease, the headline of the X having a noticeable jump over the Pro and a MASSIVE jump over the XB1 will turn heads.

 

[DJwest]

I'm really tempted to grab an S now. They're dirt cheap and there are quite a few bundles available. I don't intend to invest in a 4K TV anytime soon so the S might be my best option right now.

 

[c0de]

Worldwide sales wise too? Perhaps the very first year PS3 was on the market, but after...?

IIRC there was at least one year where the 360 beat the PS3 again due to the Kinect effect.
Either way, after 10 years on the market, the difference was not that much and outselling in one year also doesn't mean much besides the fact that it one sold better than the other when in the end both were very close in terms of total sales, even with a year of headstart.

 

[leeh]

On message boards but you can bet it was price that matter more to everyone else mostly .
Sometimes people ( not saying you ) think the mass market has the same view or care the same way as internet .
When that is far from the truth .

To be fair, Xbox fans were arguing 720p vs 1080p diminishing returns back then. (Still remember statham, I think, saying how he couldn't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p when it turns out that he had a small 720p TV the entire time.)

When checkerboard 4K vs native 4K is even higher diminishing returns this time around.

Everyone is moving goalposts. People just choose to see what they want to see and remember what they want to remember.

On forums.

The majority of the 60m people who bought PS4's do not all post on forums, nor do they care about power differences. Hence you have not seen a high ratio of PS4 buyers upgrading to the PS4 pro.

All they care about is playing FIFA/COD at a reasonable price on a platform that doesn't scream "MURICA!" in its marketing.

Did people just forget about this?

I've seen it on GAF many times, and yet when suddenly Xbox will wear that crown, people don't know about the difference?

GAF is so etlist, arrogant and self-absorbed. You all think the normal purchasing crowd of gamers don't read gaming websites like reddit, IGN, Gamespot etc and don't watch things on YouTube?

You guys need to get off your high-horses, especially when MS are screaming "most powerful console" more times than Teresa May has said "strong and stable" in the past year.

 

[samar11]

Where can you watch their conference?

 

[massoluk]

Did people just forget about this?



I've seen it on GAF many times, and yet when suddenly Xbox will wear that crown, people don't know about the difference?

GAF is so etlist, arrogant and self-absorbed. You all think the normal purchasing crowd of gamers don't read gaming websites like reddit, IGN, Gamespot etc and don't watch things on YouTube?

You guys need to get off your high-horses, especially when MS are screaming "most powerful console" more times than Teresa May has said "strong and stable" in the past year.

A PlayStation 4 sku will still have the highest resolution, Blu-ray player, and Game Library, what am I missing here
Edit: I confessed I have no idea what the argument is about in this thread. This is going round and round and it's ruining my reading comprehension

 

[leeh]

A PlayStation 4 sku will still have the highest resolution, Blu-ray player, and Game Library, what am I missing here

The title you plonker.

 

[DJwest]

GAF is so etlist, arrogant and self-absorbed. You all think the normal purchasing crowd of gamers don't read gaming websites like reddit, IGN, Gamespot etc and don't watch things on YouTube?

You guys need to get off your high-horses, especially when MS are screaming "most powerful console" more times than Teresa May has said "strong and stable" in the past year.

You need to chill bro, I mean, don't get so worked up over this bullshit console war.

 

[Sephiroth_VII]

Only when they can't sort the logic into neat and tidy folders which add up to their point of view or something they think makes sense.

I own a solid enough gaming PC, PS4 Pro, Xbox One(OG no kinect). There are few reasons most would agree with proving a need for me to buy an XBOX One X. There is only one argument I care about when it comes to me getting one. I want one. End of list.

Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue

 

[Toki767]

Did people just forget about this?



I've seen it on GAF many times, and yet when suddenly Xbox will wear that crown, people don't know about the difference?

GAF is so etlist, arrogant and self-absorbed. You all think the normal purchasing crowd of gamers don't read gaming websites like reddit, IGN, Gamespot etc and don't watch things on YouTube?

You guys need to get off your high-horses, especially when MS are screaming "most powerful console" more times than Teresa May has said "strong and stable" in the past year.

I never said people don't know the difference in power.

Only that the difference for a person looking at 720p vs 1080p on the Xbox One vs PS4 is not nearly as pronounced as the difference for a person looking at checkerboard 4K vs native 4K on the PS4 Pro vs Xbox One X.

Again, you're seeing what you want to see.

 

[leeh]

You need to chill bro, I mean, don't get so worked up over this bullshit console war.

I'm fine pal. Console wars don't phase me, it's the hypocrisy of this forum what does.

I never said people don't know the difference in power.

Only that the difference for a person looking at 720p vs 1080p on the Xbox One vs PS4 is not nearly as pronounced as the difference for a person looking at checkerboard 4K vs native 4K on the PS4 Pro vs Xbox One X.

Again, you're seeing what you want to see.

It's not perceived difference, but more the consumer knowing they're getting a console which is the most powerful console and will produce visuals better than every other piece of plastic.

I'm seeing a Nielsen survey which proves my very point, so no, you're seeing what you want to see thankyou very much.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I've seen it on GAF many times, and yet when suddenly Xbox will wear that crown, people don't know about the difference?

GAF is so etlist, arrogant and self-absorbed. You all think the normal purchasing crowd of gamers don't read gaming websites like reddit, IGN, Gamespot etc and don't watch things on YouTube?

You guys need to get off your high-horses, especially when MS are screaming "most powerful console" more times than Teresa May has said "Strong and stable" in the past year.

Nobody never said they don't it's just certain things don't have a big effect like how some people seem to think on the mass market .
If we talking about WW that is whole other factor to add in also .
For eg for all the fuss people made about XB1S on game sites and forums having a UHD player .
That has gotten MS no where and they still down YoY in there strongest market .

 

[Toki767]

I'm fine pal. Console wars don't phase me, it's the hypocrisy of this forum what does.


It's not perceived difference, but more the consumer knowing they're getting a console which is the most powerful console and will produce visuals better than every other piece of plastic.

I'm seeing a Nielsen survey which proves my very point, so no, you're seeing what you want to see thankyou very much.

How old is that Nielson survey?

Also on the Xbox side Exclusive Games are a main reason.

Which in hindsight is hilarious.

 

[jiiikoo]

A boon for the fans, with a little exclusive vertical stand thrown in to boot. Given the hits the brand has taken over the past few years, staying upright might be all that can be asked for right now.

Lol.

 

[MilkyJoe]

GAF is so etlist, arrogant and self-absorbed. You all think the normal purchasing crowd of gamers don't read gaming websites like reddit, IGN, Gamespot etc and don't watch things on YouTube?

I remember the Atari ST vs Amiga wars. Everyone knew, way before the internet was invented. People know now, just like they know multiplats are multiplats despite the logo that pops up at the end of the trailer.

 

[Cobalt03]

I really hope it's a success, not because I want one, but because without genuine competition Sony will slack which is bad for everyone.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

How old is that Nielson survey?

Also on the Xbox side Exclusive Games are a main reason.

Which in hindsight is hilarious.

It was done before and after xmas 2014.
The sample size was 4000 teens and adults were polled over two phases, before and after Christmas, as well as 400 children.

 

[Toki767]

It was done before and after xmas 2014.
The sample size was 4000 teens and adults were polled over two phases, before and after Christmas, as well as 400 children.

So basically, context matters, and he's still just seeing what he wants to see.

 

[leeh]

How old is that Nielson survey?

Also on the Xbox side Exclusive Games are a main reason.

Which in hindsight is hilarious.

It's from 2015 and we're talking about the buying reasons for PS4/X1.

So basically, context matters, and he's still just seeing what he wants to see.

Lol what. You keep up the denial pal.

 

[Toki767]

It's from 2015 and we're talking about the buying reasons for PS4/X1.

Yes, but the reasons people bought a PS4/Xbox One are not the same reasons people are buying a PS4 Pro/Xbox One X.

 

[Kayant]

Both brands sold almost the same amount last gen. If this would've been such a big factor, the 1 year headstart would've been easily eliminated by PS3 which didn't happen. In the end, it outsold the 360 but it didn't even sell better every year since its release.

Sure but that doesn't negate the fact it was able to do so. Look at the difference between the two this gen starting around the same time. Imagine XB1 launching a year later than it did. I would bet it wouldn't have sold as much as it has now yet alone catching up to where PS4 would have been at one year in.

The thing is: we don't know the importance of factors that make people buy consoles. We can only guess. We have a decent set of factors but their weight is completely unknown in the equation.
I also always consider exclusive marketing as a big deal - many games last gen and this gen are advertised for PS4 only in Germany although an Xbox version exists.

You're right no one can truly say because the factors change by country right down to individuals but it is clear from multiple generations that PS is an overall bigger brand and that is ultimately the factor that has pushed it so far especially in a field with such a similar competitor.

IIRC there was at least one year where the 360 beat the PS3 again due to the Kinect effect.
Either way, after 10 years on the market, the difference was not that much and outselling in one year also doesn't mean much besides the fact that it one sold better than the other when in the end both were very close in terms of total sales, even with a year of headstart.

I don't have numbers but am pretty sure it was more than a year because it will take multiple with big leads to recover from first year sales.

Did people just forget about this?



I've seen it on GAF many times, and yet when suddenly Xbox will wear that crown, people don't know about the difference?

GAF is so etlist, arrogant and self-absorbed. You all think the normal purchasing crowd of gamers don't read gaming websites like reddit, IGN, Gamespot etc and don't watch things on YouTube?

You guys need to get off your high-horses, especially when MS are screaming "most powerful console" more times than Teresa May has said "strong and stable" in the past year.

The vast majority don't. For example just look at views gaming videos/streams etc get now compare it the DAU/MAU/Sales(Shitty metric but point being the active playerbase is smaller compared)

Also iirc i might have been Abdiel or an article can't remember now i think it was in 2016 how people are still misinformed about XB1's DRM.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

It's from 2015 and we're talking about the buying reasons for PS4/X1.

Mind you that nov \dec was the year MS slash there price plus bundles and out sold Sony after months in USA.
Which also goes to show that price is king around that time at least in the USA.

 

[leeh]

Yes, but the reasons people bought a PS4/Xbox One are not the same reasons people are buying a PS4 Pro/Xbox One X.

1) Better Resolution

Sorry, I'm not following?

 

[c0de]

Sure but that doesn't negate the fact it was able to do so. Look at the difference between the two this gen starting around the same time. Imagine XB1 launching a year later than it did. I would bet it wouldn't have sold as much as it has now yet alone catching up to where PS4 would have been at one year in.

We can only ever see the results and then try to infer why something happened, we never truly know.

You're right no one can truly say because the factors change by country right down to individuals but it is clear from multiple generations that PS is an overall bigger brand and that is ultimately the factor that has pushed it so far especially in a field with such a similar competitor.

Sure, the brand is bigger and wider known. But this doesn't mean others can sell in the same order of magnitude.

I don't have numbers but am pretty sure it was more than a year because it will take multiple with big leads to recover from first year sales.

I was saying that after PS3 launched, many say it sold more every year and IIRC it did not in every year because there was at least one year where 360 got a huge boost due to Kinect (which led MS to believe it would be wise to include it with Xbox One).

 

[Toki767]

1) Better Resolution

Sorry, I'm not following?

Maybe I should've re-worded it.

People will buy the Xbox One X for better performance.

They question is how many people in general care about the better performance.

You seem to think it's the majority of the market. I think it's not.

All we can really do is wait and see what happens at the end of the year.

 

[Sarobi]

Also iirc i might have been Abdiel or an article can't remember now i think it was in 2016 how people are still misinformed about XB1's DRM.

This. I actually had a conversation with a friend of mine who really isn't into video games, and asked if the "always online and always spying camera stuff" was still there. He was surprised when I told him that was never the case for the system.

Tons of people shrug off the idea of the Xbox One because they think it still has that stuff. These people obviously aren't keeping up with news if they don't know that the system isn't out to spy on them and out them to the government.

 

[Rymuth]

1) Better Resolution

Sorry, I'm not following?

Keep going. Take it all the way up to 9.

 

[notaskwid]

1) Better Resolution

Sorry, I'm not following?

Maybe the question should be why did you bought a PS4 at this time instead of the heavily discounted Xbox one.

 

[Toki767]

Maybe the question should be why did you bought a PS4 at this time instead of the heavily discounted Xbox one.

As was previously pointed out, the survey was taken during the time period where the Xbox One was like $300 compared to the PS4 being at $400 and in the US, the Xbox One outsold the PS4 by a large margin in that November and December period.

So basically.

The reason people say they bought a PS4 was because of better resolution. But more people bought an Xbox anyway.

When you put two and two together, you would think that means that better resolution doesn't play as important a part in getting people to buy your console as other factors. Price being the main factor.

But again, context is everything.

 

[GoneRestorff]

Xbox Wii U.
The only concept is "more power" and they haven't really shown me the meaning of that added power

I was hoping for something exciting. As a consumer "well, that's nice" doesn't really cut it.

I'm fine with my switch, ps4 and mac. Might jump on the pc train in a year or two.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Halo 5 and Gears 4 were bad games. They got good/great reviews and I think are like 84% on Metacritic or something.

But they weren't considered "obvious GOTY nominee" titles like Uncharted 4 (93%) and Breath of the Wild (97%) are. Both of those franchises used to fall into that category but didn't with their newest installments.

...
It's weird, I don't think Microsoft has that one franchise anymore that falls into that category. Not at the moment.

More worrysome is that hey have absolutely nothing in their pipeline which qualifies for that category.

I never understand why people still discuss exclusives when talking about Xbox. Every game is also available on PC at the very least, even if its from the Windows Store. Just because a game isn't on the PS4, doesn't magically make the Xbox one up the market. The market includes the PC as well.

People also don't buy consoles en masse for exclusives either nowadays. The best selling exclusives will still be overshadowed by the biggest multiplatform games of the year. Time and time again Microsoft have stated that their vision is games as a service, haven't announced any new "exclusives" or focused on single player games, and people just need to admit and move on that Xbox isn't the brand they should keep obsessing over for exclusives.

Uncharted, Horizon, Breath of The Wild and Mario Odyssey will all still be overshadowed by Destiny 2, Battlefront 2 and COD WW2 at the end of the day sales wise and no review score, GOTY awards or fanboy drivel will change that.

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You're right. But you're also completely missing the point. Maybe yes, people buy consoles because they want to play the latest FIFA, GTA or CoD and so on, but they have two platforms which they can choose from in order to do so. Both offer those multiplatform games, and both cost basically the same, at least the entry level SKUs.

So, people start to check what else they get. This is where the exclusives kick in. They maybe severly outsold by the IPs I mentioned above, but they are crucial during the decision process nevertheless. The latest sales developments should be evidence enough for that hypothesis.

This has nothing to do with "fanboy drivel", despite my favorite Avatar, it just illustrates why exclusive games will always be a major success factor for any given platform.

What if I told you I actually chose Xbox one over PS4 because I find Xbox live better, it has a better controller and more apps? And a few years later they sealed the deal by adding integration with windows 10, added ea access and game pass (I love EA access, never buying an EA game ever again with this thing), gave me a 4k blu-ray player, and even early access on games!

No need to talk about exclusives when picking a console over another, plenty of other things to consider!
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Of course there are, lots and lots of them. Some people even decide based on the color. But sales of both XBOX and PlayStation show a clear picture of what actually matters, of what people expect, and what they deem "nice to have".

 

[leeh]

Maybe I should've re-worded it.

People will buy the Xbox One X for better performance.

They question is how many people in general care about the better performance.

You seem to think it's the majority of the market. I think it's not.

All we can really do is wait and see what happens at the end of the year.

That's not what I'm commenting about. The reasons for the mass-market changes on here every month depending on the status of the market.

Now Xbox has the power crown, suddenly the appeal of having definitive multi-platforms doesn't matter and it's all about exclusives.

 

[Sad Affleck]

It's from 2015 and we're talking about the buying reasons for PS4/X1.

I don't disagree with your point but we're now at the tail end of 2017 and many things have changed. PS4 is entrenched, it has a Pro model that offers more horsepower, it has a fleshed out library of quality exclusives and the mindshare of the console that has won the generation. So it all comes down to what the goal is with the release of the Xbox One X. If the goal is to regain the performance crown and set things up for next gen by winning back the core gamer whale market then I believe it will achieve all those goals. If the goal is to win back marketshare from Sony then I don't think that X1X is going to move the needle in any significant way.

 

[Fredrik]

Lots of people here will buy an X to have the best version of multiplats, just like we did with PS4 at the start of the generation, but the mainstream won't care. That's just how it is. Nothing will change the outcome that PS4/Pro will win this generation, it's way too late, everybody here should know this by now.
Exclusives are nice to have but 10 new exclusives for XB1/X wouldn't have changed the outcome. So just be glad that MS puts up a fight and keeps Sony at the edge of their seat so they try a bit harder. Hopefully this battle will result in better games, services and features to all of us. I've done my part, Xbox One X is preordered.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Tbh theyre right... As much I really liked my XB1 I recently sold it and I dont feel like Ill miss much since I own a PC and PS4.

But I also feel like MS intention is just to sell a console for those who dont care for PS4 and dont own a strong PC.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I don't disagree with your point but we're now at the tail end of 2017 and many things have changed. PS4 is entrenched, it has a Pro model that offers more horsepower, it has a fleshed out library of quality exclusives and the mindshare of the console that has won the generation. So it all comes down to what the goal is with the release of the Xbox One X. If the goal is to regain the performance crown and set things up for next gen by winning back the core gamer whale market then I believe it will achieve all those goals. If the goal is win back marketshare from Sony then I don't think that X1X is going to move the needle in any significant way.

The thing is winning back the core gamer whale market is all good but there also other factors in play .
Like for eg breaking it down by region and country .
I expect the XB1X to do that is USA to some degree but it going to be much harder in UK for eg because of it's price .
In other parts of the world well that is a lost cause even if they want to set up next gen .

 

[dealer-]

That's not what I'm commenting about. The reasons for the mass-market changes on here every month depending on the status of the market.

Now Xbox has the power crown, suddenly the appeal of having definitive multi-platforms doesn't matter and it's all about exclusives.

Having definitive multi-platforms matters more at the start of the gen when people are buying into these brands/machines for the first time. Now people are already invested into ecosystems on either side it's not really going to make a huge difference when the games are exactly the same.

 

[Toki767]

That's not what I'm commenting about. The reasons for the mass-market changes on here every month depending on the status of the market.

Now Xbox has the power crown, suddenly the appeal of having definitive multi-platforms doesn't matter and it's all about exclusives.

2-3 years is a long time for people to change their minds on what is important to them.

I definitely think having the better version of multi-platform games will sway some people.

I just don't think at this point of the generation, that it will sway enough people to ultimately matter in the end compared to having a ton of exclusives (and in the bigger picture, compared to just having a strong brand which Xbox currently lacks).

 

[Rathorial]

I'd agree.

Most powerful console will move a few units like the PS4 did, but utilizing that power on some compelling 1st part games the other consoles don't have is a bigger deal.

Unfortunately this gen we've seen less exclusives on every console, but Sony definitely has more variety, and Nintendo will only increase theirs with time on the Switch.

Big thing for me is both Nintendo and Sony don't just have sequels to known franchises. PS4 has Horizon and Nioh, Switch has Arms and really Splatoon since that's a this gen WiiU carryover. Microsoft has no big AAA new IP, and the base Xbone is still weaker vs. the base PS4.

 

[leeh]

I don't disagree with your point but we're now at the tail end of 2017 and many things have changed. PS4 is entrenched, it has a Pro model that offers more horsepower, it has a fleshed out library of quality exclusives and the mindshare of the console that has won the generation. So it all comes down to what the goal is with the release of the Xbox One X. If the goal is to regain the performance crown and set things up for next gen by winning back the core gamer whale market then I believe it will achieve all those goals. If the goal is to win back marketshare from Sony then I don't think that X1X is going to move the needle in any significant way.

I'm not trying to use the survey I posted as evidence that the 1X will claw its way to a victory for Xbox. I think it'll do just fine and be a nice addition to the ecosystem but not break any records.

2-3 years is a long time for people to change their minds on what is important to them.

I definitely think having the better version of multi-platform games will sway some people.

I just don't think at this point of the generation, that it will sway enough people to ultimately matter in the end compared to having a ton of exclusives (and in the bigger picture, compared to just having a strong brand which Xbox currently lacks).

What I'm trying to show is that there is a lot of hypocrisy on here and a over-whelming amount of people who just shit in Xbox threads when they have no desire to buy one or never will. They'll come in just to try and cause a ruckus and spin everything into a negative.

This pisses me off on this place. It's actually very difficult to have a clean thread on Xbox where you can have good discussion.

 

[AntiFacebook]

So given your definition, Microsoft will never ever have an exclusive?

Pretty much

 

[Doc_Drop]

Personally, given enough reasons I would happily buy an Xbox and I want them to do well (like practically everyone here).

Doesn't mean we can't level fair criticism at the division and the decisions being made.

Just don't get offended when people do so

 

[Toki767]

What I'm trying to show is that there is a lot of hypocrisy on here and a over-whelming amount of people who just shit in Xbox threads when they have no desire to buy one or never will. They'll come in just to try and cause a ruckus and spin everything into a negative.

This pisses me off on this place. It's actually very difficult to have a clean thread on Xbox where you can have good discussion.

To be fair, that happens everywhere. There is an ignore feature on the site. I suggest you use it if you don't like what you're reading or think that you can't have a discussion with someone.

Out of sight, out of mind.

The thing is is that just because someone says something remotely negative, doesn't mean their criticism is suddenly invalid.

Good discussion often involves debating subjects without taking things personally. Otherwise every thread would be a wankfest and a corporation's dream.

 

[Fredrik]

I'm not trying to use the survey I posted as evidence that the 1X will claw its way to a victory for Xbox. I think it'll do just fine and be a nice addition to the ecosystem but not break any records.


What I'm trying to show is that there is a lot of hypocrisy on here and a over-whelming amount of people who just shit in Xbox threads when they have no desire to buy one or never will. They'll come in just to try and cause a ruckus and spin everything into a negative.

This pisses me off on this place. It's actually very difficult to have a clean thread on Xbox where you can have good discussion.

This thread was already spun into negativity by Eurogamer. Start a positive thread instead and people with some positivity left inside might jump in and share their positive opinions too. Talk about Ori, Forza Horizon 3, the new UI, Play Anywhere, XBX size, PUBG, Cuphead etc and it'll take some real wizardry to twist things into negativity.