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Trump Flipped on Afghanistan Strategy after seeing Afghan Women in Miniskirts

Jumeira

Banned
lol anyone who thinks Mini skirts will become the norm again in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and middle eastern countries is out of their minds. the 70s and 80s were a different time.

Pah, if you think black people will ever ride at the front of the bus your out of your god damn mind! You have no idea about the future. With economic prosperity comes greater human rights, and a chance for enlightenment, such a narrow minded post.

If he really wants to stop Afghanistan being regressive /appressive he should bomb Saudi Arabia.

Jesus christ, that would be world war, or are you trying to role play stupid Trump?
 
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effzee

Member
Man think about all those women who can be liberated and show their skin finally! Western values to the rescue!
 

Keri

Member
It's quite reassuring to know that the foreign policy of the most powerful nation on earth is decided by whether women can wear miniskirts or not :/

This is kind of gross, OP. It's not like Afghanistan is otherwise great for women, they just simply can't wear miniskirts. To reduce the issue to the above, is insulting to women's rights.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
This is kind of gross, OP. It's not like Afghanistan is otherwise great for women, they just simply can't wear miniskirts. To reduce the issue to the above, is insulting to women's rights.

Quite the strawman you've got going there. I never said Afghanistan is great for women in any way, nor did I ever state my opinion on the decision that was taken, but dictating foreign policy based on factors like this is irresponsible, especially when people's lives are at stake.
 
Again using that piece of soviet propaganda. Those young women were forced to adopt western dresses to be able to get a public job. Most afghans women in the same time period were wearing what they wear right now, anything from very light hijab in the urban area to burqa in rural area. The exception is the taliban rule.

The same thing goes with Iran. Those "before/after" don't take into account the global sociology of the country and the political context.

Trump is basically your regular uncle sharing nonsense on facebook, but at the head of a world power.
 

Keri

Member
Quite the strawman you've got going there. I never said Afghanistan is great for women in any way, nor did I ever state my opinion on the decision that was taken, but dictating foreign policy based on factors like this is irresponsible, especially when people's lives are at stake.

I understand hating Trump and wanting to criticize him, but when you suggest he only took action because he wants to see women's legs, you're ignoring the obvious symbolism in the picture he viewed. It seems obvious the picture of women wearing miniskirts is symbolic of the loss of rights women in Afghanistan have suffered in recent years. I hate him as much as the next person, but when you suggest this is just about mini skirts, you're suggesting the picture has no other obvious meaning.
 

Keasar

Member
So we can convince him that Global Warming is gonna fuck up the weather by pointing out no more days where women can safely wear a bikini and he will fucking fund everything to combat it?

Seriously though, is the US. President really this easily manipulated?
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
I understand hating Trump and wanting to criticize him, but when you suggest he only took action because he wants to see women's legs, you're ignoring the obvious symbolism in the picture he viewed. It seems obvious the picture of women wearing miniskirts is symbolic of the loss of rights women in Afghanistan have suffered in recent years. I hate him as much as the next person, but when you suggest this is just about mini skirts, you're suggesting the picture has no other obvious meaning.

I'm not suggesting anything. I posted what has been reported in multiple media outlets. If anything, my sentiments are closest to the tweet I posted in the OP. Again, where did I ever say that women in Afghanistan have it good? Hell, where did I ever state any opinion on the matter? Even my sarcastic comment did not contain any hint of an opinion on any of this.

You're putting words in my mouth and starting an argument where there is none.
 

Keri

Member
I'm not suggesting anything. I posted what has been reported in multiple media outlets. If anything, my sentiments are closest to the tweet I posted in the OP. Again, where did I ever say that women in Afghanistan have it good? Hell, where did I ever state any opinion on the matter? Even my sarcastic comment did not contain any hint of an opinion on any of this.

You're putting words in my mouth and starting an argument where there is none.

OK, you're right that you're just re-stating what the media is reporting. So, I'll rephrase and say the way the media is reporting on this, is pretty gross and it discounts the obvious human rights implications from the picture, in an effort to paint Trump as more unreasonable. If the decision was just based on mini skirts it would be ridiculous, but since the photograph communicates an obvious and huge loss of rights for women in Afghanistan (that goes above and beyond just wearing miniskirts) the proposed reasoning for this decision is unlikely (even for Trump).

Again, I hate him as much as the next person, but in discounting that this decision could be based on human rights, the media is completely discounting the obvious symbolism of the picture. Lets not accidentally reduce the issue of women's rights in Afghanistan to: "They can't show off their legs." And let's not put that idea out there, unless Trump actually says it, when there's a clear and obvious other meaning for this picture.
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
So we can convince him that Global Warming is gonna fuck up the weather by pointing out no more days where women can safely wear a bikini and he will fucking fund everything to combat it?

Seriously though, is the US. President really this easily manipulated?

Isn't it opposite? We want global warming so we get more of those days?
 

nampad

Member
Real story: the POTUS did not know that Afghanistan, a country the US has been in conflict with for over a decade, used to be more open to western values in the 80s.
 
It's tragic how many people (not just Trump) who really understand what Afghanistan has been through.

In the last hundred years it has to be near the top of conflict states. What is the death talley if you combined all the wars in the last hundred years? This place cannot be tamed, and certainly not by western or russian powers.
 

Morat

Banned
Real story: the POTUS did not know that Afghanistan, a country the US has been in conflict with for over a decade, used to be more open to western values in the 80s.

Yup. I honestly didn't think the US could elect a president more ignorant than Bush jr,but here we are.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Ironic, considering how foreign meddling is one of the big factors that led to Afghanistan not looking like that anymore.
 
Those pictures are actually very sad.

Yes, it's sad to have to change your way of dressing in order to get a public office under a dictatorship, so that dictatorship can parade you as the proof it's bringing "progress" to the country.

I'm all for women progress and freedom, but forcing one way of dressing over the other, is not empowering.
 
It's tragic how many people (not just Trump) who really understand what Afghanistan has been through.

In the last hundred years it has to be near the top of conflict states. What is the death talley if you combined all the wars in the last hundred years? This place cannot be tamed, and certainly not by western or russian powers.

Hundred years? This goes back to Alexander the Great. They broke the Mongols and gave the Mughal tribal headaches long before the British staked their precarious claim. Trump and US military might bring nothing new to the table of history.

They don't call it 'the graveyard of empires' for nothing.
 

Damerman

Member
lol anyone who thinks Mini skirts will become the norm again in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and middle eastern countries is out of their minds. the 70s and 80s were a different time.
Either way those images are not at all representative of how it was accross the country. A very marginal group dressed like this.
 

Sami+

Member
lol anyone who thinks Mini skirts will become the norm again in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and middle eastern countries is out of their minds. the 70s and 80s were a different time.

Uh huh. Why is that again?

I'm Syrian btw so I'm all ears.
 

norinrad

Member
This one is beyond Trump. Weapons need to be sold and the military industrial complex needs war to stay afloat.

Though Trump was easily played here as usual.
 

Bastables

Member
I'm guessing no one gave him the context the US funded the religious extremists to fight these dirty mini skirt wearing commies?
 
Not before the Taliban. Before the Soviets came in. They were not a religious society before European invasion. Its a common theme.

Not surprised Trump would use evidence that invading countries doesn't work to invade a country.

The highly racist, trigger happy posture of the American forces always made any efforts of building good relations a joke. The idea you can win the hearts of people you are there to murder is insane.
 
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