Maybe the misleading comparison shot in the OP has something to do with that.
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DigitalFoundry: RotTR Xbox One X vs PS4 Pro First Look Graphics Comaprison
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Maybe the misleading comparison shot in the OP has something to do with that.
Yearsoflurking
Member
No just a lot of damage control for no reason.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
And while the differences are hard to spot in motion on my Oneplus 3 phone, I'd be surprised if I didn't see it on my 65B6 TV. Come to think of it, so far I've only checked this thread and images and video on my phone, lol.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
In the end, people just play the game and don't give a shit about some stupid dirt on her face.
I mean, do PS users even care atm about an "old" game? They have better games to wait for then go back and look at Lara again. Maybe Microsoft needs to re-introduce this game again for Xbox One X. They don't have anything new to show eventually...
I mean, do PS users even care atm about an "old" game? They have better games to wait for then go back and look at Lara again. Maybe Microsoft needs to re-introduce this game again for Xbox One X. They don't have anything new to show eventually...
Worse how? someone got to the bottom of the blood & dirt difference in the OP shots. what's the problem?
now the only mystery is the missing DoF but that's probably just turned off for now.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Or maybe some people are pointing out a few things that could use some work. I'll never understand these "just accept it" posts. This is a technical thread. I don't see the harm in being, well, technical.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
In the end, the majority of people wouldn't be able to really see the differences in the wild but the lengths many are going through to try and downplay or hand wave the differences that do exist are kind of sad.
I've done a little tech analysis of my own and gotten to the bottom of this. DF has a flaw in their comparison tool
The image that is used in the comparison (which everyone has saved)
is this image
http://images.eurogamer.net/2017/articles/2017-08-26-13-44/PRO_000.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
Which itself is a 90% quality JPEG of this image
http://images.eurogamer.net/2017/articles/2017-08-26-13-44/PRO_000.jpg
Which is a 90% quality JPEG of this image
http://images.eurogamer.net/2017/articles/2017-08-26-13-44/PRO_000.jpg/EG11/quality/100/format/bmp
This image contains much more detail, you can see the film grain present here, which is invisible in the jpegs.
Here you can see the image that everyone has used ,the less compressed version in the middle and the original file.
It seems to be a byproduct of the way the CMS system works.
These are all of the PS4 Pro image.
Also what is not helping is that vs your own screenshots, there is motion in the cutscenes which is causing checkerboarding artifacts (blurring) across the image.
You can see this in her hair in the original file.
I would guess that the camera is not moving in your own image, so the checkerboarding is not present and is essentially identical to native 4k.
Crayon
Member
Nah, the jacket and scarf textures look the same in the X1X and PC screens. The only difference is that, like with her face, her clothing has got a stronger dirt texture on-top of it on X1X and the PC version will have that, as well, if you get mud and dirt on her.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Technical... X is better. Easy
Than a PC? No. Since, you know, that's also part of the discussion. Try adding something meaningful.
Uno Venova
Banned
I don't get it either, analyzing results is pretty common in these threads. Doesn't make sense to get upset about it now.
I don't think anyone was intentionally lying, but it seems Digital Foundry mistook dynamic dirt as exclusive high res textures.
Of course not PC, at least not all PC. Everyone knows that.
Am referring to other consoles , Pro. Is that meaningful enough for you?
Crayon
Member
Well shit. Now I'm not so sure.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Even on Pro its a lot better, and the OG PS4(the last capture) has better IQ too
all this is making me want to replay it lolPS4Pro
ORIGINAL PS4
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Thankfully, we have DF who will do these comparisons, rather than running around like a headless chicken screaming "blank console is better".
The point is people aren't just trying to downplay what the X is capable of (no one in here has denied which is more powerful). But if there are inconsistencies, there's nothing wrong with pointing them out.
Interesting. Makes one wonder, then, what was happening above. Not trying to accuse DF of anything, just for clarity's sake.
Yeah I don't understand why people are defending the comparisons that badly, if the system is flawed, the system is flawed.
DF is great but that doesn't mean that they can't make mistakes.
And if people here like EvB can show DF what they're doing wrong, then that's good! We're about to get a whole bunch of comparisons when the X1X comes out, so the foundation of the comparison system should be 100% accurate.
I know that the Xbox and its fans on GAF have been taking heat all generation, but that doesn't mean that you should cover your eyes and shout "NO NO! IT'S NOT TRUE, XBOX #1 FOREVER"
It's a powerful system, but let it shine on an accurate representation, and don't take everything at face value.
The post above explains it they used a image that was compressed a few times
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Yup, so all the "but X is better" was pointless. Glad we agree.
Precisely.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
yeah no one is saying the X1X isnt better, its native 4k and has had some improvements, its what its being compared too just doesn't look like that.
still be the same result, X1X is better.
You misunderstood.
X is better. I don't need DF to tell me that.
I pointed out DF for your benefit. Technically.
Yes and for clarity, all of the images had had the same 2 levels of compression, but it may be that checkboarded frames play worse with image compression.
If we want a better example of the texture differences between the 3 versions in their current states
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
As the coherence continues to fade, let's just agree to disagree.
thelastword
Banned
I still think the softness of the PRO version is a bit odd even with CB vs Native. I guess the DOF and the FXAA adds to it..Having looked at this, THE XB version's AA method is not as good as the PRO's, so that may add to it's sharpness as well..
Eh, there it is...DOF AND FXAA off, everything looks mighty sharp to me...I guess we can compare that zoomed out to the XBONEX version now...took a shot with DoF and FXAA off, not same cloth, sadly (little cuts on sides to be less than 10MB):
i think it is just the zoom that made things look blurry. not sure if really missing textures or dynamic.
Hey, even 1080p shots looks so sharp and of course the 4kCB screen TGO posted looks razor sharp including very clear background textures, so something is definitely up here.Going back through my old, 1080p PC screenshots, I agree that this comparison needs a little work. At no point was the game ever really that blurry (with or without DoF):
Lots was pitched in the improvements trailer, but we've got to prove them properly. Look at the textures on the PC version rodrigoilfp posted, does the textures on the XB look better than that...? seeing that DOF and FXAA is off?
I have no problems with someone highlighting differences or upgrades on the XB version, but it has to be done properly with like for like pics...It's very possible that all the features they spoke of in the trailer is not in yet, or it could be very minimal at best, but this is what this thread is here for, we don't take the devs word for it, we try to prove/show the improvements or the disparity against unpatched or other platforms...in a fair and precise manner..
Crayon
Member
As has been pointed out several times to you,nearly everyone agrees that the x1x is a better specced console and expect it to have better graphics. There was a guy from yesterday doing the controller/friends/ecosystem routine but he got banned. You probably missed him. Just sit tight and maybe another will come along.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Yup. They pointed out the cause above, but this is why people stuck by it. Something just seemed.....off.
Crayon
Member
While it's not apples to apples, I *think* the general quality of the jacket textures in the x1x shots exceeds the general quality of the dark sweater in his pics. But of course with all these unknowns, I can't be sure.
Crayon
Member
Reaching right for that umadbro. Good reflexes.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Some good hawk-eyes here have said no!
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Basically it's better to just wait for the final DF video where they can show the game themselves on both X and Pro. I wouldn't be surprised if the differences turn out to be similar to what we're having here. Hard to notice on a small phone screen but definitely easier to notice on a bigger screen. Nothing groundbreaking though.
But we will see. I would hope that a system with that much more power would bring significant improvements, but of course that's all on the developer.
But we will see. I would hope that a system with that much more power would bring significant improvements, but of course that's all on the developer.
justsomeguy
Member
I kinda think they should make a children's TV show together, Crayon Detective.
Crayon
Member
Yes and for clarity, all of the images had had the same 2 levels of compression, but it may be that checkboarded frames play worse with image compression.
If we want a better example of the texture differences between the 3 versions in their current states
Here I see same texture on x1x and pc, but much smaller/worse one on pro. So... I don't know. Seems to conflict with the idea that the x1x has a better sampled texture than the pc one, among other things.
That's a good catch, though. Interesting detail.
The textures aren't different on her face. It's just that she is in a different state of bloodiness.
I've also discovered that DF's comparison tool actually doesn't show the raw image, but a compressed jpg of a compressed jpg and the PS4 screenshots seem to suffer more.
I've been looking very closely and it appears there is some difference in the leather.
I wonder if this is a change to a shader rather than a texture?
The textures aren't different on her face. It's just that she is in a different state of bloodiness.
I've also discovered that DF's comparison tool actually doesn't show the raw image, but a compressed jpg of a compressed jpg and the PS4 screenshots seem to suffer more.
I've been looking very closely and it appears there is some difference in the leather.
I wonder if this is a change to a shader rather than a texture?
You can see it's not just leather. Her white scarf is clearly more detiailed than pro on the Xbox One X
BatSu
Member
Colbert
Banned
I add this to the OP right at the beginning!
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Hey let the amateurs do their work lol
timmyp53
Member
Clearly...
thelastword
Banned
I really don't get it as well, people would rather have fake victories and bellow exaggerated responses like "the Xb version is a gen ahead of the Pro"..instead of getting to the bottom of what looked like an unfair comparison to begin with...This is not a war guys, it's just a comparison between platforms. XBONEX is strong enough to win against PRO due to it's 40% uptick in GPU power, certainly not through comparisons like this..
Again, this just boils down to tradeoffs, native 4k plus some improvements here and there will have some tradeoffs, perhaps AA, Effects or even framerate in some instances, the latter which we can't gauge yet of course, but in the absence of final code where we are not sure as to where the final game ends in terms of all these variables, we must make a comparison missing effects et al on XB as 1:1 as possible over the other versions for an accurate assessment.
Ahh, ok, some interesting posts. I don't normally look at the screens at DF these days or read the article, I mostly just look at the videos and go with what I'm seeing....Usually I play them at 4k if that's available for the best ( youtube IQ..sigh
... Yeah, I just can't be conclusive on that yet under the circumstances...I guess final XBONEX code will be very interesting...I guess by then, I should have a few versions of the game myself, So I'll do a few comparisons myself...
Eh, it will be interesting if a patch releases for PRO and PC too, whatever the upgrades are....Seems like Doom, Witcher are getting revisited on Pro and perhaps even Titanfall 2..with the upgrades they specified on XBONEX..(which had a lot to do with the extra time they had to patch TF2 to XB...).....It will be interesting for sure...these holidays...
Tbh, I'm more interested in XB exclusives like Halo MCC, Sunset etc...