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NK has never before claimed that they could fit an H-bomb on an ICBM.
This is the first time they've claimed it, military officials have yet to confirm.
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BBC: Tremor is detected in North Korea (up: nuclear test conducted)
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NK has never before claimed that they could fit an H-bomb on an ICBM.
This is the first time they've claimed it, military officials have yet to confirm.
I'm open to other solutions. What's being done clearly isn't working.
Generalpsyduck
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No. you're a dumbass.
Yes.
Sadly, the US is as dangerous as NK right now because the president is a manchild. With someone sane in charge on either side i would be less worried, but that is not the case.
In addition, China either stands by NK or tries to keep Donald in check with their rhetoric. The latter is a good thing, as long as no hothead on either side goes crazy.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
It is not like the US does it out of the graciousness of their hearts, especially with Japan.
They do. It's possible that the news media over-reports this stuff just because it brings in the dollars and serves their people-panicking purposes. As we saw, their "Major Announcement" was just confirmation that they tested a new bomb, and that they did it underground so that no radiation leaked into the environment. Big wow.
Now to see if we get a dramatic Trump response tomorrow...
This reads like NK is begging to be a normal nation in earnest and the US is just denying them out of spite. I'm ignorant to what NK's goals are and what they would have to do to join the international community, but I'm sure with regards to that there are things nations would expect / have requested they do and they have chosen not to.
Weapons tests are one thing but I don't know what portion of NK's issues the US can be blamed for.
Operations
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This is just Kim renovating his insurance. Nothing new.
There is no military option for the US. Trump knows it, Kim knows it and Bannon even said it.
Any threat of preemptive strikes is a bluff and the whole world knows it.
That ship sailed 20 years ago
Give North Korea something let them be a bigger player on the world stage and they'll keep on asking for more while they continue to build their nuclear arsenal and tension will still be high with South Korea.
But yes, there are no good options.
iRAWRasaurus
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Uh you do know the history behind everything right?
SyenceLabb
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North Koreans have already publicly said that regardless of any concessions made by the U.S., they will continue to ignore U.N sanctions and work on building out their nuclear program.
The North Korean leadership want to carry on buying luxury watches and eating fancy imported cheese. Sanctions make it difficult for them to do those things. This sabre-rattling with their missiles/nuclear capability is the only card they can play to try and force the international community to appease them. They are never going to actually launch a strike as they would all die. They don't want to die, they want to carry on living in luxury while everyone else in NK starves. People are getting very worried because Donald Trump is probably the only world leader who actually thinks the NK is a serious military threat and not a deceptive song and dance.
120 kiloton estimated yield
https://www.norsar.no/press/latest-press-release/archive/large-nuclear-test-in-north-korea-on-3-september-2017-article1534-984.html
for context:
https://www.norsar.no/press/latest-press-release/archive/large-nuclear-test-in-north-korea-on-3-september-2017-article1534-984.html
for context:
Yeah insult me instead of writing something that can contribute to the discussion
Bam Bam Baklava
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Let's say you can look past the millions dying because they're all the way over there and you're here on your cushy ass in the US or Europe (assuming selective service doesn't come calling). The economic implications of the three biggest Asian economics (SK, China, and Japan) being in the middle of pure destructive chaos means many many years of global economic calamity. You guys sure you want that? Because the last economic downturn we had wasn't even that bad in the grand scheme of things and it seems like people could barely handle it.
NK has been a rogue state for decades. It has nothing to do with the US.
How dare you pin any of Russia's shit on the US.
It's kind of hard to have a discussion with someone who seems to be completely misinformed on what the entire thread is about.
IIRC Obama said the one thing that really kept him up at night worried was North Korea.
Would say data suggests it was indeed a Hydrogen Bomb. Even based on the low end prediction from South Korea of around 60kiloton that would be sufficient to be a Hydrogen bomb. Fusion instead of Fission for bombs becomes more efficient at 50kiloton. Norsars estimate of 120kiloton again would point to hydrogen bomb
Bam Bam Baklava
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In what context? Because it makes perfect sense to be worried about a region in which one wrong move can bring untold agony onto the world. Both the Soviet Union and the US were rational actors during the Cold War but that doesn't mean the minuscule chance of global annihilation was taken lightly.
He said that about Pakistan, not North Korea FYI.
Of course they should be a concern, their desire for nuclear weapons is real and they are still a rogue state. There is just too much hysteria around them thanks to years of aggressive rhetoric combined with Donald Trump.
I'm much more worried about a country like Pakistan, where terrorists could conceivably access nuclear materials.
Bitch Pudding
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Jeez, we're trying to have a conversation here...
To topic, nothing will happen, neither Nord Korea committing suicide by dropping a bomb nor the US attacking NK and risking a major conflict with China and millions of deaths in the area, including thousands of US citizens.
TheRedSnifit
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Russia invades other countries because the US provokes them, lmao. South Korea training their military has turned North Korea into a nuclear-armed slave state, lmao.
Did the Nazis invade Poland because the US provoked them too?
Bam Bam Baklava
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On a related note, if any other President had their top adviser say their threats about fire and fury were just bluffs and then the people you threatened completely blow you off and keep being provocative, you'd be considered totally deligitimized on the global stage.
SyenceLabb
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You would expect this type of improvement when you have slave nuclear scientists working around the clock.
They've made more progress in the last 2 years than they did in the 10 before.
They definitely got help from somewhere.
theignoramus
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Sheesh. They'll be able to hit every corner of the planet with a thermonuclear warhead by the early 2020s. How long until they start selling off nuclear expertise and technology to other rogue states?
TheSecondSpitter
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Thanks for reminding me that I'm reading about contemporary news events on a video game forum.
who would've thought DPRK in Crysis would be a reality?
Right, they've certainly never done that before.
I'm not gonna downplay the report of the magnitude from outside sources, or further intelligence from other countries. It definitely seems like a big bomb, but my post was in response to the posters here who seem to be a little too trusting of NK's word.
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Yes, like that time Obama set a clear red line for Assad in Syria, which was repeatedly breached with no clear repercussions.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Similar but worse because Ben Rhodes didn't come out and call Obama a punk to some news organization.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
North Korea is a rogue state. Besides, the firepower of the US is not in question.
Bam Bam Baklava
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The message that was sent to Iran, China, and Russia was loud and clear.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I'm not even sure his posts are worth anyone's time, he can barely write.
Seems to really like provacing, whatever that is. Some type of sex act?
And Ohio Fried Chicken. Maybe a Jake Pauler?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I don't see North Korea ever actually launching a nuclear ICBM, regardless of the fear mongering, unless the tensions escalate into direct conflict. And that would be in response to conflict or triggered circumstances rather than an initial attack as a declaration of war.
For all the mania that is North Korea, their minimal, flaky alliances leave them in a suicidally precarious position. Launching an ICBM as an act of war will assuredly disintegrate partnership with China, and the inevitable catastrophic fallout would see the entire region reduced to rubble under the bombardment from US and allied forces. Declaring war via ICBM is dictatorship suicide.
War these days tends to be fought not through direct conflict of nuclear powers but proxy wars and technologically one sided conflicts. We live in a perpetual cold war, and in a deeply interconnected modern world. So the biggest concerns I feel with this situation as it escalates are:
1) North Korea developing and selling off extremely dangerous missile and nuclear technology to smaller ideologically focused groups who may be at war with the US and others, which would be very difficult to track and potentially erode relationships with others.
and 2) Asian regional instability possibly through conflict, if not tension, and the consequences such would have on immigration and global finances and trade.
North Korea has been chest beating faux threats for a long, long time now. And the technological arms race towards nuclear ICBM armament is not remotely new on a global scale, nor shouldn't have been expected from a nation investing in this weaponry, no matter how "crazy" they might seem. But obviously as the tools become more readily available the caution is warranted.
I do feel the world as the way it is just won't escalate into MAD, not yet, and the real risks are more nuanced and backdoor that nuclear war between North Korea and the United States.
For all the mania that is North Korea, their minimal, flaky alliances leave them in a suicidally precarious position. Launching an ICBM as an act of war will assuredly disintegrate partnership with China, and the inevitable catastrophic fallout would see the entire region reduced to rubble under the bombardment from US and allied forces. Declaring war via ICBM is dictatorship suicide.
War these days tends to be fought not through direct conflict of nuclear powers but proxy wars and technologically one sided conflicts. We live in a perpetual cold war, and in a deeply interconnected modern world. So the biggest concerns I feel with this situation as it escalates are:
1) North Korea developing and selling off extremely dangerous missile and nuclear technology to smaller ideologically focused groups who may be at war with the US and others, which would be very difficult to track and potentially erode relationships with others.
and 2) Asian regional instability possibly through conflict, if not tension, and the consequences such would have on immigration and global finances and trade.
North Korea has been chest beating faux threats for a long, long time now. And the technological arms race towards nuclear ICBM armament is not remotely new on a global scale, nor shouldn't have been expected from a nation investing in this weaponry, no matter how "crazy" they might seem. But obviously as the tools become more readily available the caution is warranted.
I do feel the world as the way it is just won't escalate into MAD, not yet, and the real risks are more nuanced and backdoor that nuclear war between North Korea and the United States.
SolidChamp
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Edit: Nevermind. Stupid me, getting involved.
Any experience military general will tell you the best approach to the situation with NK is diplomacy and not threats. The West was able to make a deal with Iran and all the major powers could live with it. The current US administration has done nothing but provoke countries like Pakistan and Iran a far more dangerous foe than NK. Diplomacy works and that is what we should be considering with SK and Japan so close to NK with all scenarios pointing to the destruction of Seoul and Tokyo.
Bitch Pudding
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For context:
The September 2016 one - the most powerful one until today - was a 10k bomb, and the one detonated today had 120k. They surely made some major advances within the last couple of months.
Diplomacy doesn't work in this scenario.
Bill Clinton tried to get NK to end their nuclear program through negotiation and failed.
Bush Jr. tried threatening them and failed.
Obama tried to strategically wait them out and failed.
As long as the Kims are being propped up by China they will never stop pursuing their nuclear program until they can tip the scales in their favor.
Iran has at least some form of democratic process, and has a leader and growing population that doesn't hate the West. NK's leaders and people despise the West.
Bam Bam Baklava
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You should tell Secretary Mattis with all his years of experience that diplomacy doesn't here with NK. It seems like he might not have received this important briefing.
Congratulations China, SK's back is officially to the wall. You have no one to blame but yourselves. If you hated THAAD, you'll love this.
https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/904247867103100928
(URGENT) S. Korea says will consider deploying most powerful U.S. tactical weapons
https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/904247867103100928
(URGENT) S. Korea says will consider deploying most powerful U.S. tactical weapons
Every article I've read and every interview I've seen suggests that negotiating with NK directly will go nowhere. So unless Mattis knows something I don't (which I'm sure he does) then there's not really a point in trying to appease them.
I truly wish him the best of luck, but with all the information I have, I'm not optimistic.
TheRedSnifit
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Mattis also willingly works for Donald Trump, so I dunno.
Looks like thermo. Or the biggest fission ever.
So what should we do?