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In Destiny 2, shaders are now one-time use. (And yes, tied to microtransactions.)
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Angelus Errare
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But...FFXIV is the only MMO that does it this way...hardly "normal"
LOL The exact reaction I had. Still hyped as hell though after playing the PC Beta.
LowParry
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Is there any other MMOs the have a dye system? I dont remember WoW having it (though their armory is beast.)
texhnolyze
Banned
A lot of MMOs have dye system. But I'm not sure how many of them offer dyes in microtransactions (especially in paid ones).
LowParry
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14 is the only one that I know of. Hell they have a specific tab on the Mog Station for them.
FFXIV also has a lot of basic dyes you can get easily and on the cheap for in game money at anytime (or craft). Can't do that here yet, afaik (if we can someone please let me know lol). I don't have a problem with premium dyes/colors at all, but the single use bugs me a lot in addition to the lack of an easy way to have access to basic colors/shaders so that I can color my armor with reckless abandon. It's my biggest problem with the game, as someone who likes to fiddle with their sets and paint them a lot. It's not a game breaker by any means but it's pretty damn disappointing.
Guild Wars 2 does, and once you unlock a dye it is unlocked on your entire account for unlimited uses.
HiredN00bs
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But it sounds like they've made the MTX less exploitative than they were in D1. Is that not worth mentioning?
opticalmace
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"We made this game. And were pretty confident about how this game should be enjoyed."
MisterAnderson
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I can't fucking believe this shit.
texhnolyze
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But I couldn't find any dye which is only obtainable through microtransactions here. I never touch FFXIV cash shop so I'm not really sure about it.
Right, how could I forget about Guild Wars 2. ESO has it as well, and works exactly like GW2.
Dyes being one-time-use in Destiny 2 is indeed ridiculous.
Guild Wars 2, which once you get a dye, you can add it to the dye wardrobe for unlimited uses and for any character.
I'm enjoying the hell out of this game, but the new shader system is complete bullshit. So, if I find a shader I really like I have to just hope that more drop? That is a load of shit. It's a system that actively discourages using them because you don't know when you'll get more of a sharder you like, and you don't know how long you'll be using your current gear. The only way this is okay is if they drop at such a rate that you have 20+ of most shaders at any given time.
panama chief
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Im more sad that's there's no system for you to buy a certain shader once you have the color unlocked. I want Bumblebee EVERYTHING
But I'm pissed at costs. I earned or bought a shader. Color choice wasn't even mine. On top of RNG I have to spend 15000 glimmer to put it on my ship? The fuck?
But I'm pissed at costs. I earned or bought a shader. Color choice wasn't even mine. On top of RNG I have to spend 15000 glimmer to put it on my ship? The fuck?
Most of the time all you see of yourself in real life is the tip of your nose. Yet I'm sure you care a decent amount about your clothing.
jipewithin
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$$$
Not surprising. Lame.
Not surprising. Lame.
I'd like to see that system implemented into destiny 2 instead of the current one.
Wait until CoD WW2 is released than it will come to surface..they bloated microtransactions in all the last CoD but mostly putting weapons behind lootboxes..very infuriating. I hate activision for that to monetize chests with that shit.
Iunderstoodthatreferens.Gif"We made this game. And were pretty confident about how this game should be enjoyed."
MotionBlue
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Its shit, but I'm withholding judgment till level cap. I'm only level 10 and already have some.
Almost every F2P MMO has it. Guild Wars, Tree of Life, Elder Scrolls, Mech Warrior. Most of them have a buy it once, keep forever option. WoW is a bad judge for the genre, it is too atypical.
Almost every F2P MMO has it. Guild Wars, Tree of Life, Elder Scrolls, Mech Warrior. Most of them have a buy it once, keep forever option. WoW is a bad judge for the genre, it is too atypical.
The fact that they're cosmetic is irrelevant, nobody would complain if you could byu a shader for cash in the store, but putting CONSUMABLE cosmetic iteems in chests that you can loot box buy is asinine. There is a mile of difference between getting a skin in a loot box, and getting a part of a skin (a color) that you have to reapply every time you get more gear, and having it be consumable.
I don't have to reacquire a McCree skin every time Iwant to equip it, for example. One is loot box microtransaction shit, the other is F2P Garbage style transactions. Just because it's cosmetic doesn't change that.
ByWatterson
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This is bad, but hard to say how bad until we have a better idea of drop rates.
if you like that gear can't you just keep it and the shader you applied and continue to infuse it instead?
Meh.
Most triple A games have a hook these days.
I do not like it, but if let's say the 5% of people who give a shit about shaders fund the experience for everyone else, I have no problem with it.
People shine up their armour, and people like me who are more interested in gameplay benefit from the whales.
I love it that future expansions are being funded by people who pay for garbage like that.
Most triple A games have a hook these days.
I do not like it, but if let's say the 5% of people who give a shit about shaders fund the experience for everyone else, I have no problem with it.
People shine up their armour, and people like me who are more interested in gameplay benefit from the whales.
I love it that future expansions are being funded by people who pay for garbage like that.
This might be a pretty unavoidable issue for Bungie to address at this point.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyThe...hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=DestinyTheGame
Five threads on the front page of the Destiny Reddit, with one of them at 33k upvotes where the idea is to refuse to spend money until they're made to be unlimited uses.
It's nice to see the community come together over this.
And just to add something positive to this: I just finished the campaign and that was incredible.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyThe...hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=DestinyTheGame
Five threads on the front page of the Destiny Reddit, with one of them at 33k upvotes where the idea is to refuse to spend money until they're made to be unlimited uses.
It's nice to see the community come together over this.
And just to add something positive to this: I just finished the campaign and that was incredible.
lol
Melchiah
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I mostly used the same shader (Super Black), but the issue with this restriction is that I can't use the same shader anymore when I play with other subclasses, let alone with other characters. I switched subclasses every time there was elemental burn Strike on the weekly list, and when I was doing elemental bounties.
I imagine it will be a pain in the ass to grind for a particular shader to get it for all subclasses and characters, which will now push people to buy them with real money to save them the trouble. There was no need for that before, as once you got one it was shared with all of them.
I'm ok with Bungie implementing micro's for shaders seeing as its cosmetics.
Hopefully the drop rate of shaders is fair too
What's patently absurd is their one-time use.
I'm sorry but that is just a further tightening of the screws pushing you to spend, shaders should have unlimited use!
Hopefully the drop rate of shaders is fair too
What's patently absurd is their one-time use.
I'm sorry but that is just a further tightening of the screws pushing you to spend, shaders should have unlimited use!
Yeah, this definitely bothers me considering how they worked in Destiny 1. They better have a response to this.
The CS:GO community exploded when Sprays came back and we found out they were limited use. Even then, its 100 uses of the spray before it disappears. Obviously Valve didn't do anything about it (cause Valve) but it still pissed a lot of people off. The fact that these shaders are also tied to microtransactions and are ONE time use is completely ridiculous.
A flawed system too, no one will want to try different shaders because they will lose the one currently equipped.
Also, cant think of a single legitimate reason to defend this. Some people really are just blinded fans of the franchise, depressing.
The CS:GO community exploded when Sprays came back and we found out they were limited use. Even then, its 100 uses of the spray before it disappears. Obviously Valve didn't do anything about it (cause Valve) but it still pissed a lot of people off. The fact that these shaders are also tied to microtransactions and are ONE time use is completely ridiculous.
A flawed system too, no one will want to try different shaders because they will lose the one currently equipped.
Also, cant think of a single legitimate reason to defend this. Some people really are just blinded fans of the franchise, depressing.
Jailer of Hope
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You don't have to pay for expansions?
Melchiah
Member
That's just annoying. Before you needed just one for all subclasses and characters, now you need 4 for each (5 if shaders are applied to class items as well), that's at least 36 shaders in total if you want all their gear to have the same ones. Even more, if you want to swap gear at some point. Imagine the RNG grind for that.
Yeah, this is kinda ironic considering Destiny has by far the most expensive expansion packs in the business from a sheer content per dollar standpoint.
I mean, I can respect the hustle but to actively think this is a net positive for the consumer in any way, shape or form is naive as hell.
It sucks, and it ruins fashion Destiny, end of story. With each one being consumable, I'm simply never going to apply a shader unless I have a piece of armor or weapon that I absolutely know I won't be getting rid of. Even then, I can never customize everything and try new combos how I want. As someone who adores shaders in D1, and constantly swaps and plays around and tries different things depending on what I'm feeling that day, this is really disappointing.
Bungie needs to recognize the community's overwhelming response to this and fix it. Shaders should not be consumable... they were perfect in D1.
Bungie needs to recognize the community's overwhelming response to this and fix it. Shaders should not be consumable... they were perfect in D1.
The à¹ÛBronx
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I get the sentiment but I never got the shader from King's Fall in D1 despite running it multiple times specifically hoping to get it. I'd take a higher drop rate but being more selective in that respect.
If they still want to make shaders grindy, what they should do is make them a rare-drop/unlimited use but split them into categories:
Weapon Shaders
Armour Shaders
Ship Shaders
Ghost Shaders etc.
This encourages players to still run content over and over to get the different versions of the shaders. (ex. They got the armour shader from the raid and now they want to grind for the weapon version.)
Weapon Shaders
Armour Shaders
Ship Shaders
Ghost Shaders etc.
This encourages players to still run content over and over to get the different versions of the shaders. (ex. They got the armour shader from the raid and now they want to grind for the weapon version.)
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