Bill R Boggess
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The audience I was in cheered at that reveal in a way usually reserved for the end of a Marvel flick.
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The audience I was in cheered at that reveal in a way usually reserved for the end of a Marvel flick.
True.
matrixman92
Member
there was a young girl with her dad in the theater today. She couldnt have been older than 12. Quality father/daughter bonding right there. Maybe even took her out of school to see it lol.
But yeah, I went at 10:45 AM and the theater was packed. The girl taking the tickets even mentioned that this movie was extremely popular so far. It deserves it.
But yeah, I went at 10:45 AM and the theater was packed. The girl taking the tickets even mentioned that this movie was extremely popular so far. It deserves it.
Lord of Castamere
Member
I hope Pennywise talks more in the next movie. The best parts were him speaking, and drooling. Really unsettling.
DerekOfTheDykes
Member
God... I don't want to sound like a broken record, but so much passion clearly went into these designs to make every major setpiece and moment look original, memorable, and fuckinh SCARY
Like, I can forgive the couple of rougher moments, because they just NAIL the execution and design in almost every regard.
More_Badass
Member
Hey, at least you're not like me, hanging out in the OT and haven't even seen the movie yet
Oh god that was such an amazing scare.
Since it wasn't in the book,
I'm not too sure myself, because I had expected the scene to end where the trailer did, so when It popped out of the screen I had already let my guard down and was totally surprised.
holygeesus
Banned
Definitely Elm Street inspired that moment. If you think about it, this was pretty much a Freddy movie. It's literally a beat for beat mirror plot-wise.
What a goddamned dumb movie this was.
Firstly, let me state that the kids in the movie were great. Their relationships felt real, the humour was straight out of stranger things (with the one actor, too), and in general, they worked REALLY well for me. I enjoyed the banter and detective work and all that jazz, and it was generally good.
Likewise with the creepy as fuck parents. Bev's dad was disgusting and genuinely disturbing, and the one over-protected kid's mom definitely knew WTF was happening in town.
I wish they had dove a bit deeper into the history of pennywise, and how obviously some people know what is going on their town. The adults are somewhat in on it, and they were the creepiest part of the movie for me... everything else.. not so much.
Every "scare" in the film was a jump scare, that was conveniently preceded by about 20-30 seconds of spooky music to telegraph that it was coming. Every lick of horror in this movie was predictable and it became laughable. It killed any tension that was being built otherwise.
How 'bout the rules the film set up for itself? Are we gonna adhere to them? of course not.
Georgie gets killed off immediately, okay, cool. He's scared of pennywise and he feeds on fear, one and done he's dead. But what about the rest of the kids? They're all just as, if not more so scared of pennywise at many points during the film, yet instead of going for the kill, pennywise just delays and delays until one of the other kids can conveniently interrupt just before he goes for the strike. This happened every. single. time.
Okay, so lets now talk about the bully kid. He was a shithead who deserved to die immediately, but pennywise enlists him to do what exactly? He sat outside in his car and waited for all the kids to go into the house, okay.. so, all but one make it into the well and to relative safety before the final boss, and then bully-kid comes in and hits one kid over the head before being easily disposed of. The character didn't even need to exist in the film he was so anticlimactic.
Every time the kids said they needed to stick together to defeat pennywise, one would immediately wander off to investigate a fucking sound. This happened what, four times? WE MUST STICK TOGETHER.. hey where's billy? BILLY'S FUCKING DEAD, KIDS.
Lets talk about that final boss battle and ending.. he's got a clown murder cave in the sewer system with a bunch of floating kids. The kids overcome their fears and banish pennywise down the proverbial toilet. One kid comments that the people are floating down and it's never touched upon again.
One month later all the kids are making a blood pact.. no talk if those people survived, or if they were dead, or disfigured or anything. No investigation by police into wtf went on or how it all went down, everything, including the historical research and deeper lore of the film just get thrown out of the window so one kid can get a chub before the love interest fleas to portland.. cool.
Now, don't get me wrong.. if I were a kid in that situation, I'd be scared shitless and the ability to overcome those fears would be a mammoth task.. but as a filmgoer and observer of this story, nothing about it scared me, made me feel any suspense or anxiety for the situations that unfolded. Telegraphed jump scare after jump scare, I was just sitting there bored of watching the drooling clown pull a bond-villain level cat and mouse game with all the kids, when all I could think of is how quickly poor Georgie bit the dust.
ALSO: What was with the blood that the adults couldn't see? Okay, cool, it's a psychological effect on the kids.. so if we've established that the blood isn't real (by way of the dad being like wtf bev you're on crack and don't forget I'm a child abuser), why the hell would they spend the afternoon cleaning something that wasn't there?
ALSO PT 2: So, truffle-shuffle kid gets a letter carved into his stomach, AND slashed across his belly, and no one bats an eye other than "he's leaking hamburger helper!" ?? -- Would his parents not be like WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO YOU? WHO ARE YOU HANGING OUT WITH WHAT THE FUCK.
ALSO PT 3: So pennywise could become larger than life when coming out of the projector.. why didn't he just make himself bigger during the final fight? they wouldn't have been able to jump him at all.
Or the jewish kid who had his face chewed off? His parents didn't give a shit either.
Clearly the injuries were real because they got bandaged up, but WHAt?
So many holes in the movie that ruined the build for me.. there were good bits for sure, but god was it stupid. It doesn't deserve all the praise it's getting at all.
Firstly, let me state that the kids in the movie were great. Their relationships felt real, the humour was straight out of stranger things (with the one actor, too), and in general, they worked REALLY well for me. I enjoyed the banter and detective work and all that jazz, and it was generally good.
Likewise with the creepy as fuck parents. Bev's dad was disgusting and genuinely disturbing, and the one over-protected kid's mom definitely knew WTF was happening in town.
I wish they had dove a bit deeper into the history of pennywise, and how obviously some people know what is going on their town. The adults are somewhat in on it, and they were the creepiest part of the movie for me... everything else.. not so much.
Every "scare" in the film was a jump scare, that was conveniently preceded by about 20-30 seconds of spooky music to telegraph that it was coming. Every lick of horror in this movie was predictable and it became laughable. It killed any tension that was being built otherwise.
How 'bout the rules the film set up for itself? Are we gonna adhere to them? of course not.
Georgie gets killed off immediately, okay, cool. He's scared of pennywise and he feeds on fear, one and done he's dead. But what about the rest of the kids? They're all just as, if not more so scared of pennywise at many points during the film, yet instead of going for the kill, pennywise just delays and delays until one of the other kids can conveniently interrupt just before he goes for the strike. This happened every. single. time.
Okay, so lets now talk about the bully kid. He was a shithead who deserved to die immediately, but pennywise enlists him to do what exactly? He sat outside in his car and waited for all the kids to go into the house, okay.. so, all but one make it into the well and to relative safety before the final boss, and then bully-kid comes in and hits one kid over the head before being easily disposed of. The character didn't even need to exist in the film he was so anticlimactic.
Every time the kids said they needed to stick together to defeat pennywise, one would immediately wander off to investigate a fucking sound. This happened what, four times? WE MUST STICK TOGETHER.. hey where's billy? BILLY'S FUCKING DEAD, KIDS.
Lets talk about that final boss battle and ending.. he's got a clown murder cave in the sewer system with a bunch of floating kids. The kids overcome their fears and banish pennywise down the proverbial toilet. One kid comments that the people are floating down and it's never touched upon again.
One month later all the kids are making a blood pact.. no talk if those people survived, or if they were dead, or disfigured or anything. No investigation by police into wtf went on or how it all went down, everything, including the historical research and deeper lore of the film just get thrown out of the window so one kid can get a chub before the love interest fleas to portland.. cool.
Now, don't get me wrong.. if I were a kid in that situation, I'd be scared shitless and the ability to overcome those fears would be a mammoth task.. but as a filmgoer and observer of this story, nothing about it scared me, made me feel any suspense or anxiety for the situations that unfolded. Telegraphed jump scare after jump scare, I was just sitting there bored of watching the drooling clown pull a bond-villain level cat and mouse game with all the kids, when all I could think of is how quickly poor Georgie bit the dust.
ALSO: What was with the blood that the adults couldn't see? Okay, cool, it's a psychological effect on the kids.. so if we've established that the blood isn't real (by way of the dad being like wtf bev you're on crack and don't forget I'm a child abuser), why the hell would they spend the afternoon cleaning something that wasn't there?
ALSO PT 2: So, truffle-shuffle kid gets a letter carved into his stomach, AND slashed across his belly, and no one bats an eye other than "he's leaking hamburger helper!" ?? -- Would his parents not be like WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO YOU? WHO ARE YOU HANGING OUT WITH WHAT THE FUCK.
ALSO PT 3: So pennywise could become larger than life when coming out of the projector.. why didn't he just make himself bigger during the final fight? they wouldn't have been able to jump him at all.
Or the jewish kid who had his face chewed off? His parents didn't give a shit either.
Clearly the injuries were real because they got bandaged up, but WHAt?
So many holes in the movie that ruined the build for me.. there were good bits for sure, but god was it stupid. It doesn't deserve all the praise it's getting at all.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
What about that CG tho, huh?
Massively overthinking it
NYR
Member
Damned if you do dammed if you don't. The trailer is the primary reason the movie is doing so well, it was arguably the best trailer in years.
Now that I'm home and I've eaten my thoughts.
I fucking loved it. Just a well cast and executed movie. Pennywise was great. Yes you notice some of the CGI, but that doesn't take away from anything. Seriously, the woman in the painting was creepy.
It's definitely not full on horror like many here have said. I'd say it's more suspense. For this movie I think it's perfect. It struck a very nice balance.
For the sequel though. Since they'll all be adults. Pennywise should go all out fear and horror. Since at that point I assume it's not about feeding off of The Losers, but killing them.
Bowers is dead right?
oh and yea...This movie definitely deserves all the praise it's getting. It's why people are praising it. Because it's a good, fun and suspenseful movie.
I fucking loved it. Just a well cast and executed movie. Pennywise was great. Yes you notice some of the CGI, but that doesn't take away from anything. Seriously, the woman in the painting was creepy.
It's definitely not full on horror like many here have said. I'd say it's more suspense. For this movie I think it's perfect. It struck a very nice balance.
For the sequel though. Since they'll all be adults. Pennywise should go all out fear and horror. Since at that point I assume it's not about feeding off of The Losers, but killing them.
Bowers is dead right?
oh and yea...This movie definitely deserves all the praise it's getting. It's why people are praising it. Because it's a good, fun and suspenseful movie.
Jesus Christ you must be fun at parties.
More_Badass
Member
What police? Who's going to believe them? Especially in a fucked up place like Derry? (Which I guess the fact the movie doesn't really touch on that hurts that aspect)
Cleaning up the blood was for a traumatized Bev, because going back into that blood stained bathroom was terrifying.
Pretty much all the parents stuff is part of Derry being a corrupted place, where willful ignorance by the adults and madness and violence plagues the town due to IT's influence and presence
NYR
Member
You...you know movies aren't real, right? You sound like a Debbie Downer that I am glad not to be around, no offence, you're straight up nitpicking. Suspension of belief - it's a requirement when walking into a theatre.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I don't think he's overthinking it. It looks like regular ol' thinking.
but:
The part about Pennywise not getting any other kids but Georgie (and kinda/sorta Patrick) has been mentioned before, so that's kinda valid. His presence becomes less threatening as the film goes on due to this.
Kids splitting up doesn't seem out of bounds because even though they say "We need to stick together" they're still kids. The reasoning for their splitting up in the middle of a waking nightmare follows, to me. And the kids themselves call out how fucked up it is when they split up, too.
I dunno about referring to the climax of the film as a "Boss Battle" but this is a gaming forum, so shit like that is somewhat expected. But everything past that point is kinda nitpicky, really. Stan got bandaged up because he probably told a lie. Ben got bandaged up because he probably told a lie. They're dumb kids who spend all day fucking around outside in the summer, so far as their preoccupied parents are concerned. They just need to hear something good enough and they move it along. The kids are cleaning up the blood because it doesn't matter if the parents see it or not, they do, and Bev still has to use that bathroom. Why wouldn't they clean it up?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
The boys all cared about Bev and wanted to help her clean the bathroom. She was their new friend and they wanted to reassure her that she could depend on them if trouble starts. There was nothing wrong with that scene.
I think he's pointing out that if the blood was a hallucination then what were they cleaning up? Or was the blood real but the parent was just blinded by it, or experiencing his own hallucinating?
I think it's worth hammering out what was actually "real" in the movie and what wasn't, especially since the characters themselves make it a point to call out what's real and what's fake.
Edit: but I do agree with what Bobby said above. It doesn't matter if it was real, they wanted to help get rid of it for her. So they cleaned what could have been an already clean bathroom.
Suspension of disbelief only goes so far when the film contradicts itself at every turn.
You can't forgive massive storytelling faults by "overthinking it".
I pay attention to films, I get invested in the details, and when things fall apart because they don't make sense, then enjoyment goes out the window with it.
There are 'turn off your brain and enjoy the explosions' films sure, but for a psychological-based thriller? it was bullshit.
GET OUT did the creepy psychological stuff about 27x better than this movie ever could hope to.
More_Badass
Member
The blood was real. The parents can't see it. The kids can.
Galactic Specter
Member
Just came back from the theater. Outside of certain tonal shifts (some worked and some didn't), this was pretty good movie and a great adaption of (part) of the original book.
Skarsgard's Pennywise was absolutely perfect, I did not expect them to include and actually pull off his mad shuck n' jive. He truly was a dancing clown.
Skarsgard's Pennywise was absolutely perfect, I did not expect them to include and actually pull off his mad shuck n' jive. He truly was a dancing clown.
GET OUT was also a social commentary grounded in reality, sans the body switching subplot.
It is a story of a cosmic space clown that eats children.
Is this something explained in the books? I REALLY wanted more lore stuff, because the tastes of it we got were great.
Don't get me wrong, despite my diatribe above, I enjoyed a LOT about this film, a lot a lot. It's simply the tropey scares and jump jump jump BS that's been done a hundred times before. It felt predictable, and it disappointed me, because the rest of the movie worked so well.
Am I being nitpicky on some stuff? Sure. But it furthers my point that things didn't fully add up throughout the rest of the film.
And to be fair RE: the blood yes I know it was a metaphorical cleaning to help Bev out, it was more along the lines of what Neece said above, determining what was real or fake or hallucination or Pennywise's influence on the town..
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
The kids could only see the blood and the blood was real to them. The adults can't see it just like they can't see that the kids show is spreading fucked up messages.
The blood was "real" just like the "Missing poster" with Ritchie's face on it. That blood was going to stay there as long as she left it there. So they decided to clean it up
rackham
Banned
Seriously a lot try hard pseudointellectuals. Completely forgetting- or ignoring the fact that Derry is cursed and is influenced by IT.
BUT OH NO EVERYTHING DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND RUN LIKE THE REAL WORLD. yeah fuck off with kind of criticism. So ridiculous. For all of that just say you hate anything that isn't a history movie that actually happened because you're unable to suspend your disbelief. If you're only going to accept the idea of SOME parts of the movie but not other parts you're either A) not paying attention or B) being a contrarian bore.
As for Pennywise not immediately killing other kids. He feeds off FEAR as well as their physical bodies. He even fucking implies this when confronting Eddie with his broken arm.
Perhaps he, as an otherworldly entity should have just spelled every single thing out about himself for the audience.
BUT OH NO EVERYTHING DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND RUN LIKE THE REAL WORLD. yeah fuck off with kind of criticism. So ridiculous. For all of that just say you hate anything that isn't a history movie that actually happened because you're unable to suspend your disbelief. If you're only going to accept the idea of SOME parts of the movie but not other parts you're either A) not paying attention or B) being a contrarian bore.
As for Pennywise not immediately killing other kids. He feeds off FEAR as well as their physical bodies. He even fucking implies this when confronting Eddie with his broken arm.
Perhaps he, as an otherworldly entity should have just spelled every single thing out about himself for the audience.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
He shoulda used the slide show when he had the chance.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No, most of it added up, people are calling out the nitpickiness because instead of appreciating the larger whole you spent a lot of time talking about relatively small shit that doesn't add up to a whole lot.
Plus shit like "Tropey" and "Boss Battles" and "lore" makes it seem like the investigation of what's happening in the story isn't very deep. And a couple times you seem to actually cop to the idea that you could have suspended your disbelief (i.e. "if I was a kid...") you just... decided not to.
It's a lot of criticism, and a lot of it is real thin. That's not to say it's invalid, but it's also not that weighty, either, yunno? The film isn't "contradicting itself" in a lot of those examples, and piling up a bunch of nitpicks doesn't make those nitpicks "contradictions" either. Not much of what you posted is a contradiction, it's just stuff you didn't like. Little stuff you didn't like.
Which is fine! But if you acknowledge it's little shit, and you acknowledge that the large majority of stuff in the film was stuff you did like, building this case out of nitpicks leads to a real rickety argument, is all.
More_Badass
Member
Bev being horrified and having to act calm in front of her father as he comes to the bathroom to see why she screamed, him not seeing anything as she's scared out of her mind, is one really tense and creepy section in the book because it blends the domestic terror with the creepy nature of IT
And yes, the book goes so deep into the lore and history, you could do a whole miniseries out of that stuff alone if you wanted. I imagine they'll delve more into that in the second movie; it's a big part of the preamble to the adult story.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I agree the movie could have done a lot more with showing how Pennywise influences the town and it's adults but what we're shown is good enough, imo.
People can have problems with the movie and that shouldn't be waved off. Some things can be nitpicky though.
You only see Pennywise get two people. To really beef it up you could have probably added a scene or two where you see him get one or two more kids.
But this was also a problem with the miniseries as well. At least in this you got see him kill Georgie.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Everyone's talking about the CGI but I think we shouldn't distract ourselves from Eddie's mom's atrocious fat suit.
Cool, thanks for this.
The whole group I went with were excited to see the movie, myself included. We all left fairly disappointed. We all had different expectations and have different film tastes. To say that because I didn't like the film I'm automatically a debbie downer is a bit judgemental?
We had a really great expeditionary character doing research about the town, we had parents who were seemingly in on it. I'm not criticizing those characters, I'm saying I wish there was more of them, they were great and added to the mystique of the film.
Don't be so quick to just discredit my criticisms of the film before reading fully what they were. I am very capable of suspending my disbelief, but it is difficult to continue to do so when the film pulls you out of the moments by breaking its own established rules.
YEs, I know pennywise feeds off fear, and yes I remember the dialog from the film regarding it. My issue was not that, my issue was that the matters of convenience that he'd always wait just long enough for some other kid to thwart him, time after time, when previously (with Georgie), he just got shit done.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
You get to see an illusion of how he probably killed Betty.
rackham
Banned
Why do you NEED to see Pennywise kill anybody? That's not a problem or a critique. That's your personal preference to see blood and gore.
I think it's intentional. A lot of the second part is the adults coming to terms with what happened during their childhoods and having to face it all over again. There will be a lot of reflecting and flashbacks (already confirmed they are going to try to get the child actors back for Chapter Two). I really think it's something better explored in the second part when everyone has to return to Derry again, perfect time for them to have those, "isn't it fucked up how..." conversations about Derry.
Well yea. It's one thing I would change. Because outside of Georgie and The one kid from Bowers gang the rest of the movie you see him fucking with the kids but failing to finish the job when they were clearly scared.
What did he mean by this?
Member
What does seeing him kill a bunch of children do for you exactly?
Either he straight up cant kill them if they're not scared enough, or he just doesnt care to kill them. IT is a very arrogant creature so leaving some dumb kid alive doesnt bother him at all, he can eat him later~!
Personally, I really disliked how Georgie's death was handled. Him crawling away and the cleanness of the rip all was too unrealistic. The rest of the film brought me back, but that's the most iconic scene in the property and they messed it up
Either he straight up cant kill them if they're not scared enough, or he just doesnt care to kill them. IT is a very arrogant creature so leaving some dumb kid alive doesnt bother him at all, he can eat him later~!
Personally, I really disliked how Georgie's death was handled. Him crawling away and the cleanness of the rip all was too unrealistic. The rest of the film brought me back, but that's the most iconic scene in the property and they messed it up
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think the bolded is why you're getting the pushback you're getting (some less delicate/fair than others, yeah), because your posts have the ring of CinemaSins bullshit, and you voluntarily admitted you could have suspended disbelief, you just didn't want to.
At that point people are gonna be like "well shit, why not?"
The movie didn't prevent you from doing it, because you've admitted you could see why the kids acted the way they acted, and the film explained why these things could have happened the way they happened. You just didn't like 'em. Which, again, is cool. But when you present that as if you had no choice but to withhold suspension of disbelief, that's gonna have people like "okay, wait a min..."
I don't think most of your criticisms are even unfair. I just think they're really small potatoes in the face of the larger successes of the film.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
The Losers were constantly together defending themselves and thinking fast on their feet when things didn't look right. Georgie was all by himself, a little gullible, and easily afraid. Those three things are what Pennywise craves and the Losers gave him a bit of a challenge in not giving in.
I appreciate your cander with this response. Admittedly I used "boss battle" as levity considering the forum we are on. Was being cute during my ramblings.
Sure, some of my arguments may be thin. But they are items that slowly pulled me out of the film one by one and added up as minor annoyances into enough to tip the scales away from loving the film.
I'm not sure if my point is fully understood or perhaps I'm not stating it correctly, but my biggest gripe was the horror elements specifically felt predictable. The rest was great. I just really wished there was one or two moments that truly surprised me from a HORROR perspective. Because of that, and the other nitpicks I pointed out above, it dumbed the movie way down that my overall enjoyment of it suffered.
It's a movie about a killer clown, I went in knowing this and had my beliefs and expectations in check. My problem was the movie slowly pulled me out of it. Admittedly minor details started bothering me enough to the point where I had troubles suspending. It wasn't about not wanting to.
That and the cheesy horror moments kind of worked in tandem to lessen the whole for me.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
1. Garage
2. Old house
3. Library
But my favorite moment is near the end when Pennywise does a super animated jig but his head doesnt move and he just stares forward and looks very, very mad. It was just super funny and weird.
rackham
Banned
Georgie is much younger than the Loser's Club and was by himself. He also made the mistake of reaching too close to Pennywise's mouth. Pennywise doesn't immediately kill the other children because he is, again, feeding off their fear. When they, as a group come together and start to regain their bravery, he is not immediately as powerful so he has to resort to scaring them again.
I don't agree with your criticisms that brought you out of the movie. Aside from the music, which I think is your opinion and fine- although I disagree, the rest are really bad and makes me think you went in ready to be disappointed.