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Rumor: Desktop Coffee Lake CPUs to be available Oct 5th

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Durante

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dr_rus

dr_rus

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terencecah said:
I would upgrade my CPU more often if it didn't involve a new mobo
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Upgrading a CPU in the same socket usually doesn't worth it performance wise anyway. These days you're better off skipping a couple of sockets completely if you want to see anything resembling a better CPU performance.
 
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Neith

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dr_rus said:
Upgrading a CPU in the same socket usually doesn't worth it performance wise anyway. These days you're better off skipping a couple of sockets completely if you want to see anything resembling a better CPU performance.
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I would disagree with this in some instances related to the 1155 board at least. Going from a 2500K to a 2600K was well worth my time. Upgrades in various open world games are not small to me. It's not huge but it certainly stops stuttering in some games or lessens it a lot. And for a little over a hundred bucks it was better than going out and spending 1000 and having to redo everything for now.
 
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Zojirushi

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3570k and slow ass DDR3 RAM give me terrible frametiming in every game nowadays so I wonder if this is a good upgrade path.
 
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Mrbob

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Oh yeah another 3570k and DDR3 ram bro. 6 core chip that performs like the 7700k looks like a worthy upgrade for me. I didn't realize how slow the 3570k is by comparison until I started looking at some benchmarks this past week.

I'm probably going to get the 8700k unless something goes horribly wrong with the benchmarks.
 
Ghost_Messiah

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Couple of questions for the tech folks:

1. Rocking a quad-core i5-7300HQ. Worth upgrading to a high-end Coffee Lake i7?
2. When will these processors become widely available in laptops?

Any insight would be appreciated.
 
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PFD

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Will probably upgrade my Devil's Canyon 4790K once the Intel 8 core/16 thread mainstream CPU comes out (or Zen+/Zen++)

For now, i'd much rather spend money on GPUs instead
 
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Oxn

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PFD said:
Will probably upgrade my Devil's Canyon 4790K once the Intel 8 core/16 thread mainstream CPU comes out (or Zen+/Zen++)

For now, i'd much rather spend money on GPUs instead
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I wouldnt even care about upgrading my 3770K if it wasnt for the fact that i want to move over to mini-itx
 
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Renekton

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Durante said:
Which games?
The games that really need high-end CPU power have also started scaling well beyond 4-way parallelism (and a real core will always be faster than a SMT HW thread):
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-02...piele-test/#abschnitt_performancerating_in_hd
And this is comparing the 7700k to older HEDT CPUs, not its successor architecture.
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@.@ at the BF1 Multiplayer

DongBeetle said:
4690 and slow ass DDR3. Wonder how much improvement
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Same boat. It's gonna be a huge improvement for me.
 
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Branson

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Korezo said:
Have to retire my 2600k finally, still works good, but can't do 4k 60 on some games like SFV and tekken 7.
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As far as I know resolution is mainly GPU based. A new CPU from that probably WILL get you better frames but its not as essential as a GPU for 4k.
 
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Mrbob

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Ghost_Messiah said:
Couple of questions for the tech folks:

1. Rocking a quad-core i5-7300HQ. Worth upgrading to a high-end Coffee Lake i7?
2. When will these processors become widely available in laptops?

Any insight would be appreciated.
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You are comparing a mobile cpu to a desktop CPU. The 7700k is roughly 20% faster than the 7700HQ and that is without overclocking the 7700K, which is faster than your 7300HQ. It'll be a big jump. The mobile replacement (the "8300HQ" or "8700HQ") hasn't been talked about yet, but rumor is laptops will see these processors Q1 2018.

DongBeetle said:
4690 and slow ass DDR3. Wonder how much improvement
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Average Frame rates like 15 to 20% better on a 7700k. Minimum frame rates 20 to 30 % better though (I like this statistic more). Whether it's worth upgrading probably depends on what resolution and frame rate you like to game at. Also, the better the video card the more pronounced the difference between between the cpus. I don't think upgrading from your cpu to the 7700k is worth it, but the 8700k changes the equation slightly by giving two more cores. Wait for benchmarks and then decide.
 
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Renekton

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Mrbob said:
Average Frame rates like 15 to 20% better on a 7700k. Minimum frame rates 20 to 30 % better though (I like this statistic more). Whether it's worth upgrading probably depends on what resolution and frame rate you like to game at. Also, the better the video card the more pronounced the difference between between the cpus. I don't think upgrading from your cpu to the 7700k is worth it, but the 8700k changes the equation slightly be giving two more cores. Wait for benchmarks and then decide.
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The difference is likely bigger if we extrapolate from the article below, especially coming from the ultra-slow DDR3-1600 memory. I have a 4690 and can really feel the burn.

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-02.../#diagramm-battlefield-1-dx11-multiplayer-fps
 
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DongBeetle

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Mrbob said:
Average Frame rates like 15 to 20% better on a 7700k. Minimum frame rates 20 to 30 % better though (I like this statistic more). Whether it's worth upgrading probably depends on what resolution and frame rate you like to game at. Also, the better the video card the more pronounced the difference between between the cpus. I don't think upgrading from your cpu to the 7700k is worth it, but the 8700k changes the equation slightly by giving two more cores. Wait for benchmarks and then decide.
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Like I have a 1070 but I've been having weird performance issues in games where it doesn't seem like I should.
 
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m29a

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DongBeetle said:
Like I have a 1070 but I've been having weird performance issues in games where it doesn't seem like I should.
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Yep. I've got a 2500k (oc'd at 4.2ghz, max it'll go) and a 1070 and in some of the newer AAA games, plenty of microstutters here and there, and it's just not a smooth experience. The fps is decent enough, but the frame times tell another story. Can't wait for that 8700k! Come on October!
 
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DongBeetle

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m29a said:
Yep. I've got a 2500k (oc'd at 4.2ghz, max it'll go) and a 1070 and in some of the newer AAA games, plenty of microstutters here and there, and it's just not a smooth experience. The fps is decent enough, but the frame times tell another story. Can't wait for that 8700k! Come on October!
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Microstutters are a pain in the ass. Lots of audio popping too in some games.
 
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Mrbob

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Yup, this is why I like minimum frame rate as the most important metric versus average frame rate. When things get hectic the the older i5 CPUs have trouble keeping up. If you are used to higher frame rates like 120 or 144 hz the 8700k should be a substantial upgrade because it will hold up better when things are stressed.
 
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GameAddict411

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Ghost_Messiah said:
Couple of questions for the tech folks:

1. Rocking a quad-core i5-7300HQ. Worth upgrading to a high-end Coffee Lake i7?
2. When will these processors become widely available in laptops?

Any insight would be appreciated.
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The 7300HQ is soldered on your laptop motherboard so you are stuck with it until you replace the whole laptop. The 7700HQ from knowledge is slightly faster than a desktop 7600k. The 7300HQ is slower by quite a margin but it still good for most games.
 
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rezn0r

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Been waiting on this for awhile now, unless something goes haywire and performance is somehow lacking I'm moving from:

i7-950 -> i7-8700K
GTX 680 -> GTX 1080 Ti

And I am pumped
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roytheone

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Been thinking about upgrading my old i7 870 for like a year now (I am starting to see games being cpu bottlenecked) but the idea of having to replace my motherboard too seems very daunting.
 
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Toothbrush

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I just built a Ryzen 1700 based pc and a 7700k based pc... I know I probably shouldn't, but the hype is tempting me to sell one and build around this. I really should sell one regardless to be honest though. Expensive hobby. :(
 
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K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Ghost_Messiah said:
Couple of questions for the tech folks:

1. Rocking a quad-core i5-7300HQ. Worth upgrading to a high-end Coffee Lake i7?
2. When will these processors become widely available in laptops?

Any insight would be appreciated.
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You have a GTX 1050, which is not being bottlenecked by the 7300HQ. So no.

A high-end Coffee Lake will only make sense if the laptop you are buying also has an high-end GPU.
 
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Cidd

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Already got cash put aside for a new build this Black Friday. finally retiring my beloved i5 2500k.

i7 8700k and GTX 1080 Ti here I come.
 
longdi

longdi

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When Intel launched Z270 boards early this year, their bios were shit, Z170 users were also affected. Took them and board partners 4-5 months to fix.

So with them rushing CL and Z370 next month, you guys need to be cautious to jump in straight away.
 
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gypsygib

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If i have to buy a new mb, may as well get Ryzen 2 when it releases. AMD desreves my money this time around for making Intel gaf.
 
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dtcm83

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Another 3570k, 8gb DDR3 user here. Think I'm finally ready to take the plunge and upgrade to a 8700k with some fast DDR4 RAM. Have a GTX 970 so might hold out for a bit on a gpu upgrade until we get more news on the next nvidia cards (Volta 2000 series, or whatever it's going to be).
 
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K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
rezn0r said:
Been waiting on this for awhile now, unless something goes haywire and performance is somehow lacking I'm moving from:

i7-950 -> i7-8700K
GTX 680 -> GTX 1080 Ti

And I am pumped
TadkV.gif
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Why not sit on the 680 until Volta? The 1180/2080 (whichever they call it) will probably be both faster and cheaper than the 1080 Ti.
 
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JaseC

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K.Jack said:
Why not sit on the 680 until Volta? The 1180/2080 (whichever they call it) will probably be both faster and cheaper than the 1080 Ti.
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I don't think the timing is bad. The 680 isn't much of a gaming card these days, having about the same amount of grunt as a 1050 Ti, and consumer Volta is still at least ~six months away judging from Nvidia's recent comment that it views Pascal as the architecture to beat "for the holiday season and foreseeable future". Additionally, if he has a 2GB model, then that's a rather low ceiling for modern AAA games.
 
dr_rus

dr_rus

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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/european-core-i7-8700k-coffee-lake-prices-spotted-in-germany.html

Neith said:
I would disagree with this in some instances related to the 1155 board at least. Going from a 2500K to a 2600K was well worth my time. Upgrades in various open world games are not small to me. It's not huge but it certainly stops stuttering in some games or lessens it a lot. And for a little over a hundred bucks it was better than going out and spending 1000 and having to redo everything for now.
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I seriously doubt that you've got more than +10% of performance from such an upgrade.
 
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rezn0r

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K.Jack said:
Why not sit on the 680 until Volta? The 1180/2080 (whichever they call it) will probably be both faster and cheaper than the 1080 Ti.
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It's not a bad suggestion, I've played leap-frog for so long with wanting to upgrade during hardware launches that if I see any more concrete info about Volta in the next few months, it could make me want on the GPU side as well. I feel pretty set on the 8700K for the CPU though.

JaseC said:
I don't think the timing is bad. The 680 isn't much of a gaming card these days, having about the same amount as grunt as a 1050 Ti, and consumer Volta is still at least ~six months away judging from Nvidia's recent comment that it views Pascal as the architecture to beat "for the holiday season and foreseeable future". Additionally, if he has a 2GB model, then that's a rather low ceiling for modern AAA games.
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Thanks for the input too - unless the ~six months is very accurate or even more than reality, I would probably want to upgrade before then. Also, I thought I had more than 2GB in this 680 but just went and checked and yeah it's the 2GB version... depressing. My Steam backlog is ridiculous because I just stick with FF14 these days, wanting to save everything for 'better hardware'
of course, not as ridiculous as yours :p
 
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Espada

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Will it be worth it to jump from a Haswell CPU (4590) to one of these? Every time I've asked before now people have told me to just wait. Is that the case here or will these be worth the money?
 
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ThoseDeafMutes

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Espada said:
Will it be worth it to jump from a Haswell CPU (4590) to one of these? Every time I've asked before now people have told me to just wait. Is that the case here or will these be worth the money?
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If you're targeting 60 frames per second, your CPU isn't likely to be the limiting factor in most modern games. If you have a high refresh rate monitor, then the jump could definitely be worthwhile. If you're doing streaming or other non-gaming tasks for your CPU, then Ryzen or Coffee Lake could both be good options for an upgrade on those grounds.
 
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Espada

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ThoseDeafMutes said:
If you're targeting 60 frames per second, your CPU isn't likely to be the limiting factor in most modern games. If you have a high refresh rate monitor, then the jump could definitely be worthwhile. If you're doing streaming or other non-gaming tasks for your CPU, then Ryzen or Coffee Lake could both be good options for an upgrade on those grounds.
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Hmm, alright I'll keep what I have for now. I can definitely play @ 60 fps while doing other things on the computer. Thanks for the help, that's a little extra money saved.
 
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