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[joe2187]

No love lost for Nazi's, but not sure I like punching some dude just for talking shit. Was he an immediate threat to anyone?

The arm band that was attributed to a mass genocide of over 6+ millions...nah, no hate...only heritage.

 

[Fenderputty]

I'm still not certain what obvious thing you think I am ignoring.

You had to ignore the obviously incoming right wing spin if you're calling someone a clown for making that claim. Or, what should be obvious too, that being against violence even against Nazi's is not inherently clownish. Unless the person you quoted is actually a Nazi sympathizer, I didn't see your retort at all helpful to the overall topic. It's decisive with or against us rhetoric. The below is an example of using some thought before calling people names.

Maybe I should wait until page 10 to discuss this since emotions are high? I'm not trying to single you out either. It was just one of the many posts I saw in this thread.

i think in this case trying to defend the man with the swastika armband would do more harm than good for the right wing's image

i do agree that people need to be careful and only punch people who are in the process of unmistakably identifying themselves as a nazis

and also that it is perfectly valid to be on an individual level a pacifist

but i think it is very unwise for a hypothetical person who would not be at risk during a nazi uprising to condemn those who are trying to prevent a repeat of their last uprising - criticism of individual events that were poor optics is fine and strengthens the opposition by improving it, but criticism of the principle of fighting back against nazis is not

To your first point ... we have a shining example of this just happening in Charlottesville. The right lives in their own bubble and half the nation morally equivocated ANTIFA with Nazi's. Keep in mind that many of the ANTIFA attacks were reactions to violent acts by Nazis themselves. So in Charlottesville, not only did we have the moral high ground ideologically, but also in reality and it was still both sided to hell and back. The right has to do this because it makes their base feel better in their casual or overt racism.

To your last point. I don't really disagree. It's part of the reason I'm for punching them in the fist place. I don't think we're quite at "nazi uprising" though. So to some extent I view ANTIFA as a blunt object where something with more thought and precision is currently needed. ANTIFA and their tactics seem more useful in a last resort type scenario.

 

[JustenP88]

People are really sensitive about punches. People punch each other for sport. Kids punch each other on playgrounds. Nazis do/advocate genocides.

That punch was merciful.

I remember as a kid everyone talked about "what would you do if you could go back in time and stop Hitler?"

No one made the stupid rationalizations and excuses everyone makes in 2017 about how to treat Nazis.

I'd go back to 1930s Germany to eat sheetcake and tweet about Hitler.

 

[CopperPuppy]

Unrelated to the video but one thing we need to be careful about is a bully forcing their victims to look like Nazi so they can get punched but that's probably unrealistic.

Ya'll are REACHING now, holy shit.

 

[Qblivion]

Would you be dancing in the streets about a "Nazi's" house being burned down? How about with him in it?

Yes.

Next question.

 

[xandaca]

I think I would feel a whole lot better about this if there was video of this guy screaming at people before hand.

The only video I see is of him being surrounded by other 4 or 5 people and getting punched in the face mid-sentence. All I heard was "they deserve the...(something?)...PUNCHED OUT"

It would go a long way in showing he actually deserved to get beaten right there on the street. Sure, the armband swastika is pretty bad in it's own right, but showing the guy mouthing off and spewing pure hate live in a video would make me personally feel a whole lot better about it.

Hopefully someone on the bus or train got video of this Nazi guy doing more than just sitting in a seat listening to music on his headphones. Because that'll be the narrative the Alt-Right uses in their propaganda. "Innocent man taking advantage of 1st amendment rights ruthlessly attacked by radical Antifa extremists blah blah blah shit". That's how it'll be spun - making him into the victim.

I assume he probably went back and forth with someone based on the armband he was wearing. I'd probably say something too to this clown if he's just walking down the street wearing that shit. But I ain't taking a swing at him unless he takes one at me. Having video evidence of him spewing hatred beforehand would go along way, though, in making me take a good swing at him. Especially if he was doing it right in my face.

Is there a longer version of that video some where? I want to hear more of what the Nazi guy was saying beforehand to people.

EDIT - looks like YouTube is taking them down.

I don't advocate violence and stuff like this is only going to make things worse, but on your wanting to hear what he was saying to feel better about the punch, he was wearing a Nazi armband. If you, like most here, support scumbags being potentially killed (as long as it's someone else doing it, obviously), the armband alone is proof of scumbaggery, even if one assumes it was predominantly for provocation, even without knowing exactly what he was gibbering on about.

 

[Temeculan3000]

Ya'll are REACHING now, holy shit.

GUYS WHAT IF IT WAS LIKE A BOMB IN NYC AND HE HAD TO WEAR IT LIKE JOHN MCCLANE IN DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE OR ELSE??!!

 

[How About No]

Unrelated to the video but one thing we need to be careful about is a bully forcing their victims to look like Nazi so they can get punched but that's probably unrealistic.

this is about as much sense as that "but what if it was a child's dying wish was to say the n-word then is it ok" post

 

[astroturfing]

man that was a CRAZY punch, could very easily kill someone like that.. maybe not from the punch itself but when falling down and hitting the skull against pavement. this guy's head might be mush now, he could die (from swelling of the brain later on, for example) or be permanently disabled. real life isnt like in the movies where dudes get up after 20 punches like its nothing..

he is a nazi though so ehh.. too bad. much better people suffer and die every moment of every day, i'm all out of empathy for these type of scum. try being a better human next time, you dumb shit.

 

[Zap Rowsdower]

Ya'll are REACHING now, holy shit.

Gotta keep sympathizing with those actual Nazis calling for mass murder.

 

[Trouble]

Not at all. This is the first I've heard of someone outright wearing an armband downtown.

The area this happened (3rd and Pine) is a shit show already, so it doesn't surprise me it happened there.

Yeah, that area is a shitshow, but you don't have to worry too much about your safety if you aren't wearing a nazi armband. It's just a really busy area because it's basically the nexus downtown shopping and transit.

 

[The Elite]

Unrelated to the video but one thing we need to be careful about is a bully forcing their victims to look like Nazi so they can get punched but that's probably unrealistic.

Like in Die Hard 3 with the sandwich board?

 

[D4Danger]

Unrelated to the video but one thing we need to be careful about is a bully forcing their victims to look like Nazi so they can get punched but that's probably unrealistic.

sprinkle some fascism on him

 

[Moze]

Would you be dancing in the streets about a "Nazi's" house being burned down? How about with him in it? I'm just wondering where we draw the line as far as celebrating violence.

That is too far. It's a waste of time for public services and a danger to other people. A clean KO like the one in the OP is good stuff. I wouldn't want to see any head stomping or kicking him whilst he is down. Keep it respectful. Nothing wrong with a fight over extreme disagreements on views like this.

 

[Big-E]

I came in expecting a sloppy punch. Glad I was wrong. If you told me that the guy died I would believe it. Awesome knockout.

 

[Esiquio]

I gotta say, that is a solid-ass hit to the jaw.

But this slope can be slippery as hell. I mean, if this guy was being an asshole and harassing other people, I can see him just asking to get confronted and smacked down, like this video. Though if it's just two groups disagreeing and one side is looking to start some violence when there could be conversation, and there's a mob mentality of violence, that gets more murky.

Curious to see how this all plays out, in the media and legally, since there's video evidence of how this played out.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

this is about as much sense as that "child's dying wish was to say the n-word" post

wai wut

I must see this post.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Extremely unlikely, but I can see a group of teenagers slapping a Nazi sticker on their least likable friend in their group who is unaware about it. If such an unlikely case does happen, the best way is to ask the kid if they are aware of they are wearing and what it represents.

Yea that's a hypothetical that doesn't seem even remotely realistic even considering how shitty teenagers can be.

 

[Hoo-doo]

800mg of THC? Goddamn son, that dude must have been in goddamn orbit.

 

[How About No]

wai wut

I must see this post.

its in one of the 4 billion page pdp threads and im lazy

Edit thank you Eden

 

[Stead Fast]

The only concern I have at all over this, is if that poor dude's hand is okay. That was a fucking swing!

 

[smokeandmirrors]

THERE IS NO SLIPPERY SLOPE WITH VIOLENCE AGAINST NAZIS

THE SLOPE IS ALLOWING THEM A PLATFORM IN THE FIRST GODDAMNED PLACE.

 

[Quixzlizx]

I gotta say, that is a solid-ass hit to the jaw.

But this slope can be slippery as hell. I mean, if this guy was being an asshole and harassing other people, I can see him just asking to get confronted and smacked down, like this video. Though if it's just two groups disagreeing and one side is looking to start some violence when there could be conversation, and there's a mob mentality of violence, that gets more murky.

Curious to see how this all plays out, in the media and legally, since there's video evidence of how this played out.

A conversation about all the good things Hitler did?

 

[Vermillion]

Violence in favor of an ideology goes both ways.

And that's not some "both sides" shit - Nazis are objectively more harmful. But, I don't think this is the way. Puts me at odds with most of y'all but - so be it.

 

[Crossing Eden]

wai wut

I must see this post.

 

[Foggy]

What if someone kidnapped Barack Obama and forced him to dress up as a Nazi or else a bus full of children would be blown up if it goes below 55mph? How would you feel? It's something to think about.

 

[Aselith]

wai wut

I must see this post.

Disney land? Fuck that. I want a guilt free N bomb, Daddy.

Yes, son, we all do. We all do.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I remember as a kid everyone talked about "what would you do if you could go back in time and stop Hitler?"

No one made the stupid rationalizations and excuses everyone makes in 2017 about how to treat Nazis.

 

[exmachina64]

There's no negotiating with this ideology. They would vote to have you killed if they had the chance.

They already are.

 

[Zap Rowsdower]

Violence in favor of an ideology goes both ways.

And that's not some "both sides" shit - Nazis are objectively more harmful. But, I don't think this is the way. Puts me at odds with most of y'all but - so be it.

Last time Nazis were peacefully allowed a platform in a country millions of innocent people were murdered en masse.

 

[Laevateinn]

Fuck nazis. Punch them all.

 

[Brock Reiher]

Extremely unlikely, but I can see a group of teenagers slapping a Nazi sticker on their least likable friend in their group who is unaware about it. If such an unlikely case does happen, the best way is to ask the kid if they are aware of they are wearing and what it represents.

Has this happened to you?

I can't see this happening in a million years. It's like stopping to wonder if the swastika theyre wearing is a factory misprint of a different logo and they haven't done laundry in a while so they had to wear that shirt.

 

[KojiKnight]

I gotta say, that is a solid-ass hit to the jaw.

But this slope can be slippery as hell. I mean, if this guy was being an asshole and harassing other people, I can see him just asking to get confronted and smacked down, like this video. Though if it's just two groups disagreeing and one side is looking to start some violence when there could be conversation, and there's a mob mentality of violence, that gets more murky.

Curious to see how this all plays out, in the media and legally, since there's video evidence of how this played out.

Police showed up, found an unconscious man with a nazi armband. After making sure he was up and moving, he took it off and refused to talk about the incident. No one else reported anything. Case closed.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

What a right hook. With that gray sweater brother looked like Luke Cage delivering street justice. Gawd damn.

 

[Risible]

An acquaintance of mine took a punch like that one and it messed up his speech. He was never the same again. One punch like that.

Exactly what I was saying earlier. A punch like that, delivered where you can fall down to concrete, could do massive damage up to and including killing someone. It's like that cop leg sweeping the poor drunk guy to the concrete, so fucking dangerous.

I'm all for shitlords getting theirs, but this championing of excessive violence isn't going to lead anywhere good. Putting on an Nazi armband, talking shit and being a total fucking cunt still doesn't mean you should be laid out in that manner and people shouldn't be celebrating it as the norm for these cases.

 

[Impeccable]

All these "middle men" not realizing the media nor the alt-right will use this as a hill to fight on because he has a literal swastika on his arm and from what I have seen, the internet tactics of all these cunts is they like to play dumb and pretend they are doing nothing wrong. That is their "subtle" game.

No one will latch onto this LITERAL Nazi as a "moment".

So the fact some of you are... yeesh!

 

[Puck Beaverton]

would make for an awesome comedy skit

 

[Brock Reiher]

Thank you for including the "yeah"

 

[Morrigan Stark]

What if someone kidnapped Barack Obama and forced him to dress up as a Nazi or else a bus full of children would be blown up if it goes below 55mph? How would you feel? It's something to think about.

lmao

 

[Massicot]

Putting on an Nazi armband, talking shit and being a total fucking cunt still doesn't mean you should be laid out in that manner.

I'll agree to vehemently disagree with you

 

[Nokterian]

Two things.

Neo Nazi's are a threat to society and every single human everywhere, they will kill you no matter what it happend 70 years ago and this should not happen ever again, that's why your anti fascist by default. There are no both sides at all..

 

[Yoshimitsu126]

this is about as much sense as that "but what if it was a child's dying wish was to say the n-word then is it ok" post

Has this happened to you?

I can't see this happening in a million years. It's like stopping to wonder if the swastika theyre wearing is a factory misprint of a different logo and they haven't done laundry in a while so they had to wear that shirt.

No it hasn't, but kids can be asshole. My scenario is extremely unlikely. Sorry about that.

 

[TheRealCanadianBros.]

Would you be dancing in the streets about a "Nazi's" house being burned down? How about with him in it? I'm just wondering where we draw the line as far as celebrating violence.

Why is Nazi in quotes here?

 

[jfkgoblue]

All these "middle men" not realizing the media nor the alt-right will use this as a hill to fight on because he has a literal swastika on his arm and from what I have seen, the internet tactics of all these cunts is they like to play dumb and pretend they are doing nothing wrong. That is their "subtle" game.

No one will latch onto this LITERAL Nazi as a "moment".

So the fact some of you are... yeesh!

They can easily distance themselves from the dude that got punched while saying that the antifa are inherently violent.

 

[Lunarwhale]

No love lost for Nazi's, but not sure I like punching some dude just for talking shit. Was he an immediate threat to anyone?

what does "immediate threat" even mean to some of you

He's a fucking Nazi. He's aligning himself with a group known for genocide. You can't even pull some "well they're a NEO nazi so it's different!" mental gymnastics bullshit here to muddy the conversation - that's the 1940's Nazi Germany swastika on this guy's arm. The Nazis always have been and always will be an immediate threat, and they need to be shut down.

 

[themagicalkitsune]

Goodnight, white pride.

 

[Impeccable]

They can easily distance themselves from the dude that got punched while saying that the antifa are inherently violent.

Let them claim a Nazi. They aren't that stupid.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Two things.

Neo Nazi's are a threat to society and every single human everywhere, they will kill you no matter what it happend 70 years ago and this should not happen ever again, that's why your anti fascist by default. There are no both sides at all..

Holy hell saving that first one. It's perfect.

 

[13ruce]

Lol wtf😂
That's one of the worst what if arguments i have ever seen honestly.

 

[TheRealCanadianBros.]

I remember as a kid everyone talked about "what would you do if you could go back in time and stop Hitler?"

No one made the stupid rationalizations and excuses everyone makes in 2017 about how to treat Nazis.

I guess being a Nazi back then wasn't as normalized/accepted as it is today.