You could easily argue that ... And that it wore it for the express purpose of racially intimidating people. But, that argument goes away if he was sought out -- meaning, if you came across him and it so enraged you that you lashed out, you have an argument. If you saw a post on Twitter and premeditated an attack, you couldn't use that defense.
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Armband-wearing Nazi roams Seattle instigating, gets KOed, removes armband and leaves
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You could easily argue that ... And that it wore it for the express purpose of racially intimidating people. But, that argument goes away if he was sought out -- meaning, if you came across him and it so enraged you that you lashed out, you have an argument. If you saw a post on Twitter and premeditated an attack, you couldn't use that defense.
Why can't this be done without violence?
A big part of their modern strategy is to look more like normal people so they can come out of the shadows and talk about #stopwhitegenocide in suits so moderate, white Republicans will be like "huh, maybe these guys aren't so bad."
Like, that's Richard Spencer's entire reason for existing. That's the point behind the GQ spot.
You're not going to change these perspectives. Absolutely zero part of our "how to deal with white supremacy" strategy should involve "changing perspectives."
Dubbedinenglish
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When order is worth more than minority lives....
Zap Rowsdower
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Haven't you heard? Daryl Davis is the new Pokemon for the white American fencesitter too afraid to call out their racist family members.
plagiarize
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I'm a minority, albeit one that Neo Nazi's specifically would have zero problem with.
But so fucking what?
If you watch this video and empathize more with the person being punched, than with the person throwing the punch, (which I don't presume you do...) then you should absolutely question why that is.
Crossing Eden
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I'm talking morally, because our justice system is quite shitty. You cannot run a society where hate symbols like nazi armbands are legal.
newdayrocks
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"Come closer ... not that close!"
"It's your fault, minorities! You should have been openly hugging the guy who wants you dead!"
The Broken Ska Record
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Someone dropped Ghandi earlier in the thread, so why not?
BuggyDClown
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This.
Messofanego
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Temeculan3000
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Usually the threat needs to be immediate, or a specific threat.
Since Nazi's of today promote genocide in a "someday in the future we'd like a little genocide" kinda way their speech is protected. If they said "We will start committing genocide next Thursday!" that would not be protected.
It's really kind of dumb, I think the truth is people don't take the threat seriously.
GeordieMark
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How many Nazis have you punched?
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Because they are Nazis.
Username1198
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Because the top people in charge are nazis? Jeff sessions is for sure.
And go ask the nazis. they are he ones who killed that poor women in Charlottesville. They are the ones using violence.
Raven117
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Could not agree more. I generally agree with your post.
Was he not left crying in a hotel room afterwards? I believe he was pepper sprayed earlier in the day, but violence against him did not have him crying.
Skellig Gra
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Assaulting anyone not out of self defense is a crime. There is a difference between legality and morality.
ebullientprism
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I love how this story got weaponized.
If you are a minority, technically its your fault that Nazis exist. You could be out converting them right now instead of being on GAF.
So what are you doing to accomplish this?
Chezzymann
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Should it be okay to punch trump supporters though
Palette Swap
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Proof Darryl Davis does as much harm as good: this very thread.
Feel free to go convert Nazis, guys.
Feel free to go convert Nazis, guys.
innervision961
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It's better than starting a world war and killing millions, punch the asshats I say. And in any case, if this nazi was getting in people's faces and shit this was going to happen regardless of twitter.
Zap Rowsdower
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They won't, they'll just keep admonishing minorities for not accepting people that want them dead with open arms.
I'm sure people get beat up worse for less. Can't say I'm worried about the optics too much.
FPS Doug's asshole American cousin.
FPS Doug's asshole American cousin.
If there was a rally where I lived I would take similar peaceful protest action I used to fight WestBoro Baptist Church after finding out violence only emboldened them.
The_Darkest_Red
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Hah, you're delusional.
Raven117
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Morally, then Im right here with you. No question about it.
We can have a discussion of whether hate symbols by private citizens should or shouldn't be allowed in light of the First Amendment, but lets not as we wont get anywhere.
On another note, generally, I don't think our justice system as a workable whole is shitty at all. GENERALLY, being the key word. This does encompass civil matters. Generally, we have a really good justice system. We have issues with criminal justice and the disproportionate impact it has on people of color.
Spiritreaver
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So basically, you don't do anything?
If this is a jab at me. I actually haven't condoned anything in this thread. I have debated and argued with alt-righters myself in various places, online and offline.
Because there are people under actual threat
of violence, we have a system that is more willing to be forgiving of violent racists than those who need defending, and people of color are killed every fucking day by someone holding racist views like these people, whether they are open about it or not.
The punch seemed to work pretty well as a deterrent. Dude took off his armband and went home. How many times do you think that's gonna happen before he stops? I bet it only took the one tbh
Messofanego
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You gonna take that bluff each time a Nazi is up in your face threatening violence that he's not all that successful? Good luck.
Don't forget this KKK dude who left off a shot at a rally.
Subpar Spatula
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Are there any studies about radical ideologies and leaving that mindset? It's weird how people believe they can't be helped.
LucidMomentum
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If you are a minority, technically its your fault that Nazis exist. You could be out converting them right now instead of being on GAF.
I mean technically, the Nazis themselves would argue that if minorities didn't exist, they wouldn't have to be Nazis.
So Minorities just can't catch a break.
You gonna take that bluff each time a Nazi is up in your face threatening violence that he's not all that successful? Good luck.
Don't forget this KKK dude who left off a shot at a rally.
I mean, I'm sure a fair amount of them are doing it for the lulz or because their family indoctrinated them, but let's be honest.
If it was like "oh I believe in flat earth theory" I'd be more willing to try and help someone than if they're like "I want to make sure there's no other races in the world than whites."
There's a clear difference in how "wrong" an ideology can be and at some point I kind of stop caring about tact when the other guys would rather I not exist.
That last tweet is delightful. Everyone took stock of a Nazi getting punched out, and moved on. All is well.
I have a hard time finding sympathy for Nazis, particularly ones that flaunt it in public, and especially for those who do so while harassing random people in public. There's free speech, and there's "we want to kill all of you and are working to make it so". Don't act shocked when people literally fight back against it.
alexthekid
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AFA punching Nazis, whats new?
Dont feel sorry about the guy at all. The only thing that disturbs me is the Twitter usage. It always scares me for some reason. Twitter related violence seems made for misunderstandings and unfortunate situations. (Apparently not in this case though).
Dont feel sorry about the guy at all. The only thing that disturbs me is the Twitter usage. It always scares me for some reason. Twitter related violence seems made for misunderstandings and unfortunate situations. (Apparently not in this case though).
Crossing Eden
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You expect moderates using people like MLK and Daryl Davis like yugioh trap cards to actually do anything besides police how minorities should react to things?
Everyone, please... quote the above post until all the Moral High Ground Police leave.
So bupkis?
Did boogie get a new account?
kingkaiser
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The only thing this Nazi asshole will learn of this is to carry pepper spray or something even more dangerous the next time he's going to harass people on the street.
Never underestimate the spiral of violence.
Projecting either themselves, their loved ones, or their friends on the receiving end of that reality punch.
ramoisdead
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You really believe the other side, armed to the teeth with assault rifles and wearing military gear, are all of a sudden going to want a hug from you and a sitdown chat about not agreeing to their idealogy?
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