Morrigan Stark
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Armband-wearing Nazi roams Seattle instigating, gets KOed, removes armband and leaves
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Please, you're not going to solve anything. But the idea that these guys just can't be reached is wrong, too. Programs to reach at-risk Muslims in the UK to stop them from being radicalized have been successful, too. You can reach some people.
But extrajudicial violence is no answer, and it leads to far greater problems in the future.
Zap Rowsdower
Banned
A woman was murdered, multiple people were injured, and a black man was nearly lynched due to dipshits just like that guy.
Get out of here calling me the delusional one.
You can't blame a guy for trying something new! Fascism is an uncomfortable pair of shoes that he will probably cast off when he sees they don't fit!
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Y'all would have killed poor Edward Furlong huh?
??? Why were peaceful protests not effective against WestBoro then? I must be totally mistaken if it was all bupkis.
Bobby Roberts
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Here in Portland a belligerent white supremacist riding public transit and accosting minorities killed two men and seriously injured a third.
People keep defaulting to the notion all these guys wanna do is yell ineffectively
They want more than that.
Like, how many times they gotta show you as much before you start to come around to the idea that stopping them from getting to do that is a good thing.
People keep defaulting to the notion all these guys wanna do is yell ineffectively
They want more than that.
Like, how many times they gotta show you as much before you start to come around to the idea that stopping them from getting to do that is a good thing.
What more proof do we need that punching works lmao.
OG Shaka Zulu
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There should be a term called SlimySnakes' Law. The longer an online discussion goes on the higher the chances that Negro rebellion will be invoked. Lmao I can't even...
I don't see how he's become a "revered figure". If he's getting people to stop being white supremacists, good for him. Keep it up.
But nobody's obligated to put themselves on the line to do what he's doing. As long as people do their part to fight back against this ideology in whatever way they can, that's enough. As I said earlier in this thread, I've got no problem with what happened here.
It takes all kinds.
Hate speech is a carved out exception to free speech and inflammatory symbols certainly count as speech. It's foreseeable that if you walk around with provocative symbols of hate on your body and add words of provocation to those symbols, somebody will be provoked into action (dare I say, he was asking for it).
mullet2000
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I was speaking about morality.
GeordieMark
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Ha ha. You must have known someone would ask the question when you wrote that post.
Its irrelevant what I do. I'm not American and I've not come across a Nazi in as long as I remember. I said the dude deserved to get punched earlier. He did. You should know that you can't call out people not putting their words into action in a thread like this without knowing that also applies to the Nazi punching advocates.
Citation needed on that last part, my friend. Also, that false equivalence between "at-risk Muslims" and armband wearing Nazis screaming and harassing people on the streets... lmao wtf.
I don't think it is likely, no. Now please tell me why it is impossible.
Gotdatmoney
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I don't understamd what people are arguing against? That people are happy a Nazi got punched? You find it weird people don't have sympathy that a dude wearing a swastika got clocked?
Like a crime was obviously committed and the dude who threw the punch is guilty of assault. And if they find him and he gets charged those are the consequences of his actions.
But if you're literally trying to appeal to the morality of punching a Nazi I really find that confusing because no one needs to feel sorry for him. I don't. Because that symbol is meant to provoke people and you cant cry when it doesn't work how you want it to.
Like a crime was obviously committed and the dude who threw the punch is guilty of assault. And if they find him and he gets charged those are the consequences of his actions.
But if you're literally trying to appeal to the morality of punching a Nazi I really find that confusing because no one needs to feel sorry for him. I don't. Because that symbol is meant to provoke people and you cant cry when it doesn't work how you want it to.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
It'll certainly change his dress code.
They protected black and Jewish preachers in Charlottesville from Nazis. When the police fell back to allow the Nazis free game.
Many a preacher was thankful to them.
(Responded to the wrong person, I mend it against the guy that said "Fuck antifa..". Without Antifa Charlottesvile would have been a lot worse.).
Messofanego
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Maybe don't drop isolated incidents of some black person like Darryl Davis who spent three decades trying to make KKK into not hating him, collecting their uniforms as memorabilia, and claiming he took down their Maryland chapter when it turns out that he was wrong and one of those people from the Maryland chapter did this recently.
No one is saying there's absolutely no way they can't be deprogrammed. You can only convert these Nazis if they're willing to change, though.
Skellig Gra
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Ok well we are on the same page then.
HiredN00bs
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Made him take off his armband, thereby removing his Nazi ideology.
ramoisdead
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It's like people don't see this.
Why do you need a rally for this? Just go out and do it if you care so much and believe it works.
I'm sure you can find a group close to you thanks to the internet.
Pegasus Actual
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God no.
The question was about nazis and white supremacists, was it not?
Your answer was " I would if there was a rally near by." That is not you doing something about nazis. So like I wrote, "bupkis".
Kill Your Masters
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While not impossible, history statistically says it is quite improbable.
Why not exactly? Works quite well over here.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Christopher Cantwell is currently facing felony assault charges and was denied bond as of August 31st. What "justice" can vigilantism deliver to him that the current system isn't already delivering?
http://www.portlandmercury.com/blog...te-crime-murders-is-a-known-white-supremacist
Sure, sure... "delusional"
broncobuster
Banned
What a clean punch. Solid rotation.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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I'm sure it was just some youtube guy trying to prank others for the lulz, right guys?
Crossing Eden
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Generalpsyduck
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They literally want to exterminate anyone who is not white I don't see why people think we can work with them to make them better people.
I was only trying to speak from my personal anecdotal experience actively fighting hate groups. I've never had to fight nazis in real life through speech or violence. The situation has never come up. I suppose I actively oppose them with my political positions on a daily basis. What about you?
SlimySnake
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These two posts are ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous and why we cannot have civil fucking discourse on this board anymore. I speak up against violence and point out the logical fallacy in asking minorities to take up arms against white supremacists and I am called a racist afraid of a black rebellion. The kind of mental hoops you have to take to get there is astonishing.
On the contrary. I am glad people who are NOT minorities are upset about discrimination against minorities. Be it against people of color, creed or sexual orientation. What I was pointing out was that as a minority and as a person whose close circle is just simply more minorities, we NEVER talk about violence like this. Self defense, sure. But going out and punching nazis and other racists we deal with on a daily basis? Never. I just wanted to know if i have been living in my own bubble where we dont just go out looking for trouble.
I guess so.
30 years from now there are going to be a lot of current day fence sitting moderates who will lie to their Grand kids about how they stood up against a modern day resurgence of Nazis and fascism. Better hope they don't know your internet handles because they'll see how you did nothing except excuse it.
Someone reached him alright.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
The current system allowed for the Crying Nazi's ideology to exist to begin with. Why are you so adamant about protecting something that obviously doesn't work?
Also don't humanize that piece of garbage with a name. He's forever the Crying Nazi.
Fuck you, that's not at all what I'm in implying. Minorities are under no obligation to fix the problems that they had no place in creating. I would never suggest it even home at that. That was directly in response to the total dehumanization of someone saying they can't be saved and so should basically be attacked.
Why do you have such a problem with the fact that these people can be broken of their racist ideology? I see constant push back that these people can be helped.
Listen, you walk around with a Nazi armband, you're going to get punched at some point ... The issue I have is groups organizing to commit violence. There are better ways to intervene. Maybe they'll work, maybe they won't ... But the nonviolent attempt should always come first.
A Nazi stabbed and killed a black college student here in Maryland just around graduation time this past May.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/2...t-charged-with-murder-in-deadly-stabbing.html
Count Dookkake
Member
But the rest of us retweeted, so we're ok.
it's okay man they uh like late night shows and call the president a cheeto a lot
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
He wore his hate speech instead of speaking it. What's the difference?
Spiritreaver
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"It's irrelevant what I do.", says it all really.
I'm not even advocating or suggesting people use violence against anyone. I'm saying people should be doing their part if they surely are strongly against fascist rhetoric and ideologies. I wholeheartedly can, and will call people out for not doing anything. I don't care if people are okay or not okay with violence, but they should be doing something if they are against it.
I'm one of those minorities with a life at risk. I don't see why we're debating if we're on the same side here.
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