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[reKon]

The frustrating thing about this is that people are already judging exactly how it will or won’t work even though almost nobody has seen it working for themselves, and nobody except Apple employees has a face registered.


I do agree it seems like it’ll be more frictional (if that’s a term) than TouchID but perhaps it’ll be fine. Perhaps we'll adapt.

I think giving the user choice is always better, especially if both choices work really well. But then again, Apple typically doesn't like to deal with redundancy and some of the design challenges may not have been worth it to them.

 

[The Futurist]

The frustrating thing about this is that people are already judging exactly how it will or won't work even though almost nobody has seen it working for themselves, and nobody except Apple employees has a face registered.


I do agree it seems like it'll be more frictional (if that's a term) than TouchID but perhaps it'll be fine. Perhaps we'll adapt.

I really really hope that we as a society are not at the point where we are willing to change to worse solutions simple because that's what we are being given.

I also really hope that touch id makes its way into the screens in the near future and that Apple goes back on this shitty solution.

It asks more from your when your phone is at your desk or pointed away from you, but I think it asks less of you when you're actually holding your phone (getting it out of the pocket etc. It unlocks without you having to do anything in that case.

That's true, but I would argue that it's a lot easier to put a finger or thumb on a device that you are already holding than to ask the user to pick up the device when you didn't need to before.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Is there absolutely no option on ios to just not have a locked screen like android?

 

[Guess Who]

Is there absolutely no option on ios to just not have a locked screen like android?

There is, but you really, really, really shouldn't do this.

 

[mrklaw]

I really really hope that we as a society are not at the point where we are willing to change to worse solutions simple because that's what we are being given.

I also really hope that touch id makes its way into the screens in the near future and that Apple goes back on this shitty solution.



That's true, but I would argue that it's a lot easier to put a finger or thumb on a device that you are already holding than to ask the user to pick up the device when you didn't need to before.

I really hope we live in a society where people don’t make knee jerk reactions based on limited information and are willing to wait to hear more about it or even try it for themselves.

 

[dc89]

Not a fan but the wallet style case is very popular - I see it everywhere

My mum uses a folio and when I see it I think theres nothing more mumsy :lol

 

[Hattori]

Why do we need to unlock our phones to see notifications? I can glance, 3D Touch, look at widgets without touching the home button. And from the looks of it, it can read your face at an angle so the desk excuse is a bit overblown. As far as it not reading against the sun, is it so hard to use your pin in that single instance the sun gets in the way of you being able to text or some other "important" thing you have to do?

 

[Kyoufu]

One of the better hands on videos of the iPhone X that went under the radar:
https://www.facebook.com/RichOnTech/videos/1848473108503733/

FaceID looks really fast and the more I see the "Silver" model the more I want it over Space Grey. That stainless steel band looks really good.

Is it November yet? I can't deal with my Xperia Z2 anymore.

 

[Zeyphersan]

I really really hope that we as a society are not at the point where we are willing to change to worse solutions simple because that's what we are being given.

I also really hope that touch id makes its way into the screens in the near future and that Apple goes back on this shitty solution.



That's true, but I would argue that it's a lot easier to put a finger or thumb on a device that you are already holding than to ask the user to pick up the device when you didn't need to before.

This is some tasty, tasty overreaction. That’s a lot of certain words for someone who has used this phone for exactly zero minutes and zero seconds

 

[DJ88]

I really really hope that we as a society are not at the point where we are willing to change to worse solutions simple because that's what we are being given.

I also really hope that touch id makes its way into the screens in the near future and that Apple goes back on this shitty solution.



That's true, but I would argue that it's a lot easier to put a finger or thumb on a device that you are already holding than to ask the user to pick up the device when you didn't need to before.

First of all, they're never going back to Touch ID.

Second, your point is meaningless because nobody knows if it will be shitty or worse than Touch ID. The tiny bit of extra effort on having to pick up the phone in a few specific cases, or extra fraction of a second required to glance at your phone before holding it to a reader, might not matter.

The returns you get for those tiny amounts of added inconvenience, could be worth it. Like better security, sweaty/wet fingers or gloves not being a problem.

 

[MThanded]

Is there absolutely no option on ios to just not have a locked screen like android?

Yeah its 2017. You should have some authentication on your phone if possible.

 

[badcrumble]

I think it’s pretty easy to agree that FaceID solves some TouchID edge cases that don’t work, and FaceID also likely introduces some new edge cases that TouchID is fine for. It’ll be annoying because we’ve gotten used to TouchID, but this is more more reason why (IMO) multiple biometrics is the best solution going forward.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Yeah its 2017. You should have some authentication on your phone if possible.

Yeah, was just curious on case people don't like the face id. I also feel like it's a pretty serious issue while driving. People shouldn't be trying to hold their phone to scan their face while driving. It really is a lot worse than a quick unlock with the phone on a car stand for navigation/music.

I didn't particularly like the face id on the note7 and I don't really like windows hello.

I have a feeling a lot of people are going to get the X without even realizing it doesn't have touch id.

People do just walk into stores, buy the "newest iphone" without doing any research.

 

[MThanded]

Yeah, was just curious on case people don't like the face id. I also feel like it's a pretty serious issue while driving. People shouldn't be trying to hold their phone to scan their face while driving. It really is a lot worse than a quick unlock with the phone on a car stand for navigation/music.

I didn't particularly like the face id on the note7 and I don't really like windows hello.

I have a feeling a lot of people are going to get the X without even realizing it doesn't have touch id.

People do just walk into stores, buy the "newest iphone" without doing any research.

You shouldn't be using your phone while driving. On top of that you can still use the passcode.
iOS 11 has do not disturb when it detects you are driving. This can be disabled though.

 

[ZOONAMI]

You shouldn't be using your phone while driving. On top of that you can still use the passcode.
iOS 11 has do not disturb when it detects you are driving. This can be disabled though.

Yeah, literally hundreds of millions of people do though.

This is another example of Apple telling their users what the best solution is rather than giving them an option. Much like the headphone jack.

I do think this is just a stopgap solution though and we will see fp back on iPhone 9.

 

[Fliesen]

Yeah, literally hundreds of millions of people do though.

So Apple should make it easier for people to do things they shouldn't be doing to begin with? :/

Also, if the phone's mounted pointing towards you, i could imagine faceID working much more reliably than touchID.

 

[The Futurist]

This is some tasty, tasty overreaction. That’s a lot of certain words for someone who has used this phone for exactly zero minutes and zero seconds

I really hope we live in a society where people don’t make knee jerk reactions based on limited information and are willing to wait to hear more about it or even try it for themselves.

You guys are acting like you can't extrapolate three seconds out of what you know right now.

Can you unlock the phone without physically positioning your face in front of it? Like you can right now?

You can't right? So take that a little further out.

Or does this have some amazing technology where it's always scanning your face even when you're not looking directly at it?

If it does. Sign me up.

 

[Hattori]

You guys are acting like you can't extrapolate three seconds out of what you know right now.

Can you unlock the phone without physically positioning your face in front of it? Like you can right now?

You can't right? So take that a little further out.

Or does this have some amazing technology where it's always scanning your face even when you're not looking directly at it?

If it does. Sign me up.

why do you need to unlock your phone if you're not going to be actively looking at it?

 

[Zeyphersan]

You guys are acting like you can't extrapolate three seconds out of what you know right now.

Can you unlock the phone without physically positioning your face in front of it? Like you can right now?

You can't right? So take that a little further out.

Or does this have some amazing technology where it's always scanning your face even when you're not looking directly at it?

If it does. Sign me up.

Why am I unlocking my phone if I’m not going to use it? If I’m using my phone I’m looking at it. What scenarios are we talking about here?

This isn’t me being stubborn, I actually cannot think of a recurring scenario where I need to unlock my phone, but that unlock would not be immediately followed by my looking at the screen to use the phone

 

[Oxn]

You guys are acting like you can't extrapolate three seconds out of what you know right now.

Can you unlock the phone without physically positioning your face in front of it? Like you can right now?

You can't right? So take that a little further out.

Or does this have some amazing technology where it's always scanning your face even when you're not looking directly at it?

If it does. Sign me up.

Apple is amazing thats why

 

[MThanded]

Yeah, literally hundreds of millions of people do though.

This is another example of Apple telling their users what the best solution is rather than giving them an option. Much like the headphone jack.

I do think this is just a stopgap solution though and we will see fp back on iPhone 9.

You can still use the passcode. I'd actually be all for forcing phones to not be usable if there was a way to detect that you were the driver. Honestly its pretty bad that so many people are driving down the highway focused on their phone.

You guys are acting like you can't extrapolate three seconds out of what you know right now.

Can you unlock the phone without physically positioning your face in front of it? Like you can right now?

You can't right? So take that a little further out.

Or does this have some amazing technology where it's always scanning your face even when you're not looking directly at it?

If it does. Sign me up.

You can still put the damn passcode in.

 

[Wrestlemania]

You guys are acting like you can't extrapolate three seconds out of what you know right now.

Can you unlock the phone without physically positioning your face in front of it? Like you can right now?

You can't right? So take that a little further out.

Or does this have some amazing technology where it's always scanning your face even when you're not looking directly at it?

If it does. Sign me up.

Did you watch the video they showed? It has someone in a pool with the phone horizontally outside and they unlock the phone. It's clearly going to still work in a lot of situations where you're not holding it up in front of your face. Or just use the passcode.

 

[Dreamwriter]

My problem with FaceID is, I *always* pick up my iPhone 7 with my thumb on the touch sensor pressing the "button". So it 100% of the time the phone is logged in and showing the iPhone home screen by the time I can first look at it. Even discounting the "I logged in before it was even out of my pocket", the fact that FaceID's current implementation (as shown in demos and discussed by Apple executives) requires you unlock it, see that it's unlocked, and then swipe up, is an extra step. If they had an option to automatically log you in without swiping up, I'm sure I'd be fine with it, but they don't.

I'm still buying the phone, I just wish they would actually log you in with FaceID rather than just changing a lock icon to an unlock icon.

 

[Ashhong]

Ok, that's fair.

Touch ID is not perfect, but it's really really good.

This system even from the start seems like it's going to be worse. It asks more of the user. That is a failure.

For example. Right now my phone is on my desk to my right. I constantly unlock it and check messages and see notifications without picking it up. I'm not looking directly at it and I don't have to pick it up. I don't have to give it my full attention every single time I want to see what's going on.

How far away is your phone that you are doing all of this without picking it up? You don't know the limitations of faceid. I wouldn't be surprised if you can still do this without picking it up. You don't need to give it your "Full attention", just need to look at it which you are already doing.

My problem with FaceID is, I *always* pick up the phone with my thumb on the touch sensor pressing the "button". So it 100% of the time the phone is logged in and showing the iPhone home screen by the time I can first look at it. Even discounting the "I logged in before it was even out of my pocket", the fact that FaceID's current implementation (as shown in demos and discussed by Apple executives) requires you unlock it, see that it's unlocked, and then swipe up, is an extra step. If they had an option to automatically log you in without swiping up, I'm sure I'd be fine with it, but they don't.

You can swipe up at any time and it will open the phone as soon as your face registers. It should add .5 seconds to your phone unlocking time.

 

[Dreamwriter]

You can swipe up at any time and it will open the phone as soon as your face registers. It should add .5 seconds to your phone unlocking time.

Can you provide a video/quote of this? I haven't read that it queues up the swipe, if so then that's at least a little better (although half a second is quite a long time compared to "zero seconds" )

 

[Oxn]

How far away is your phone that you are doing all of this without picking it up? You don't know the limitations of faceid. I wouldn't be surprised if you can still do this without picking it up. You don't need to give it your "Full attention", just need to look at it which you are already doing.



You can swipe up at any time and it will open the phone as soon as your face registers. It should add .5 seconds to your phone unlocking time.

Thats the issue. It shouldnt be adding anything additional time no matter how minuscule it is. Its suppose to be better, not worst.

Its a whole lot of excuses, 1/10th of a second 1/100th of a second.

 

[DOWN]

But do we all agree the biggest thrill of Face ID is that when you “Hey Siri” to open an app or google something, you don’t have to have your hand on the button or else she’ll stop and say “You have to unlock your iPhone first”?

The thrill of her just knowing to be unlocked and not worrying about the button in the moment is a nice slip up to skip over

 

[Ashhong]

Can you provide a video/quote of this? I haven't read that it queues up the swipe, if so then that's at least a little better (although half a second is quite a long time compared to "zero seconds" )

I don't have a video, just seen posters in here mention it.

Thats the issue. It shouldnt be adding anything additional time no matter how minuscule it is. Its suppose to be better, not worst.

Its a whole lot of excuses, 1/10th of a second 1/100th of a second.

TouchID works so fast on my 6S that I can't even turn it on using the home button without it entering the phone. So to me, faceID is better, not worse.

And it's not an issue. It's a change. Issue implies that it actually causes some kind of a problem. Let's be real here, the added time, if there is any at all since I was just making that number up, is not a problem.

But do we all agree the biggest thrill of Face ID is that when you “Hey Siri” to open an app or google something, you don’t have to have your hand on the button or else she’ll stop and say “You have to unlock your iPhone first”?

The thrill of her just knowing to be unlocked and not worrying about the button in the moment is a nice slip up to skip over

I just figured out what's coming next.

VoiceID

 

[Zeyphersan]

Can you provide a video/quote of this? I haven't read that it queues up the swipe, if so then that's at least a little better (although half a second is quite a long time compared to "zero seconds" )

I don't have a video, just seen posters in here mention it.

I believe Craig Federighi says that in the newest episode of The Talk Show

 

[dc89]

@gruber
Apple’s 2-meter USB-C to USB-C cable is $19. Their 2-meter USB-C to Lightning cable is $35. This makes sense how?

Bit naughty that.

 

[Ashhong]

@gruber
Apple’s 2-meter USB-C to USB-C cable is $19. Their 2-meter USB-C to Lightning cable is $35. This makes sense how?

Bit naughty that.

What the fuck am I gonna do with a USB C to USB C cable??

 

[Moreche]

I love the new gesture that replaces the home button and I am really looking forward to this phone, I just wish they hadn't picked polished steel.

 

[Fliesen]

What the fuck am I gonna do with a USB C to USB C cable??

charge your macbook

 

[Kyoufu]

What the fuck am I gonna do with a USB C to USB C cable??

It makes me sad that iPhone X doesn't have USB C. Truly sad.

 

[dallow_bg]

It makes me sad that iPhone X doesn't have USB C. Truly sad.

iPhone of the future.

 

[mrkgoo]

@gruber
Apple's 2-meter USB-C to USB-C cable is $19. Their 2-meter USB-C to Lightning cable is $35. This makes sense how?

Bit naughty that.

I'm going to admit as the diehard apple fanboy that I am, the lightning cables are a ripoff. Not that they're especially fragile or anything, they're just very expensive., the 2m cable especially so.

Like, the 1m lightning cable costs NZ$29 here. The 2m costs nearly double that. Ok, so more cable. But then the 0.5m cable costs the same as the 1m.

 

[LumpOfCole]

It makes me sad that iPhone X doesn't have USB C. Truly sad.

Eventually it'll all be wireless and there won't even be a lightning port on the iPhone, and that will be the next big controversy. Maybe not next year, maybe not even the year after that, but eventually and probably sooner than later.

 

[Fliesen]

I'm going to admit as the diehard apple fanboy that I am, the lightning cables are a ripoff. Not that they're especially fragile or anything, they're just very expensive., the 2m cable especially so.

Like, the 1m lightning cable costs NZ$29 here. The 2m costs nearly double that. Ok, so more cable. But then the 0.5m cable costs the same as the 1m.

weirdly enough, the last time i tried to purchase a (generic) USB-C cable i recall it being much more expensive than an equally generic USB->Lightning cable.

So, unless you're buying Apple brand cables, you should be fine?

 

[pottymouth]

TouchID works so fast on my 6S that I can't even turn it on using the home button without it entering the phone. So to me, faceID is better, not worse.

Raise to wake should have helped with TouchID being too fast.

 

[mrklaw]

Can you provide a video/quote of this? I haven't read that it queues up the swipe, if so then that's at least a little better (although half a second is quite a long time compared to "zero seconds" )

Craig Federighi said it in an interview with TechCrunch. It can unlock as you’re swiping.

My problem with FaceID is, I *always* pick up my iPhone 7 with my thumb on the touch sensor pressing the "button". So it 100% of the time the phone is logged in and showing the iPhone home screen by the time I can first look at it. Even discounting the "I logged in before it was even out of my pocket", the fact that FaceID's current implementation (as shown in demos and discussed by Apple executives) requires you unlock it, see that it's unlocked, and then swipe up, is an extra step. If they had an option to automatically log you in without swiping up, I'm sure I'd be fine with it, but they don't.

I'm still buying the phone, I just wish they would actually log you in with FaceID rather than just changing a lock icon to an unlock icon.

Isn’t the default in iOS that you use your thumb to unlock, but have to press the button to open to the home screen?

Maybe that is the same on the X? Default is face to unlock and swipe to the home screen, but maybe there is an option for the face to unlock and go straight to the home screen

So far we've not seen anything other than basic unlocking in a noisy, crowded demo area. The detailed ins and outs of daily use are still to be figured out

 

[BlastProcessing]

It makes me sad that iPhone X doesn't have USB C. Truly sad.

I would have agreed with you before I got a phone that used USB C. The USB C port on the Nexus 5X I had was pretty crummy. The design of the springs that hold the plug in the port seems lacking. After about 6 months it stopped reliably holding the plug in the port. I had multiple occasions where I had a dead phone in the morning because the phone got jostled and the plug stopped making enough contact to charge.

If I can help it, I never want another phone with USB C.

 

[XMonkey]

Why am I unlocking my phone if I’m not going to use it? If I’m using my phone I’m looking at it. What scenarios are we talking about here?

This isn’t me being stubborn, I actually cannot think of a recurring scenario where I need to unlock my phone, but that unlock would not be immediately followed by my looking at the screen to use the phone

Driving in a car and your passenger needs to unlock your phone for navigation, text reply, etc, because you shouldn't be doing it yourself. I have to do it fairly often. With FaceID I'd prefer not to have to take my eyes off the road, assuming FaceID plays nice with my sunglasses.

Could I give them my passcode? Sure, but I don't always want to be giving my passcode out to people. To me the passcode is there as a secure backup and the less people who know it the better.

 

[Bob Dobalina]

Can you provide a video/quote of this? I haven't read that it queues up the swipe, if so then that's at least a little better (although half a second is quite a long time compared to "zero seconds" )

I can confirm that you can swipe at any time but you do have to look at the phone and have it pointed at your face for it to unlock - leaving it on a table won't work unless you physically move your head above it or pick it up and angle it towards your face.

 

[dallow_bg]

I would have agreed with you before I got a phone that used USB C. The USB C port on the Nexus 5X I had was pretty crummy. The design of the springs that hold the plug in the port seems lacking. After about 6 months it stopped reliably holding the plug in the port. I had multiple occasions where I had a dead phone in the morning because the phone got jostled and the plug stopped making enough contact to charge.

If I can help it, I never want another phone with USB C.

Apple and oranges? (no pun intended)
Sounds like bad build quality.

 

[mrkgoo]

Driving in a car and your passenger needs to unlock your phone for navigation, text reply, etc, because you shouldn't be doing it yourself. I have to do it fairly often. With FaceID I'd prefer not to have to take my eyes off the road, assuming FaceID plays nice with my sunglasses.

Could I give them my passcode? Sure, but I don't always want to be giving my passcode out to people. To me the passcode is there as a secure backup and the less people who know it the better.

There are so many reasons and situations where face ID won't work but coming up with those more fringe scenarios is kind of silly.

People will find their workaround. Even if the workaround is a little more inconvenient, Apple is betting on the average person being more forgiving than us nerds give credit for.

I've heard tons of stories throughout the history of iPhone, whereby people cry foul of some change, citing some situation, common or not, and when the time comes 90% of users just change their habits without any complaint.

 

[Fhtagn]

I believe it did fail to unlock twice when he was looking into the phone, before it presented the "please enter the passcode" message. So either it did fail, or his face wasn't registered on that phone.

This was a mistake of preparation for the demo; the iPhone actually worked exactly as designed.

Just like TouchID, if someone not authorized tries to unlock the phone a few times, the phone locks to passcode only. This happened to the iPhone X when the presentation people polished Craig’s phone just before the event. They looked at it, it tried to authenticate, then it locked itself to passcode only.

Would have been funny if it had happened to both phones and he’d had to put in a passcode first.

 

[SoulUnison]

Wait, what's the reasoning that 4K and 1080p can record at 60FPS, but 720p is 30FPS only?

 

[robotrock]

Wait, what's the reasoning that 4K and 1080p can record at 60FPS, but 720p is 30FPS only?

Where are you getting this from?

 

[The Faceless Master]

Driving in a car and your passenger needs to unlock your phone for navigation, text reply, etc, because you shouldn't be doing it yourself. I have to do it fairly often. With FaceID I'd prefer not to have to take my eyes off the road, assuming FaceID plays nice with my sunglasses.

Could I give them my passcode? Sure, but I don't always want to be giving my passcode out to people. To me the passcode is there as a secure backup and the less people who know it the better.

the scenarios people come up with are amazing.

 

[Link]

The space gray used for the X is much more appealing to me than the space gray of my 6. Loving the darker look.