Plus1Attack
Neo Member
Blows me away how everyone is very into the idea of cross-platform play but nobody is willing to hold Sony's feet to the fire for it.
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Spencer on Fortnites XBO/PS4 Crossplay "I would have liked to see them leave it on"
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God dammit this thread went to shit fast. Jesus christ, really makes me reconsider my stance of cross-play if we can't even talk about the possibility of it without console warz.
Of course I kid, I believe most people aren't as immature. For me it doesn't matter if Phil Spencer is just doing it for his reputation since I think him continuing to shine the spotlight on cross-play helps the push for it massively, and what Phil Spencer gets out of it is irrelevant to me since by the end of the day what I care about is cross-play, not Phil Spencer.
In regards to the topic of Fortnite I'd like him to clarify what the stuff in the patch notes meant since it seemed like the ball was in Microsoft's court, but regardless of that I agree with him on wishing it would have been left on since cross-play needs to happen.
Of course I kid, I believe most people aren't as immature. For me it doesn't matter if Phil Spencer is just doing it for his reputation since I think him continuing to shine the spotlight on cross-play helps the push for it massively, and what Phil Spencer gets out of it is irrelevant to me since by the end of the day what I care about is cross-play, not Phil Spencer.
In regards to the topic of Fortnite I'd like him to clarify what the stuff in the patch notes meant since it seemed like the ball was in Microsoft's court, but regardless of that I agree with him on wishing it would have been left on since cross-play needs to happen.
Nah, I think it's entirely possible for someone to not want crossplay for non-fanboy reasons (such as never wanting system level features to not work for parts of the community).
Searching for endless flimsy excuses as to why it may not be Sony responsible (or bringing up the past as valid reasoning), is just some bullshit though.
This thread. Damn.
Yup it's bad for your health. So let's say Sony does agree to cross-play you better be satisfied. I don't want the to a single thread when Phil says "I would love to play Horizon Zero Dawn or Uncharted on my Xbox..." lol! We got to draw the line somewhere!
The only way to actually hold Sony's feet to the fire on this topic is to sell your PS4 and purchase / move your support to the Xbox One.
Until the decision to reject cross-platform play hurts Sony financially they won't feel any obligation to change.
//DEVIL//
Member
i find people who say fuck sony are really strange.
MS was more uptight than this last gen and they didnt allow either
few things people need to consider
1- when you are the underdog , you need to look good. and your userbase is shit , you dont want people to leave you for the competitor in order to find a game online fast. so you want a cross play.
2- Sony without any other network have a shitty infrastructure . without them opening any servers they are getting fucked being hacked. you can kiss your account good bye as soon as they open their shit.
I can go on really but eh.
MS was more uptight than this last gen and they didnt allow either
few things people need to consider
1- when you are the underdog , you need to look good. and your userbase is shit , you dont want people to leave you for the competitor in order to find a game online fast. so you want a cross play.
2- Sony without any other network have a shitty infrastructure . without them opening any servers they are getting fucked being hacked. you can kiss your account good bye as soon as they open their shit.
I can go on really but eh.
It's not really a battle that end-user can wage tbh. If it happens, it'll be pressure from publishers that causes it I'd imagine.
Plus1Attack
Neo Member
I was thinking more along the lines of some actual vocal outrage but sure, we could just jump to selling PS4's if you want.
CountAntonius
Member
What he is actually saying is shut up and don't talk bad about my favorite console's corporation.
Don't bother going on tbh, as it's likely to be ground that'd been covered just as well as the points you did bring up.
People did give MS shit about it last gen...
Yes, the underdog usually has to go out of their way to look good... but when those things are actually good for us, it makes more sense for us the champion that direction, rather than just slap them with a "you're only being good because you're not winning", whilst defending the topdog being shitty because "well, why wouldn't they be? they're winning". The hell sort of argument is this, and why is it so popular here?
Infrastructure isn't a valid excuse. Fortnite was already working crossplay. If shitty infrastructure was an actual obstacle here, then PS4 wouldn't be crossplay with PC either.
None of what you bring up is valid.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
It was a shitty stance last gen, it's a shitty stance this gen. What's your point? Nobody can call out Sony for having an unfavourable attitude to gaming because things are now all square or whatever?
They're not having to open PSN to allow this. Also, they allow crossplay with PC, so why would allowing the same with XBL be any more risky? Probably for the kids' safety, right?
Christocolus
Member
LOL
Sad Affleck
Member
Companies are exploiting platform loyalty and console war fanboyism all the time to further their agendas. We as gamers can do the same. We can exploit Spencer's desire to present Microsoft as the good guy to put pressure on Sony and achieve something that will be great for all of us. Once crossplay is a reality and if Microsoft ever finds itself at the top of the food chain we can exploit his current stance on the matter to make sure he doesn't flip flop. The only obstacle is people willing to put corporate agendas above their own interests.
This is not how any of this works.
Pancakes R Us
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MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Number 2 makes no sense but Number 1 is absolutely why this sudden push for cross play is happening from them and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. It's the best way to consolidate what users you do have and potentially stop you from bleeding customers. I don't blame them either, I think it's clever. I do find this comment weird though, considering PC and Xbox cross play was in but was then removed specifically at Microsoft's request.
It's not like they've not got a new CEO with entirely new upper management with a board reshuffle which prefer making technologies and concepts open and not proprietary.
For example: MS are now on the Linux board; .NET compiler open source; MSSQL runs on Linux and Open source VS built on open source tech.
That's all since Sataya has took over. See what I'm getting at?
Which is hilarious considering the devs that have explicitly stated that it's Sony's policy, the bullshit excuses by Jim Ryan and Microsoft's confirmation regarding their openness to cross platform play.
Utterly ridiculous.
Pancakes R Us
Member
Oh, I think it's an absolutely shitty policy from Sony and think the only reason they're doing it because they're so far ahead this gen that they've practically lapped Microsoft. I just think the Phil Spencer worship - albeit not in this thread - is a bit of a joke. Just like the past Reggie worship.
TwiztidElf
Member
So Sony should just give up competitive advantage to it's direct competitor? Business doesn't work like that.
No. Work on that reading comprehension - seeing the words is only half the battle.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Petitions aren't somehow legally binding.
ScaryShark
Banned
Phil has the easiest PR job in the world right now. Zero consequences to anything he says in this area.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Is that your opinion as a gamer, or a shareholder?
It's a fact.
But is it really worship that´s going on? I mean ofc he would say this but in the end this would be a win for us as consumers. So why would you be opposed to him saying this? Why would you question why he says it? When in the end it's a win for us.
Beyond that it needs to manifest as a hit on their sales. It needs to become a financially disadvantageous position for them to hold, and petitions won't do it.
When it's a feature other platforms can tout to the extent that PlayStation software/hardware sales as hampered we'll see Sony's opinion on the matter change.
What they did last gen, the previous gen etc doesn't mean anything when they're willing right now to progress gaming whilst the other id trying to block it.
Seems most would rather do PCxPS4/Xbox though, than exclude PS4, so unlikely Sony will get much pressure from that.
I think the only realistic way they reconsider is if they receive massive amounts of backlash (like Xbox One DRM levels) from all consumers, not just the more hardcore ones. I think when the Better Together Update releases for everything but PS, they'll get a lot more shit than they've receive yet for it. Doubt it'll be enough for them to change their stance (I think they will with the PS5), but who knows?
Weird read, who in this thread is "against crossplay"?
The patch notes have been edited, it's been well documented with links within the first page of this thread if you actually care.
The only fanboyism on display is people taking PR statements as gospel, how naiive do you have to be?
That's not even "blaming" ms, we literally have no idea what is preventing crossplay. I would assume both sides have requirements that the other deem unreasonable.
There is something fairly spectacular about the audacity of Microsoft trying to win a PR war over crossplay while simultaneously preventing crossplay between PC and Xbox in certain circumstances and Windows Store and Steam in others. It's a quite unreal degree of hypocrisy, though it does at least seem like people are waking up to it now after several months of dog piling on Sony.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Sure, I get that, but there's a reason, for example, they're they're reluctant to put their first party games on Steam. They have that line that they don't want to cross. It just so happens that cross platform play against Nintendo and Xbox players is Sony's, which I don't think is even going to impact them as negatively as they seem to think anyway. It's a silly stance to have as I'd argue it could potentially have a worse impact on Microsoft even though they're the ones championing it.
It wasn't vocal backlash that turned Microsoft though. It was the resulting poor pre-order numbers.
Bad PR only matters when it starts to impact profits. Corporations don't get guilted into doing the right things - they wouldn't last if they did: they see a descending line on a profitability chart and try to address it.
I keep forgetting this but it's right. Doesn't matter how much bs ms is spewing, the best chance for crossplay to happen is if Sony are pressured into it.
It's definitely extremely unlikely they change their mind even with massive amounts of backlash, it's just the only way I can see it happening now.
Any loss sales due to not allowing crossplay would be minuscule imo. People who badly want crossplay likely don't have a Xbox to vote with their wallet on this.
Look right now if you have an Xbox and you want to play with your friends on PS4 you gotta get a PS4.
If you can cross play then that's a potential lost sale.
I feel like some of you don't understand business, Sony has a duty to their shareholders. Benefiting Microsoft doesn't benefit them.
This is classic Microsoft playing the victim when they're the underdog.
If you can cross play then that's a potential lost sale.
I feel like some of you don't understand business, Sony has a duty to their shareholders. Benefiting Microsoft doesn't benefit them.
This is classic Microsoft playing the victim when they're the underdog.
Basic crossplay doesn't really let you play with friends though, it just improves player pools for matchmaking.
I wish we could get proper cross network support but for the reasons you stated that obviously isn't going to happen.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Don't you think everybody gets that?
SlipperyFishes
Banned
I guess I'll not replace my broken ass PS4 which lasted less than two years and just play cross play on PC. Shit like this is embarrassing when you talk like you're some Fortune 500 employee that understands Sony better than anyone.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
You guys should just come to PC. Not only do you still get the upcoming Xbox games, but you'll get the cross play gaming you're so desperate for with PlayStation.
It's a huge win win for you.
It's a huge win win for you.
PunishedOkabe
Member
How much stock do you have in Sony?
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