joecanada
Member
well your not wrong about that ....I never complained about ps3 price in the first place. how do you think those companies sell so many 700 dollar cell phones
" I got a free phone with my cell plan" LOL.
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I completely forgot you have to pay to play online on consoles
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well your not wrong about that ....I never complained about ps3 price in the first place. how do you think those companies sell so many 700 dollar cell phones
" I got a free phone with my cell plan" LOL.
Neuromancer
Member
I've been on either Xbox Live Gold or PS+ for over 10 years now. It really doesn't bother me. I don't do both though.
It was a good ruse since the first Xbox had simplicity and integration that was unmatched on the PC side. Getting a prompt your friend was playing a game automatically and all you had to do was press a single button (and switch discs if necessary) was very impressive and worth the cost, especially since it was the first time a console really had online games that could stand up to PC's offerings to any real degree, in an era when "gaming" level PC's were extraordinarily expensive.
prag16
Banned
Just looked briefly back at the first page and indeed there are only a handful of apologists there. But by page two the reinforcements arrived. Page 2 blew past a dozen no sweat and I stopped counting.
And all that's fine, as you said, it's all part of the discussion. Guess this is a 'both sides' issue.
Evilkazzzz
Neo Member
Does Switch have a preface in the UI telling users that online access is temporary and they'll have to pay to use online starting next year?
Because I bet a lot of people are going to be taken of guard. Even if it's a relatively cheap fee per year ($20), it's still another annual access fee on top of others you probably have.
Because I bet a lot of people are going to be taken of guard. Even if it's a relatively cheap fee per year ($20), it's still another annual access fee on top of others you probably have.
Herp Derpington
Member
This won't happen because the majority don't care to build a PC. It has nothing to do with who owns the platform. It's a niche audience and always will be. Nothing will ever change this. It's such a ridiculous suggestion/hypothetical I'm surprised people actually believe there's a chance in hell it would ever happen.
Gravy Boat
Member
It definitely is, it's just one side is notably more aggressive and condescending than the other.
This is a big reason for why I have never played multiplayer on consoles, or any subscription game after quitting WoW a decade ago. An attractive pricing model for me would be somewhere between 0.5-1 euro/hour played, capped monthly to the normal subscription price. Then you could freely play a little or a lot without having to plan your subscriptions ahead of time or feeling pressured to make use of your subscriptions.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
The question was asked of people how they managed, or justified, paying for PSN/XBL. How are the people replying to that sentiment the reinforcements and not the ones engaging with the question at hand?
Gai Murakumo
Member
I don't know I just pay for them every year, it has never bothered me. I feel I use both services enough to warrant the cost. Now should online services be charged? Probably not since on PC it is practically free.
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Phrozenflame500
Member
The only real justification I can come up with is that some of that money comes back around to bring down hardware costs some way or another.
But still, I play all my multiplayer games on PC for that reason.
But still, I play all my multiplayer games on PC for that reason.
By swallowing my pride? It is what it is and it's friggen stupid. I hate the fact that they hiked the price up as well. It's made more irritating that the choice is forced between being able to play online or buying a game (or other things) with more inherent value than + or live.
Gravy Boat
Member
Lol, did you reply to my post about one side being aggressive and condescending, with an incredibly condescending post?
I thought it was $70CAD? Still too much, mind you.
KojiKnight
Member
$5 a year as a service to easily transfer pokemon from half a dozen (and soon more) games isn't a bad deal IMO. Pokemon wasn't charging you to battle online or trade online. That's a service above and beyond what most people consider basic online features. It's pokemon cloud storage.
Mithos
Member
If it weren't for PS+, I think it wouldn't have been a reason for me to buy a PS3 or now PS4, because I'd not be able to afford to buy and play enough games to justify buying the consoles themselves.
I love that I can spend ~50-60 and then get to play 40-50 games, instead of having to pay ~1000+ for them all.
ALSO because I get to try and play games I'd never in a million years would have put my money on, that NOW might become a game I'd do spend money on when the sequel shows up.
Budgeting, mostly.
Hippopuncher12
Member
You ask how people do this when they have been doing it since like 2002 when Xbox Live launched. For me it's an "it is what it is" kind of thing. I don't really think it's expensive, and I paid for PS+ back when it wasn't a requirement on PS3 so why wouldn't I pay for it now when it is?
When young, you have all the time in the world but don't have enough money to purchase whichever game you wish to play.
When growing old(er), you have the money to buy whichever game you want but don't have enough time to play them.
My favorite genre was MMO and in particular, World of Warcraft. I loved raiding, and it was a thrilling experience. Nowadays, I'm lucky if I have an hour or two uninterrupted on the weekends.
Something to look forward to when you get older, I guess
AntraxSuicide
Banned
The main reason that I pay less than 4 bucks a month for Live is that I've got a million other things to care about that are infinitely more important. Discussions about "$4 a month to play an online video game is an outrage!!1!" are so trivial compared to real problems.
I'm sure some people are raging at this because I'm one of those customers voting for this with my wallet, but I simply don't care.
I'm sure some people are raging at this because I'm one of those customers voting for this with my wallet, but I simply don't care.
W. L. Saga
Neo Member
I never paid and won't ever pay for online play. This is the main thing holding me back from pursuing a Switch, the fear of buying games that, even if I mainly play their SP modes, they'll become crippled once the paywall goes up.
"Just don't buy multiplayer-focused games then", some might say. But what about the games that have single player modes that do spark my interest? I don't want to pay way more than the full price (no Nintendo official support here) to take half of a game home, or less in some cases.
My solution: Sell me just the single player mode of Splatoon 2 for like 20 USD on the eShop and we're talking. If games were more modular this wouldn't really be a concern to me. I'd just buy the SP modes and wouldn't give a shit about the rest since I was always more of a SP guy.
"Just don't buy multiplayer-focused games then", some might say. But what about the games that have single player modes that do spark my interest? I don't want to pay way more than the full price (no Nintendo official support here) to take half of a game home, or less in some cases.
My solution: Sell me just the single player mode of Splatoon 2 for like 20 USD on the eShop and we're talking. If games were more modular this wouldn't really be a concern to me. I'd just buy the SP modes and wouldn't give a shit about the rest since I was always more of a SP guy.
ScatheZombie
Member
How do I justify it?
I want to play online.
It costs money.
So I pay it.
That's about as deep as most people on consoles take that train. Everything else is just a perk that helps offset (often completely) the costs.
I don't sit here and think, oh, but PC is free (except on the games it isn't) why am I wasting money!?! Because that's a moot point. There's a ton of things that have cheaper/free alternatives that I couldn't give less of a shit about. I play on consoles. I also play on PC. They have different costs. That's it.
I want to play online.
It costs money.
So I pay it.
That's about as deep as most people on consoles take that train. Everything else is just a perk that helps offset (often completely) the costs.
I don't sit here and think, oh, but PC is free (except on the games it isn't) why am I wasting money!?! Because that's a moot point. There's a ton of things that have cheaper/free alternatives that I couldn't give less of a shit about. I play on consoles. I also play on PC. They have different costs. That's it.
I see very few posts saying it's a "good" thing to have, but a lot of posts saying they don't, ones who have accepted it and then those that are condescending towards those that do pay for it.
Someone quoted his bullshit before he had a chance to edit.
Unmarked spoiler to your question.......yes just like every other one of his posts
They pretty much have that with Splatoon 2 and Mario Kart 8.
Retro Edge
Member
If I'm using it daily like i use the PSN (I do) and I have fun here every day like on PSN (which I have) and it helps to keep the server up and helps Neogaf to stay alive and worker to get paid like on PSN, sure, why not?
I will also pay 50 bucks per year on letterboxd.com in the future to become a patron and help to keep this project alive. There is nothing wrong about that.
prag16
Banned
Yes, but that quote above cherry picked only one sentence from a post that among other things also asserted that some level of condescension was warranted if part of the argument is that those who pay the fees are ensuring platform holders will never do away with that policy, which actively harms those who want the online paywall to go away.
One group of consumers is engaging in a behavior that allows these companies to continue anti consumer behaviors on their end. Of course members of the other group of consumers, which refuses to put up with it, will complain from time to time.
It's not too dissimilar in principle from how those who help perpetuate the microtransaction loot box mentality are shit on around here.
lyrick
Member
What other things are you (and your peer group) into? I would like you (and them) to send me money on a reoccurring basis too.
Nintendo will not offer the same services as the others so your comparison doesn't work
Also i don't really think the others are that worried about competition in online spaces with Nintendo of all people...
Hippopuncher12
Member
No, because most big name online games aren't going to be on Switch (most likely). CoD, Battlefront, Battlefield, EA Sports, and so on.
No, because Nintendo's online isn't as advanced as theirs.
There are already EA Sports games on Switch. Fifa comes to mind.
It honestly makes me stop play games earlier than I would like. For example, when Titanfall 2 launched I bought 3 months of PS+, and had an amazing time, then took a break to play other stuff and wait for more maps/modes and such.
Now that + is expired, I have to ask myself every time I feel like playing Titanfall 2, do I feel like spending money to play it? Almost always it's no because there's something else I can play without spending money on PC.
It feels really bad. I'm just glad that Destiny 2 is launching on PC so I don't have to worry about it with that game. I realize I could also buy Titanfall 2 on PC but the population of it on PC is pretty low from what I've read, plus I already spent $60 on it when it launched.
Now that + is expired, I have to ask myself every time I feel like playing Titanfall 2, do I feel like spending money to play it? Almost always it's no because there's something else I can play without spending money on PC.
It feels really bad. I'm just glad that Destiny 2 is launching on PC so I don't have to worry about it with that game. I realize I could also buy Titanfall 2 on PC but the population of it on PC is pretty low from what I've read, plus I already spent $60 on it when it launched.
Maintenance
Member
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
You class Mass Effect Andromeda as your current game of the year, yet some would disagree and may say that by supporting it you're aiding in every trend that it exhibits that they dislike. You're effectively promoting the direction they went in, despite it – to many – having been at the detriment of the series. This could then be extended to say that you're supporting the dilution of AAA sequels and supporting devs in relying too much on the existing fanbase to sell.
This is, of course, ridiculously far reaching and I honestly don't care. You enjoy what you like. You, however, seem to see yourself as some arbiter or guardian angel of the games industry, free to tell people whether what they're doing is good or bad and whether they should or shouldn't be doing it.
Retro Edge
Member
Sorry, we (my girlfriend and me) are maxed out at the moment with 3 other patreon subscriptions (2x 5$ & 1x50$ per month), 2 FFXIV subscriptions (2x10$ a month), 1 WWE Network subscription (10$) and 1 Netflix subscription (10$) + Amazon Prime and Audible.
And to be really honest. I would rather pay for online gaming on console and have a 100% hacking and cheating free system like we have than playing on PC for free were every multiplayer game is flooded with hacker and cheater.
Fuck that.
Hippopuncher12
Member
You're right I forgot about Fifa since I don't pay attention to it. Madden was really the one I was talking about so I probably should have just said...Madden lol. It of course could come later.
Maintenance
Member
For $5 a month, I feel I get my value out of it. I get a couple rental games I can keep as long as I want, I get some discounts of stuff I want that saves me extra, and I haven't really had any problems playing online which is what I pay for.
If you don't find value in it, don't pay for it. I get that, but don't act like it's weird that people do find value in the service.
If you don't find value in it, don't pay for it. I get that, but don't act like it's weird that people do find value in the service.
Nintendo makes you use your mobile for online chat, Sony and Microsoft are probably laughing.