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[Renekton]

Note that there are lots of legitimate games on Steam about Depression and Suicide as a serious topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js1OsJZq2Vg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5mcEG10wAs

 

[Durante]

FWIW, since we are apparently doign this, here's my current "new and trending" list:

I like it. It's interesting to see the differences to other people's.
E.g. mine has "Echo Grotto" rather high up, which makes sense since I play a lot of VR games.
(I don't have any filters set up - on purpose)

Though looking at it now, I'd like a "DLC for games I don't own" filter.

Ah, but you see OP, if Valve implemented even the most basic moderation needed to stop games like "Suicide Simulator" and "ISIS Simulator" from getting to the store, then clearly it's a slippery slope to incredible games being rejected unfairly and there is absolutely nothing anyone can ever do to stop this, it's an impossible problem to solve. GAF experts told me so.

Of course you could hire people specifically to filter out some games, and try to come up with some "objective" standard of quality which doesn't filter out anything someone might actually enjoy.

The argument many of us are making is that this would be a huge waste of resources, since the totality of Steam game releases has about as much of a negative impact on my experience as the totality of Amazon book releases has on my reading experience.
Which is to say: none at all.
On the other hand, having even one game I would actually like to play mistakenly filtered out by some "vetting" process would in fact have a direct negative impact on my experience.

It's a terrible proposition all around.

For people saying this is ok because it is in the unfiltered section would it also be okay to have a game called concentration camp simulator on Steam?

That completely depends on its content.

 

[GhostTrick]

It is in the new releases tab in the front store, is not an item lost in the many tags or buried, is right there just by the side of popular new releases

People can be apologetic about ANYTHING

Now, I did what you asked and checked on Steam desktop:
Here's what I get on the front page:

If I want to see all new releases, I have to click down there, the small "Nouveauté" bouton.
Which brings me here:

And requires me to click on the "Nouveauté" tab again, next to the popular and new ones.

So not only it wasn't on the front page, but it wasn't the default one on both pages.

 

[luulubuu]

I mean, if you are worried that a minimal filtering process for games to avoid stuff like this might affect a game you might want to play maybe the problem is you?

I don't understand why people are defending this, doesnt Valve earn a part of the profit of each game and ask for a tax to upload the game directly to the service? Is like saying "We are cool with absolute human garbage if it sells"

Now, I did what you asked and checked on Steam desktop:
Here's what I get on the front page:

I did not ask you to do anything.

 

[Gravy Boat]

I mean, if you are worried that a minimal filtering process for games to avoid stuff like this might affect a game you might want to play maybe the problem is you?

I don't understand why people are defending this, doesnt Valve earn a part of the profit of each game and ask for a tax to upload the game directly to the service? Is like saying "We are cool with absolute human garbage if it sells"

I see it as a good thing that I get to decide what games I get to buy, rather than someone else deciding what games are available for me to buy. I'm never going to buy garbage like this, but I don't want someone arbitrarily deciding what games are and aren't available for me to buy. There's the potential for a game I'd enjoy to not make the cut because someone else thinks it looks bad.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

You could check Steam every day and you would never know about this game if not for this thread.

That's the whole marketing campaign for stuff like this. Make something ridiculous and hope the shock value carries it to the right outlets

 

[Durante]

I mean, if you are worried that a minimal filtering process for games to avoid stuff like this might affect a game you might want to play maybe the problem is you?

No, I'm quite certain that the problem is not me.

I see it as a good thing that I get to decide what games I get to buy, rather than someone else deciding what games are available for me to buy. I'm never going to buy garbage like this, but I don't want someone arbitrarily deciding what games are and aren't available for me to buy.

It's really that simple.

 

[TheTrain]

This is mine:

I like it, i've searched for the shit that you have on the homepage but it's not showing up for me in any of the tab available

 

[chippie]

The same tab showed me this cool looking vineyard simulator!

http://store.steampowered.com/app/559910/Terroir/

 

[hotcyder]

If it wasn't for this thread, I would have had no idea that Echo is out!

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

You could check Steam every day and you would never know about this game if not for this thread.

That shouldn't matter. Stuff like this shouldn't be allowed on the market place. It's on Valve to curate that content. I guarantee if Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo had an ISIS simulator readily available on their storefronts, the media would crucify them, and rightfully so.

Some hardcore defending of steam going on here. And I'm a steamboy myself.

Disappointing, to say the least.

 

[GhostTrick]

]I mean, if you are worried that a minimal filtering process for games to avoid stuff like this might affect a game you might want to play maybe the problem is you?[/B]

I don't understand why people are defending this, doesnt Valve earn a part of the profit of each game and ask for a tax to upload the game directly to the service? Is like saying "We are cool with absolute human garbage if it sells"



I did not ask you to do anything.

No, people are saying it doesn't remove them anything. People aren't saying these games are good. But can you accept that there's a difference between "I get shovelware shoved to my face on front page" and "there are shovelware in the unfiltered tab that is 2 pages away from the front page".

As for minimal filtering, yeah, I'm even against that because I think it's not up to someone to tell me if I should buy a game or not. If you want a curated place, there's GOG, which believes games like Cook, Serve, Delicious were too casual to be sold there or Assault Android Cactus not worth checking to even aknowledge it or Cave shoot em ups and Visual novels to be sold there because "they don't like it and dont consider these are games".

 

[FinalAres]

Why are people making OP out to be a moron for clicking one of the links on the front page. New releases as a tab is on the front page BECAUSE ITS EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING PEOPLE WANT TO CHECK OUT.

Some hardcore defending of steam going on here. And I'm a steamboy myself.

 

[luulubuu]

I see it as a good thing that I get to decide what games I get to buy, rather than someone else deciding what games are available for me to buy. I'm never going to buy garbage like this, but I don't want someone arbitrarily deciding what games are and aren't available for me to buy. There's the potential for a game I'd enjoy to not make the cut because someone else thinks it looks bad.

I don't think the problem is that it looks "bad" but the game is despicable in all levels. I get what you are saying and your point but also don't down play what i'm saying, this is, in my opinion, not cool at all and Valve is getting profit of it.

 

[Gravy Boat]

I don't think the problem is that it looks "bad" but the game is despicable in all levels. I get what you are saying and your point but also don't down play what i'm saying, this is, in my opinion, not cool at all and Valve is getting profit of it.

Then don't buy it, buy games you think are worth it. Don't try and dictate what games other people buy, stop worrying about it entirely and just ignore the games you don't agree with.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I feel this is a user problem than the side on Steam.

 

[AlexBasch]

Mexico's New releases tab.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Why are you folks debating whether it is at the front page in your pc or not? Is it not enough the fact that a game called SUICIDE SIMULATOR (and ISIS SIMULATOR to boot) is available to be purchased in Steam to raise alarm and concern?

 

[Rellik]

I feel this is a user problem than the side on Steam.

Yeah. Fuck the user for clicking a tab that Steam puts on the main page for good reason.

Why are you folks debating whether it is at the front page in your pc or not? Is it not enough the fact that a game called SUICIDE SIMULATOR (and ISIS SIMULATOR to boot) is available to be purchased in Steam to raise alarm and concern?

Got to defend Gaben at all costs.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Why are people making OP out to be a moron for clicking one of the links on the front page. New releases as a tab is on the front page BECAUSE ITS EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING PEOPLE WANT TO CHECK OUT.

Some hardcore defending of steam going on here. And I'm a steamboy myself.

I am not a fan of Steam at all, (nor a fan of what this game seems to be) but I really don't think they're in the wrong here.

Slap some advisories on it and let collective consumer choice ultimately justify or reject the existence of a game like this.

 

[Orbis]

Then don't buy it, buy games you think are worth it. Don't try and dictate what games other people buy, stop worrying about it entirely and just ignore the games you don't agree with.

By that measure any content is acceptable on Steam.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Still better then this

Oh look, a high speed Sony Too!

 

[Gravy Boat]

By that measure any content is acceptable on Steam.

Sure, anything that's legal anyway. Steam offers a bunch of ways to curate what you see, so I really don't care what they put up as long as it's not breaking any laws. I'm more than capable of deciding myself what games are worth spending my time and money on. Garbage like the games in the OP will disappear the moment people stop giving it attention.

 

[CecilRousso]

Not sure why some people get so upset over that people can understand why this is happening. It's not hardcore defending of Valve, to understand the implications of adding more curation of releases.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

By that measure any content is acceptable on Steam.

Case by case situations hinged on content can still be a thing.

 

[luulubuu]

I feel this is a user problem than the side on Steam.

Sure, problem is that Steam seems okay with this stuff to happen

Then don't buy it, buy games you think are worth it. Don't try and dictate what games other people buy, stop worrying about it entirely and just ignore the games you don't agree with.

I am not trying to dictate what you should buy or not, so get that thing right before impliying I said it. I'm just saying that Steam could use a moderation feature for this kind of stuff, or even a +18 mode, does it have by now? As a costumer I don't like to see this shit either ignore it, so you should stop dictating what I should do as user with the same rights as you

Why are you folks debating whether it is at the front page in your pc or not? Is it not enough the fact that a game called SUICIDE SIMULATOR (and ISIS SIMULATOR to boot) is available to be purchased in Steam to raise alarm and concern?

Nah, from what I gathered in this thread "The freedom to buy whatever I want > Human empathy"

 

[luulubuu]

sorry double post

 

[Gravy Boat]

Sure, problem is that Steam seems okay with this stuff to happen



I am not trying to dictate what you should buy or not, so get that thing right before impliying I said it. I'm just saying that Steam could use a moderation feature for this kind of stuff, or even a +18 mode, does it have by now? As a costumer I don't like to see this shit either ignore it, so you should stop dictating what I should do as user with the same rights as you

Steam has countless ways to curate and moderate the type of games that show up for you. You have a ton of ways to avoid seeing crap like this.

I'm not dictating what you do, I'm suggesting that if you don't want to see games like this, you should use the self-curation tools that steam provide to avoid it. Although I honestly don't see how simply seeing the existence of a game like this is enough to upset someone.

 

[blankempathy]

Its not under my popular and trending list either but if I click the see more new releases button at the bottom I can see it on the bottom right in the $5 and under category. As well as a vaping simulator with pepe the frog as the artwork.

 

[Orbis]

Case by case situations hinged on content can still be a thing.

I don’t see how a game that has a premise of you being sucidal and finding a means to kill yourself is acceptable for sale. Some depressed kid searches suicide on Steam and this is what they see. This is allowed on Steam, and I don’t agree with that.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Sure, problem is that Steam seems okay with this stuff to happen

I am not trying to dictate what you should buy or not, so get that thing right before impliying I said it. I'm just saying that Steam could use a moderation feature for this kind of stuff, or even a +18 mode, does it have by now? As a costumer I don't like to see this shit either ignore it, so you should stop dictating what I should do as user with the same rights as you

Yeah. Fuck the user for clicking a tab that Steam puts on the main page for good reason.

literally pulling a fanboy comment, lmao

anyway yes it is a user problem, because it's why filters exist, even OP said he visited Steam a few months, implying the filter system has already been around

and yes I don't like this game, but at the same time it is an open storefront where people can sell their shit in, there's a reason people here never heard of that game until OP pointed it out

 

[luulubuu]

Steam has countless ways to curate and moderate the type of games that show up for you. You have a ton of ways to avoid seeing crap like this.
.

Yo, really? I didn't know

How, as a total clueless gamer, I boot steam and I navigate the releases section because myabe I like, let's say, simulators and they are often not as popular, and I see it.

Is there any way to block that?

 

[thekiddfran]

I think some people are missing the entire point here. And the fact ye are saying stuff like “why did you go to the new and tending list etc” just shows how much of a mess steam is.

The point here is: how do games like this get into the store in the first place? We wouldn’t see this type of crap if steam didn’t allow it and actually took five minutes to view the games every week.

What’s to stop me creating “rape simulator” for example? Charging 2.50 and actually making a profit?

 

[Wonder Peter]

It is in the new releases tab in the front store, is not an item lost in the many tags or buried, is right there just by the side of popular new releases

People can be apologetic about ANYTHING

It's not in the frontstore, it's not even the default tab on the new releases category.

 

[tuna_love]

i hope no one simulates suicide in real life after seeing this

 

[Ascheroth]

Yo, really? I didn't know

How, as a total clueless gamer, I boot steam and I navigate the releases section because myabe I like, let's say, simulators and they are often not as popular, and I see it.

Is there any way to block that?

As a totally clueless gamer you boot Steam up and will never even see the games in question because you have to consciously leave all the filtered lists and seek out this particular list those games are on that is deliberately hidden a few clicks away in a sub-menu.

 

[thekiddfran]

It's not in the frontstore, it's not even the default tab on the new releases category.

I must be using a different steam so..

 

[Piccoro]

Still better then this

A game about a tiger is worse than Suicide and Isis simulator?

OK then...

 

[thekiddfran]

As a totally clueless gamer you boot Steam up and will never even see the games in question because you have to consciously leave all the filtered lists and seek out this particular list those games are on that is deliberately hidden a few clicks away in a sub-menu.

Do I have to keep posting this image?

It was the FIRST thing I saw when I went down to "new and trending"

 

[Boss Doggie]

Yo, really? I didn't know

How, as a total clueless gamer, I boot steam and I navigate the releases section because myabe I like, let's say, simulators and they are often not as popular, and I see it.

Is there any way to block that?

If you're a "clueless gamer" you wouldn't see this since it's way buried in the store.

 

[thekiddfran]

literally pulling a fanboy comment, lmao

anyway yes it is a user problem, because it's why filters exist, even OP said he visited Steam a few months, implying the filter system has already been around

and yes I don't like this game, but at the same time it is an open storefront where people can sell their shit in, there's a reason people here never heard of that game until OP pointed it out

Well the game released this morning so thats why it was on the new and trending tab.

 

[SlickShoes]

As a totally clueless gamer you boot Steam up and will never even see the games in question because you have to consciously leave all the filtered lists and seek out this particular list those games are on that is deliberately hidden a few clicks away in a sub-menu.

It's on the website, you don't have to boot up steam, it takes two clicks and neither of them are out of the way.

www.steampowered.com > New and Trending > New Releases

that's it. It's hardly a stretch that someone will check the new releases section of a storefront.

Content like this shouldn't exist, at best it should be filtered out for anyone under the age of 18.

 

[Wonder Peter]

I must be using a different steam so..

Yeah probably, you don't even have the same tabs I do in the frontpage for some reason.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Well the game released this morning so thats why it was on the new and trending tab.

and it's not there anymore, at least in mine, and everyone else's, tab

makes me wonder if it has something to do with your history

 

[Gravy Boat]

Do I have to keep posting this image?



It was the FIRST thing I saw when I went down to "new and trending"

So? Just ignore it and go on with your day. It's super easy to not pay attention to things you don't want to pay attention to.

 

[luulubuu]

If you're a "clueless gamer" you wouldn't see this since it's way buried in the store.

As a totally clueless gamer you boot Steam up and will never even see the games in question because you have to consciously leave all the filtered lists and seek out this particular list those games are on that is deliberately hidden a few clicks away in a sub-menu.

But being clueless wouldn't stop me from wondering around the store, in fact, I would be curious about how it works, and so far it looks like it is in;

New releases, scroll down a bit, new releases.

I don't think that counts as buried

I think some people are missing the entire point here. And the fact ye are saying stuff like “why did you go to the new and tending list etc” just shows how much of a mess steam is.

The point here is: how do games like this get into the store in the first place? We wouldn’t see this type of crap if steam didn’t allow it and actually took five minutes to view the games every week.

What’s to stop me creating “rape simulator” for example? Charging 2.50 and actually making a profit?

Actually? Nothing. It seems that some people, which I guess their take as valuable as the rest, is that Steam is a direct store with automatic systems; you pay the Steam Direct whatever and you sell whatever you want.

People are, and without any kind of complain from my side, the freedom of buying whatever they want and, not so cool, saying that if you don't like it, you should ignore it.

This kind of attitude is not only toxic but not critical at all and if you allow this shit to happen, eventually, you will find worse stuff, because if there's no laws there are no breakers and everything is okay.

The thing is Valve gets profit from this, I think they get a fee and also the 30% cut of each game, is really Valve okay with selling this stuff? :/ Is not that I should or not ignore this, but that a millionaire company is okay with this is just disturbing.

 

[SlickShoes]

and it's not there anymore, at least in mine, and everyone else's, tab

makes me wonder if it has something to do with your history

Blaming the OP now, amazing.

All hail steam our lord and savior,

 

[thekiddfran]

But being clueless wouldn't stop me from wondering around the store, in fact, I would be curious about how it works, and so far it looks like it is in;

New releases, scroll down a bit, new releases.

I don't think that counts as buried



Actually? Nothing. It seems that some people, which I guess their take as valuable as the rest, is that Steam is a direct store with automatic systems; you pay the Steam Direct whatever and you sell whatever you want.

People are, and without any kind of complain from my side, the freedom of buying whatever they want and, not so cool, saying that if you don't like it, you should ignore it.

This kind of attitude is not only toxic but not critical at all and if you allow this shit to happen, eventually, you will find worse stuff, because if there's no laws there are no breakers and everything is okay.

The thing is Valve gets profit from this, I think they get a fee and also the 30% cut of each game, is really Valve okay with selling this stuff? :/ Is not that I should or not ignore this, but that a millionaire company is okay with this is just disturbing.

I get the impression valve seems to get away with anything.

As someone pointed out: if MS or Sony had this on there store as a “new and trending” game they would headline news

 

[thekiddfran]

So? Just ignore it and go on with your day. It's super easy to not pay attention to things you don't want to pay attention to.

Well I did ignore it but it left me asking more questions. Such as: how does a multimillion dollar corporation get away with putting shit like this on their store.

Do they not have any quality control? Is this what you get for having a free storefront?

The other crazy thing is people on here going: “you idiot, don’t check the new and trending, it must be because of my gaming library?”

Wtf are ye talking about?

 

[Lord Phol]

It's on the website, you don't have to boot up steam, it takes two clicks and neither of them are out of the way.

www.steampowered.com > New and Trending > New Releases

that's it. It's hardly a stretch that someone will check the new releases section of a storefront.

Content like this shouldn't exist, at best it should be filtered out for anyone under the age of 18.

In that case shouldn't murder simulators like pubg, gta, payday and counter strike be filtered out as well? You would probably have to censor most of the games released on the store.

I mean this is probably an awful game and some quality control could be useful for all store pages, but I feel this kind of outrage is a bit hypocritical.