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Dragon Ball Super |OT8| There is no justice or evil, only survival or erasure.
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SenjutsuSage
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Even if Spirit Bomb were powerful enough to defeat Jiren, that damn thing is way too friggin slow. That has absolutely zero chance of touching Jiren if Jiren doesn't wish for it too, which means it's only purpose for being shown is so Jiren can show us how easily he deals with a technique at that level.
I wouldn't be surprised if he physically touches the spirit bomb with his bare hand, only to just nullify it out of existence without too much effort on his end.
I wouldn't be surprised if he physically touches the spirit bomb with his bare hand, only to just nullify it out of existence without too much effort on his end.
MegaSackman
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So, that Goku new transformation was a real tease? I thought it was gonna be next episode but doesn't seem like it.
I mean he just looks annoyed at it so yeah
How do you know it's edit in the correct order?
Insumatposa
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Isn't the Spirit Bomb destined to defeat very evil enemies with pure evil ki, energy and intentions since it gathers the energy of innocent lives, people, animals, plants? Jiren isn't an evil enemy with bad intentions after all, he is a the most important hero in the Justice team. The Spirit Bomb won't have any effect on him not because of its low caliber but because of the principle of it and to whom it is targeted.
Fulminator
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They only showed the preview for 109
Probably isn't but I doubt he would look worried
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
What if the twist is that the limit breaker stuff with Goku is all fake and it's really Gohan that gets it... lol yeah right
I would be able to buy this if RoF didn't happen, but he repeated his same mistake from before the Androids(got a shiny new form and rushed off for revenge).
After all this time and multiple chances I just don't think it's believable that Frieza is able to reflect and improve himself.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
This is actually a theory I've had for the longest, that it might be a prelude to the more complete version awakened by Gohan at some point during the tournament.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Also, the more I see, the more this arc looks like Gohan is being treated like the second main character, or someone receiving a major buildup for something. Frieza's interactions with him this episode, as well as the different moments of focus he's received in the tournament (with the exception of that sniper episode of course), makes me think something is seriously up.
Even Jimeze said he could tell that Gohan is a fighter with great potential, and that if he should see him again, he would teach Gohan his attacks.
Even Jimeze said he could tell that Gohan is a fighter with great potential, and that if he should see him again, he would teach Gohan his attacks.
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Gokus new form is gonna be him absorbing the Spirit bomb
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Anyone see the theory floating around that Jiren is just an empty vessel that is being controlled by the god of destruction of that universe who can somehow imbue the vessel with his power.
lol
lol
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Also, next episode looks like one in which the anime reveals that it is Jiren, and not Toppo, who is the mortal in training to be the next God of Destruction for Universe 11?
Maybe that will be a key difference between the manga and anime. Who knows, maybe Jiren won't be quite as deadly an opponent in the manga, and it will instead end up being Toppo? We will have to see I guess.
Maybe that will be a key difference between the manga and anime. Who knows, maybe Jiren won't be quite as deadly an opponent in the manga, and it will instead end up being Toppo? We will have to see I guess.
Insumatposa
Member
Me too, I thought that Frieza fought Gohan to push him to his limits and unlock his true power since he was always intrigued by saiyans. I think witness the new form for Goku based on Gohan's Mystical form and both will team tag fight Jiren.
Insumatposa
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Keep in mind that even in the anime, the one in cloak next to Universe 11 hakaishin, watching the pre-tournament 3 fights was first Jiren then changed after by Toppo.
That was more than likely just a mistake and miscommunication
The manga also had it be Toppo so it was supposed to be him in Toriyama outline and it's not like they can make a last minute change like that
Bobo Dakes
Member
Goku is gonna get washed and I am here for it.
I wonder why they decided to switch them, I don't think they switched their roles, maybe they just didn't feel like introducing Jiren like that.
Well that's that.
I think it was just a mistake from the animators
It was never said the Spirit Bomb only works against evil. Seriously, where are people getting this?
No it wasn't. The model before didn't even match Jiren's design.
yeah I've never once heard that or thought it before, not sure why so many people seem tot think it suddenly
Insumatposa
Member
You can't gather energy from evil entities anyway to form that ball. It is supposed to be pure kindness against pure evil. That is why it is called Spirit Bomb.
Then why would it kill gohan if he fucked up reflecting it? Its never been said it only hurts evil people
The Genki Dama hurt Frieza though. Frieza's not evil.
I don't think it was ever stated it only work on evil just that only the pure hearted can use it
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Even if Zeno didn't see some speedy shenanigans the Grand Priest or one of the angels would. Remember that Vados could keep up with Dyspo and Hit's fight.
It's called the Genki Dama. The Spirit Bomb is the English dub name, which isn't entirely accurate. It was also never said you can't gather energy form evil either. Plus, Cell said he could create the Spirit Bomb and no one questioned him on it.
Insumatposa
Member
Hah. It was in DBZ of course when he was evil. but in previous times almost all Dragon Ball characters were evil, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Piccolo,Vegeta, the androids, Buu and even Bulma in the beginning. Then all suddenly became more docile than sheeps. This is a cliche of the majority of mangas and animes.
But again, who told you that Frieza became a nice person and doesn't hide an evil scheme like many still suspect?
I don't remember any of those events happening. Can you tell me when exactly?
This. That is why I can't understand (or remember) Cell saying this.
Pretty much, and it gathers life force or something similar (genki), which is the reason people who offer their energy feel a bit tired afterwards, plus I don't think evil people are excluded from sharing their energy tbh.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Yea, it would be pretty badass and speak volumes of Jiren's power if it took two among the most powerful Saiyans from Universe 7, one or both in which will unlock far greater power, to take on and defeat, or just to stalemate him. It would be a rather nice way of showing us just how far from a god of destruction the current main characters still are.
Really.. wonder if that was a mistake by the animators?
Fulminator
Member
It's just a recycle of the Monaka theory when thought he could have been a vessel for Beerus.
Maybe they're confusing it for the Devilmite Beam? Speaking of, that was such a broken attack.
That thing kills anyone who doesn't have any evil. Meaning, only people like Buu (who needs to be atomized to be killed), maybe Cell, Future and Merged Zamasu, and extremely pure-hearted people would survive it.
Insumatposa
Member
That would replicate the Kami Piccolo case, illegally participating using Shen body in order to contain the evil Piccolo. Does that mean Universe 11 Hakaishin would do this in order to guarantee his universe's victory? Possible, seeing how apathetic Jiren is during the tournament, looking always hollow and needing so much concentration, maybe due to the Hakaishin remote control.
In that case if Universe 11 wins by this fraudulent manner, if the Zenos find out, they will erase them.
AgentLampshade
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Bahaha! After all the scheming, all the fan theories, Frost is casually eliminated with absolutely no fanfare. Not even any music playing. Well played DB Super, I wasn't expecting that.
Toppo said and the other pride Troopers agreed Jiren was way stronger than them and their ace
AgentLampshade
Member
And casually erased too. Damn, what a way for a popular-ish character to go.
He was popular-ish?
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
Frost lost any chance of being popular when he revealed himself as a Freeza clone all along back in the U6 tournament.
AgentLampshade
Member
"Prominent" is probably the word I should have used. He'll have his fans I'm sure.
Need some evidence of that.
Solid Sora
Member
He became popular-ish like one week ago.
Poor guy.
Poor guy.
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