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[Stumpokapow]

iOS11 wifi UI is completely fucking busted.

They changed it so that you cannot turn off wifi without going into airplane mode in the regular UI.

Here is an example of why this matters. I work in a big brick building. I have access to a building-wide wifi, I have a router in my office, and some places are dead zones. In iOS 10, I have both the building-wide wifi and the router in my office in my known routers, my phone takes a stab at them, and sometimes when I'm near the dead zone, I turn off the wifi. In iOS 11, I press turn off wifi, and then like 2 minutes later iOS helpfully tries to reconnect me to the poor signal wifi that doesn't quite reach the dead zone, dropping all my active connections while it tries to connect, and forcing me to turn off the wifi again.

Here's another example. My bus commute home is about 45 minutes. Near where I work, I have wifi in some places. I get on the bus, which promptly drives through a town with a bunch of public wifi hotspots I use, including coffee shops. Then it drives into the town I live in, where my cable company has a wifi network I can use for free. Then I get home. Unfortunately, although my phone sees the coffee shop and cable wifis as the bus is driving, it can't get a stable connection on any of them, or if it can, it'll lose connection in seconds when the bus starts again. On iOS 10, I get on the bus and turn off my wifi for the 45 minutes. On iOS 11, I disconnect from the wifi and have to re-disconnect about 5 times during my commute, normally only noticing it even tried to connect because webpages don't load.

Okay, I get it, Tim Cook's grandmother forgets to turn her wifi back on and gets mad at him because she gets a data overage bill or some stupid shit. Great. Figure out a solution to that problem. This is not a sane default. Let me override this stupid behaviour, figure out a way for the default to not try to route everything through jank-ass ghost connections, make the temporary disconnect last more than a nanosecond, whatever it takes to not fucking suck major ass all the time.

This is honestly the single biggest usability issue I have ever experienced with an iOS device going back to the iPhone 3G I got at launch. I have no idea how this was shipped.

Oh and by the way the new control center is ugly as hell, less usable, and actually not any more concise. So that's an impressive achievement.

 

[Laekon]

So Best Buy has $100 off the iPad Pro line. I haven't owned an iPad since the original one, and didn't get a whole lot of use out of it. Presently I own a laptop, but not a desktop, that I use primarily for Skype (text only, mostly for DnD-type games), web browsing, writing, movie watching, some gaming, and photo viewing.

For $550, is the iPad Pro 10.5'' a good deal? A lot of the features in iOS 11 look appealing, especially the dock and file system (I used a Macbook for a while, but currently have a Windows laptop).

Just the regular iPad will be better then you laptop for some of those things. Maybe gaming as well. I bought a Pro thinking it would replace taking a laptop to school but it didn't. I don't like the feel of the pen on the screen since there is almost no friction, still have issues with palm rejection, and none of the keyboards are as good as any decent laptop keyboard.

 

[Guess Who]

iOS11 wifi UI is completely fucking busted.

They changed it so that you cannot turn off wifi without going into airplane mode in the regular UI.

Here is an example of why this matters. I work in a big brick building. I have access to a building-wide wifi, I have a router in my office, and some places are dead zones. In iOS 10, I have both the building-wide wifi and the router in my office in my known routers, my phone takes a stab at them, and sometimes when I'm near the dead zone, I turn off the wifi. In iOS 11, I press turn off wifi, and then like 2 minutes later iOS helpfully tries to reconnect me to the poor signal wifi that doesn't quite reach the dead zone, dropping all my active connections while it tries to connect, and forcing me to turn off the wifi again.

Here's another example. My bus commute home is about 45 minutes. Near where I work, I have wifi in some places. I get on the bus, which promptly drives through a town with a bunch of public wifi hotspots I use, including coffee shops. Then it drives into the town I live in, where my cable company has a wifi network I can use for free. Then I get home. Unfortunately, although my phone sees the coffee shop and cable wifis as the bus is driving, it can't get a stable connection on any of them, or if it can, it'll lose connection in seconds when the bus starts again. On iOS 10, I get on the bus and turn off my wifi for the 45 minutes. On iOS 11, I disconnect from the wifi and have to re-disconnect about 5 times during my commute, normally only noticing it even tried to connect because webpages don't load.

Okay, I get it, Tim Cook's grandmother forgets to turn her wifi back on and gets mad at him because she gets a data overage bill or some stupid shit. Great. Figure out a solution to that problem. This is not a sane default. Let me override this stupid behaviour, figure out a way for the default to not try to route everything through jank-ass ghost connections, make the temporary disconnect last more than a nanosecond, whatever it takes to not fucking suck major ass all the time.

This is honestly the single biggest usability issue I have ever experienced with an iOS device going back to the iPhone 3G I got at launch. I have no idea how this was shipped.

Oh and by the way the new control center is ugly as hell, less usable, and actually not any more concise. So that's an impressive achievement.

If it helps, turning off WiFi in the Settings app rather than Control Center will actually turn off WiFi the way you expect it to.

I also expect/hope the shitty "latch on to weak-ass unusable WiFi networks instead of just falling back to LTE" behavior will probably get patched out at some point soon-ish since that very same behavior is why the new LTE Watch got some middling reviews.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Macrumors compilation of problems reflect my experience and complaints.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/25/ios-11-app-slowdowns-performance-issues/

Apps freezing and crashes and phone overheating the most annoying thing.

Was going for a run tonight and control center was stuck on Apple Music. It would never detect that I was using Spotify and anytime the screen locked I’d have to unlock it and go through the app.

“Let it index. For a week?” 😂

 

[Zeyphersan]

Nah that control center glitch has been there since like the first beta

 

[slick7rick]

I've never had so many problems with iOS until 11. I actually had to restore my 10.3.3 which caused me to lose a lot of progress on my most played games, but it's a small price to pay for stability and an actually decent battery life. It's been about 8 hours now and I've lost only 21% battery life, which is excellent for the amount of videos and music I've been playing. On iOS 11 I would have already had to charge my phone.

 

[eyeball_kid]

I also expect/hope the shitty "latch on to weak-ass unusable WiFi networks instead of just falling back to LTE" behavior will probably get patched out at some point soon-ish since that very same behavior is why the new LTE Watch got some middling reviews.

I doubt it, at least not on the iPhone. As I said before, I believe it was an intentional choice because several iOS features (Handoff, AirDrop, Universal Clipboard, Instant Hotspot, etc.) use wifi (via their Multipeer framework which combines wifi and bluetooth to do a custom kind of wifi direct). They want to make sure people can use these features without having to understand why they work.

Maybe a double-tap or 3D Touch option can provide a Control Center shortcut to completely turn it off.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

I really freaking love ios11 on my 10.5 iPad Pro!! It feels like I am finding new tips and tricks every day.

 

[Guess Who]

I doubt it, at least not on the iPhone. As I said before, I believe it was an intentional choice because several iOS features (Handoff, AirDrop, Universal Clipboard, Instant Hotspot, etc.) use wifi (via their Multipeer framework which combines wifi and bluetooth to do a custom kind of wifi direct). They want to make sure people can use these features without having to understand why they work.

Maybe a double-tap or 3D Touch option can provide a Control Center shortcut to completely turn it off.

No, I just mean they'll make iOS (and watchOS) more aggressive about not hanging on to weak or unusable WiFi signals and falling back to LTE.

 

[eyeball_kid]

No, I just mean they'll make iOS (and watchOS) more aggressive about not hanging on to weak or unusable WiFi signals and falling back to LTE.

Ah, yeah I'd imagine so. And fix that issue on the Watch trying to access gated public wifi.

Damn, I was wondering why my 7 was burning through battery today not even doing anything. Went it to check the Background App Refresh screen and they had all been turned on! wtf!

 

[Broken Hope]

Nah that control center glitch has been there since like the first beta

Because it’s not a glitch, it’s intended behaviour.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

I love ios 11.

Its fast and my battery life is actually better now. Rocking an iPhone se btw.

 

[Fluloco]

I love ios 11.

Its fast and my battery life is actually better now. Rocking an iPhone se btw.

Mine is actually better too. It started draining faster, but after a couple of days, it really improved.

 

[Fox1304]

Anybody having a tip for being able to open several tabs in background on safari?
My GAF navigation is made entirely of "Open in background tab" on the "See First unread post" buttons, and the new UI from iOS11 makes that very tedious.
I've just discovered the fact that two-fingers tap opens in a background tab, but the arrow on GAF is way to small to be able to do that.

 

[Red]

Anybody having a tip for being able to open several tabs in background on safari?
My GAF navigation is made entirely of "Open in background tab" on the "See First unread post" buttons, and the new UI from iOS11 makes that very tedious.
I've just discovered the fact that two-fingers tap opens in a background tab, but the arrow on GAF is way to small to be able to do that.

Long press or 3D Touch, same as always. Maybe I’m not understanding the question. What changed for you?

 

[DavidDesu]

Realising just now how they’ve not thought about the iPad mini here at all which is worrying. When you put a lot of icons on the dock the tap targets start becoming pretty small, especially if you activate the icon editor (wiggling icons, forget what you’d call this) and the 'x' tap targets are virtually impossible to hit on the Mini.

Also, I use the split keyboard and I’m REALLY detesting how the Undo button shows up where I normally hit the right hand space bar, anytime I use the 123 button to type something like a number or symbol. I’m constantly Undoing what I just typed.

Also when I’ve been typing quickly somehow I’m highlighting large blocks of text and then of course deleting them as soon as I type something else. Happened a few times while posting here. Think it’s maybe connected to the ability to use two fingers to move the text cursor.. and it glitching out and activating when it shouldn’t. Frustrating.

 

[Fox1304]

Long press or 3D Touch, same as always. Maybe I’m not understanding the question. What changed for you?

The duration of the long press is far longer than it was.
And as for 3D touch, that'd be great ... but not on iPad

 

[Glass Shark]

iOS 11 final release definitely feels more buggy than previous versions have. I’ve had a few weird issues with Touch ID completely blacking out the screen, Safari hanging up, the “touch status bar to go to top” gesture, and a few other things. But nothing too terribly bad in the big scheme of things.

 

[Fluloco]

Anybody having a tip for being able to open several tabs in background on safari?
My GAF navigation is made entirely of "Open in background tab" on the "See First unread post" buttons, and the new UI from iOS11 makes that very tedious.
I've just discovered the fact that two-fingers tap opens in a background tab, but the arrow on GAF is way to small to be able to do that.

Wtf I didn't know that

 

[LordOfChaos]

Anybody having a tip for being able to open several tabs in background on safari?
My GAF navigation is made entirely of "Open in background tab" on the "See First unread post" buttons, and the new UI from iOS11 makes that very tedious.
I've just discovered the fact that two-fingers tap opens in a background tab, but the arrow on GAF is way to small to be able to do that.

I thought there was supposed to be a 3D touch action for moving through tabs too in iOS11, from word on the regular websites. Is that a thing? I find getting the bottom tab bar back up and then hitting the tabs button and then finding a tab tedious on non-plus iPhones

https://www.cultofmac.com/485088/ios-11-features-apple-didnt-mention/

Why is it so damn bad with this update? Is it poorly optimized or did it simply include many new features that fucking drain it?

It's definitely not still indexing 10 days in as some will tell you lol. I think the .0 release is just lacking battery optimizations that'll come with .1 and .2

I wish Apple would just slow down the release cadence instead of releasing such buggy, drainy, low performance builds to the public. I could always wait, of course, but the .0 releases have been leaving a bad taste for a lot of people.

 

[borghe]

iOS11 wifi UI is completely fucking busted.

They changed it so that you cannot turn off wifi without going into airplane mode in the regular UI.

Here is an example of why this matters. I work in a big brick building. I have access to a building-wide wifi, I have a router in my office, and some places are dead zones. In iOS 10, I have both the building-wide wifi and the router in my office in my known routers, my phone takes a stab at them, and sometimes when I'm near the dead zone, I turn off the wifi. In iOS 11, I press turn off wifi, and then like 2 minutes later iOS helpfully tries to reconnect me to the poor signal wifi that doesn't quite reach the dead zone, dropping all my active connections while it tries to connect, and forcing me to turn off the wifi again.

Here's another example. My bus commute home is about 45 minutes. Near where I work, I have wifi in some places. I get on the bus, which promptly drives through a town with a bunch of public wifi hotspots I use, including coffee shops. Then it drives into the town I live in, where my cable company has a wifi network I can use for free. Then I get home. Unfortunately, although my phone sees the coffee shop and cable wifis as the bus is driving, it can't get a stable connection on any of them, or if it can, it'll lose connection in seconds when the bus starts again. On iOS 10, I get on the bus and turn off my wifi for the 45 minutes. On iOS 11, I disconnect from the wifi and have to re-disconnect about 5 times during my commute, normally only noticing it even tried to connect because webpages don't load.

Okay, I get it, Tim Cook's grandmother forgets to turn her wifi back on and gets mad at him because she gets a data overage bill or some stupid shit. Great. Figure out a solution to that problem. This is not a sane default. Let me override this stupid behaviour, figure out a way for the default to not try to route everything through jank-ass ghost connections, make the temporary disconnect last more than a nanosecond, whatever it takes to not fucking suck major ass all the time.

This is honestly the single biggest usability issue I have ever experienced with an iOS device going back to the iPhone 3G I got at launch. I have no idea how this was shipped.

Oh and by the way the new control center is ugly as hell, less usable, and actually not any more concise. So that's an impressive achievement.

What you’re describing sounds like a bug. Turning it off in CC is supposed to disconnect you from networks and turn off auto-join.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086

Are you reconnecting to a spot at work at all?

What you are looking for is exactly how the new setting is supposed to work, without actually disabling the radio. Not sure why it’s auto-joining on its own after you turn it off.

As others have you can still turn off the radios in settings though.

 

[sangreal]

What you're describing sounds like a bug. Turning it off in CC is supposed to disconnect you from networks and turn off auto-join.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086

Are you reconnecting to a spot at work at all?

What you are looking for is exactly how the new setting is supposed to work, without actually disabling the radio. Not sure why it's auto-joining on its own after you turn it off.

As others have you can still turn off the radios in settings though.

While Wi-Fi is disabled, auto-join for any nearby Wi-Fi networks will also be disabled until:
...
You walk or drive to a new location.

 

[Fuu]

After updating Predictive Emoji stopped working on my iPhone (iPad was fine). Managed to fix it by doing this:

"Try typing a bunch of random emojis into a text. Hit return to begin a new line, and type a word that you would expect predictive emojis for."

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2016/08/fix-predictive-emoji-not-working-ios-10-keyboard-iphone-ipad.html

 

[hiim_haz]

It look me forever to figure out how to delete a sticker pack (Mario Run) from the iMessage app store location. On iOS 10 you'd long press and the icons would wiggle and press X.

On this ... you go to your app list and randomly swipe to delete. Why so hidden.

 

[Kyonashi]

Had to delete Facebook and Chrome to have space to install, now I get stuck on an infinite loading screen on the App Store and can't redownload them

 

[SOLDIER]

Not sure if I’m imagining it or not, but my iPad looks a little dimmer ever since the iOS update.

I’ve double checked to make sure no automatic settings are in place to mess with my preferred display:

That should be it, right?

 

[borghe]

While Wi-Fi is disabled, auto-join for any nearby Wi-Fi networks will also be disabled until:
...
You walk or drive to a new location.

correct. I don't think he is "walking to a new location" at his job. Similarly "driving to a new location" is some algorithm.. typically in a car, even with stops/lights.. it takes a few minutes of "not traveling" for the phone to register you as a new location. still, I was less certain on that.. the trip home it could be "working as intended" in which case yeah he is better off just disabling it in settings. but at work hitting the icon in CC should accomplish the behavior he is looking for. disconnect from wifi and disable auto-join.

 

[Vyer]

iOS11 wifi UI is completely fucking busted.

They changed it so that you cannot turn off wifi without going into airplane mode in the regular UI.

Here is an example of why this matters. I work in a big brick building. I have access to a building-wide wifi, I have a router in my office, and some places are dead zones. In iOS 10, I have both the building-wide wifi and the router in my office in my known routers, my phone takes a stab at them, and sometimes when I'm near the dead zone, I turn off the wifi. In iOS 11, I press turn off wifi, and then like 2 minutes later iOS helpfully tries to reconnect me to the poor signal wifi that doesn't quite reach the dead zone, dropping all my active connections while it tries to connect, and forcing me to turn off the wifi again.

Here's another example. My bus commute home is about 45 minutes. Near where I work, I have wifi in some places. I get on the bus, which promptly drives through a town with a bunch of public wifi hotspots I use, including coffee shops. Then it drives into the town I live in, where my cable company has a wifi network I can use for free. Then I get home. Unfortunately, although my phone sees the coffee shop and cable wifis as the bus is driving, it can't get a stable connection on any of them, or if it can, it'll lose connection in seconds when the bus starts again. On iOS 10, I get on the bus and turn off my wifi for the 45 minutes. On iOS 11, I disconnect from the wifi and have to re-disconnect about 5 times during my commute, normally only noticing it even tried to connect because webpages don't load.

Okay, I get it, Tim Cook's grandmother forgets to turn her wifi back on and gets mad at him because she gets a data overage bill or some stupid shit. Great. Figure out a solution to that problem. This is not a sane default. Let me override this stupid behaviour, figure out a way for the default to not try to route everything through jank-ass ghost connections, make the temporary disconnect last more than a nanosecond, whatever it takes to not fucking suck major ass all the time.

This is honestly the single biggest usability issue I have ever experienced with an iOS device going back to the iPhone 3G I got at launch. I have no idea how this was shipped.

Oh and by the way the new control center is ugly as hell, less usable, and actually not any more concise. So that's an impressive achievement.

go into settings and turn it off.

you can also turn on 'ask to join networks'

 

[Dreadnought]

Youtube is still destroying my battery even after I turned off background app refresh. It’s still running in the background. My battery dropped to 60% after just an hour of use.

 

[Audette]

After using ios11 for 3 day’s with no issues all my Apple Music songs removed themselves, I triple checked and the option to remove less used songs isn’t turned on.

Super annoyed of course, it happened on a day when I don’t have time to download them again. Luckily some my purchased tracks and import tunes remained.

 

[Animator]

I used to be able to clean up multiple notifications by pressing an X on top right. Is that removed? Now I have to get rid of notifications one by one it seems which wastes a lot of time.

 

[borghe]

After using ios11 for 3 day’s with no issues all my Apple Music songs removed themselves, I triple checked and the option to remove less used songs isn’t turned on.

Super annoyed of course, it happened on a day when I don’t have time to download them again. Luckily some my purchased tracks and import tunes remained.

double check that "downloaded songs" didn't somehow get checked. Also make sure iCloud Music Library" and "Apple Music" are turned on in settings. These are the most frequent causes of "most of my songs disappearing". The good news is that if it's one of these, all of your songs and settings are still there when you turn whichever it is back on.

 

[Audette]

Yeah all the download songs is checked on, the iCloud is on, Apple Music is turned on too. Nothing changed as far as I can see.

 

[btrboyev]

So the “file system” they have touted is a big fucking joke.

 

[giga]

So the “file system” they have touted is a big fucking joke.

?

What’s wrong with APFS?

 

[Vyer]

Youtube is still destroying my battery even after I turned off background app refresh. It’s still running in the background. My battery dropped to 60% after just an hour of use.

There’s a YouTube update out today. Might help

 

[emag]

Odds on seeing an 11.1 beta this week?

?

What's wrong with APFS?

Probably referring to the Files app, not the file system.

 

[Stumpokapow]

go into settings and turn it off.

Although it seems this is the best workaround for now, this is not an acceptable solution, and the default behaviour is a substantial regression from iOS 10

you can also turn on 'ask to join networks'

I mean I think you know this is not an acceptable solution. Clearly I want to have my phone connect to my home wifi and all the other wifi signals I use in the run of a day, I just don't want it to connect to every -90 dBi signal it sees on a distant horizon two yottoseconds after I press the button to turn off wifi.

What you're describing sounds like a bug. Turning it off in CC is supposed to disconnect you from networks and turn off auto-join.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086

Are you reconnecting to a spot at work at all?

I did not imagine that walking two offices over or whatever in the same building would qualify as triggering the geofencing mechanism, and I just explained why the geofencing mechanism is poorly designed for actual commuters so again I would persist with: this is not a sane default behaviour and it's certainly not sane to not have an obvious user override.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

I don’t get the complaints about wifi at all. Just turn off automatically connecting to each network if you want control over when it connects. Personally it’s far more useful to be able to quickly disconnect from a network without having to worry about turning it back on.

 

[j-wood]

11.0.1 was just released. Bug fixes and performance improvements.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

nvm, wrong thread, this was about High Sierra.

 

[Guess Who]

11.0.1 was just released. Bug fixes and performance improvements.

277mb update on my 6s Plus. Hope it helps with battery life.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

There’s a bug on my 7+ on iOS 11 related to replying to notifs from the notification centre and it is honestly utterly garbage, I can’t believe it got through. There’s no point trying to reply inline anymore, there’s like a 50% chance it will randomly decide to close the reply.

 

[grmlin]

iOS managed to drain my 7+'s battery down into the red zone at the end of the day for the first time ever. Wow, what a mess. I hope they'll figure it out, this is unacceptable.

 

[borghe]

I did not imagine that walking two offices over or whatever in the same building would qualify as triggering the geofencing mechanism, and I just explained why the geofencing mechanism is poorly designed for actual commuters so again I would persist with: this is not a sane default behaviour and it's certainly not sane to not have an obvious user override.

like I said... the work part definitely seems to not be working as intended. I would talk to apple support about that to at least get it noticed.

the commuter thing... not sure. if it's working as intended.. there definitely seems to be a huge room for improvement... or it's bugged. but yeah, that sucks.

 

[Sean]

11.0.1 was just released. Bug fixes and performance improvements.

For those who were on the public beta you need to delete the beta profile first in order to see this. Go to Settings > General > Profile, delete the beta profile and then restart your phone.

 

[VincentMatts]

iOS managed to drain my 7+'s battery down into the red zone at the end of the day for the first time ever. Wow, what a mess. I hope they'll figure it out, this is unacceptable.

Agreed, they killed my battery life because of this stupid update

edit: i went as far as emailing Tim directly about this. Thats how mad i am. Hopefully something gets done.

 

[Vyer]

Although it seems this is the best workaround for now, this is not an acceptable solution, and the default behaviour is a substantial regression from iOS 10



I mean I think you know this is not an acceptable solution. Clearly I want to have my phone connect to my home wifi and all the other wifi signals I use in the run of a day, I just don't want it to connect to every -90 dBi signal it sees on a distant horizon two yottoseconds after I press the button to turn off wifi.



I did not imagine that walking two offices over or whatever in the same building would qualify as triggering the geofencing mechanism, and I just explained why the geofencing mechanism is poorly designed for actual commuters so again I would persist with: this is not a sane default behaviour and it's certainly not sane to not have an obvious user override.

Ok. My intention is to hopefully find a workaround that could help, not to determine what you may or may not find an ‘acceptable solution’, as your use case is not the same as mine. Hopefully they do add the option at the CC level, and not just in Settings. But in your commute example anyway, it seems that turning it off for that 45 minutes seems the most direct workaround..

 

[grmlin]

Agreed, they killed my battery life because of this stupid update

edit: i went as far as emailing Tim directly about this. Thats how mad i am. Hopefully something gets done.

The battery was the main reason to leave android for a 6+ back then. And it delivered, I never had a single complaint. But this is really sad, this update should have never seen the light of day in its current state. I can only imagine which bugs the X will come with... this was clearly rushed out of the door.

 

[j-wood]

Really all they need to do is add a 3d touch option to the wifi and bluetooth toggles that gives you the permanent shut off option. Easy.