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[GoldenHelmet]

Just to Clarify ...

I certainly wasn't attacking anyone with my last post, re: HD etc. I was just asking a question.

As a CONSOLE gamer myself, I'm used to games running at 1280x720 with an FPS of 20 to 40fps (GTA4, Assasins etc) and I am fine with that, I do NOT (personally) need to see the game running at 60+ fps to be made happy, the GAME is everything do me.

Where the problem lies is *I* didn't actually think PC gamers were ninjas at wanting the highest FPS NO MATTER WHAT!

So from my point of view, I'm sorry, my bad. FYI I'm the CEO of JAW not a programmer, I will now move to beat our programmers to make sure they fix the issue.

Saying that I do believe there is actually "glitch" causing the slow down, what I'm seeing is that machines with higher specs should be running quicker, but for some reason the speed is simply NOT coming through, THAT IS A PROBLEM, and is likely one that can be resolved.

So please bear with us! thanks

xx

 

[vazel]

i'm pretty astounded that this is the official response.

i don't know what else to say.

Be happy you get to play the game at all!

I love Oddworld.

 

[GoldenHelmet]

i'm pretty astounded that this is the official response.

i don't know what else to say.

how should i expect a game ported from a console that came out nearly a decade ago to run? marginally better than it ran on that ten year old hardware you say?

that wouldn't be acceptable on an Xbox 360, let alone a PC.

i say that as one of the least self entitled PC gamers you could run into.

For the record Stranger came out in March 2005, so just over 5 years ago.

 

[wwm0nkey]

Just to Clarify ...

I certainly wasn't attacking anyone with my last post, re: HD etc. I was just asking a question.

As a CONSOLE gamer myself, I'm used to games running at 1280x720 with an FPS of 20 to 40fps (GTA4, Assasins etc) and I am fine with that, I do NOT (personally) need to see the game running at 60+ fps to be made happy, the GAME is everything do me.

Where the problem lies is *I* didn't actually think PC gamers were ninjas at wanting the highest FPS NO MATTER WHAT!

So from my point of view, I'm sorry, my bad. FYI I'm the CEO of JAW not a programmer, I will now move to beat our programmers to make sure they fix the issue.

Saying that I do believe there is actually "glitch" causing the slow down, what I'm seeing is that machines with higher specs should be running quicker, but for some reason the speed is simply NOT coming through, THAT IS A PROBLEM, and is likely one that can be resolved.

So please bear with us! thanks

xx

This will calm the fire for awhile :lol

also I do recommend you sell the game 50% off again when the game is patched to be fair to those who waited for the patch.

 

[Dascu]

Just to Clarify ...

I certainly wasn't attacking anyone with my last post, re: HD etc. I was just asking a question.

As a CONSOLE gamer myself, I'm used to games running at 1280x720 with an FPS of 20 to 40fps (GTA4, Assasins etc) and I am fine with that, I do NOT (personally) need to see the game running at 60+ fps to be made happy, the GAME is everything do me.

Where the problem lies is *I* didn't actually think PC gamers were ninjas at wanting the highest FPS NO MATTER WHAT!

So from my point of view, I'm sorry, my bad. FYI I'm the CEO of JAW not a programmer, I will now move to beat our programmers to make sure they fix the issue.

Saying that I do believe there is actually "glitch" causing the slow down, what I'm seeing is that machines with higher specs should be running quicker, but for some reason the speed is simply NOT coming through, THAT IS A PROBLEM, and is likely one that can be resolved.

So please bear with us! thanks

xx

For what it's worth, I think you'll make more enemies than friends with sayings like that.

That said, the issues are more than just the framerates (graphical issues, control issues, etc.) and I wouldn't stomach framerates like that on a console either.

 

[StuBurns]

Just to Clarify ...

You know GAF so well.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Its not devious or anything but its definitely turned me off of future purchases. Just reaching for the bare minimum on your debut port job isn't a great show of confidence.

 

[Holepunch]

With the GREATEST of respects, you say "has anyone here been able to run the game as intended".

There was no commitments to HD modes or 60fps BUT saying that we have played it on various machines at 40fps at 1280x900 etc. Whilst this MAY not be ideal for some of you, it's certainly a lot better than the original Xbox version at 640x480 locked at 30fps.

I was worried about this. Just confirm will you, does JAW have any plan to bring the port up to the usual PC port standards of 60fps at higher resolutions? I mean fine you didn't say you would but is it so wrong I expected the minimal standard of the industry to be found in your product?

 

[plagiarize]

For the record Stranger came out in March 2005, so just over 5 years ago.

i am aware of that. the hardware it is running on remains almost ten years old.

PC gamers don't expect every game to run at 60 fps at 1920 x 1200 no matter what, but when they see a game which is a scaled up Xbox title, they don't expect it to run substantially worse than an Xbox 360 port that looks substantially better than it.

PC gamers are incredibly self entitled to the point that i regularly complain about it. they expect extra shit all the time and i don't think they're right to.

but why would they expect the game to run substantially worse than say Halo 2 or Fable or Psychonauts or Prince of Persia The Two Thrones or Resident Evil 4 or any other title that was on Xbox or GameCube?

 

[GoldenHelmet]

That said, the issues are more than just the framerates (graphical issues, control issues, etc.) and I wouldn't stomach framerates like that on a console either.

The graphic issues like corruption are being caused by ATI Catalyst drivers enabling something called "Catalyst A.I." in advanced settings, if you switch that off, corruption will be fixed.

Control issues, again we did something we thought was cool, that being joypad auto-detection. It did NOT occur to us that you guys wouldn't want this, however we are NOW removing this auto-detection in favour of an option in the launcher.

As for other control issues, we will add support for generic joypads too, NOT just 360 for windows pads.

How does that sound?

 

[GoldenHelmet]

@plagiarize and holepunch

As I said more than once on here now, we ARE looking at performance, we DO believe there is an issue, and we WILL fix this.

Does that not cover your questions re: performance and resolution?

 

[Darklord]

As for other control issues,

I just want to know who decided to use a keyboard control set up for Much that hasn't been seen since the Doom era. Honestly, it perplexes me.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

As a CONSOLE gamer myself, I'm used to games running at 1280x720 with an FPS of 20 to 40fps (GTA4, Assasins etc) and I am fine with that, I do NOT (personally) need to see the game running at 60+ fps to be made happy, the GAME is everything do me.

oh wow

 

[plagiarize]

@plagiarize and holepunch

As I said more than once on here now, we ARE looking at performance, we DO believe there is an issue, and we WILL fix this.

Does that not cover your questions re: performance and resolution?

then don't call me a ninja like it's a bad thing.

when and if you get your performance in a tollerable state i will probably buy your game, but for the time being i am glad i did not.

 

[Glix]

I think it's great that the CEO is posting here. Now that he knows whats up, he said he's going to fix it, lets give them a little time to work it out, and just be happy that the Odd universe is making a comeback!

Anyone know how to get the game to run in a window through steam? I can't find an .exe for DXWnd.

 

[Easy_D]

The graphic issues like corruption are being caused by ATI Catalyst drivers enabling something called "Catalyst A.I." in advanced settings, if you switch that off, corruption will be fixed.

Control issues, again we did something we thought was cool, that being joypad auto-detection. It did NOT occur to us that you guys wouldn't want this, however we are not removing this auto-detection in favour of an option in the launcher.

As for other control issues, we will add support for generic joypads too, NOT just 360 for windows pads.

How does that sound?

Auto-detection is usually fine, but it's much more handy when the game switches the input source instantly.
So if you play with the 360 pad and suddenly press a key on your keyboard or mouse it instantly switches based on input alone.

Imagine playing a game, you're 100% ready with mouse in hand and fingers on your keyboard. You expect a cursor to pop up. "Fine, it doesn't I can understand that" you think.
You proceed to navigate with the arrow keys. "What? What's wrong now?"

Then you figure out you have to disconnect the 360 pad for proper control. Granted, this isn't exactly something that will tear a man apart. But if you play a lot of games with different control styles it can get annoying if you have to plug it in and out repeatedly.

This post is not meant to sound angry. Just expressing my thoughts .


Edit:

I just want to know who decided to use a keyboard control set up for Much that hasn't been seen since the Doom era. Honestly, it perplexes me.

The team that originally worked on the port, would be my guess.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

The graphic issues like corruption are being caused by ATI Catalyst drivers enabling something called "Catalyst A.I." in advanced settings, if you switch that off, corruption will be fixed.

Control issues, again we did something we thought was cool, that being joypad auto-detection. It did NOT occur to us that you guys wouldn't want this, however we are NOW removing this auto-detection in favour of an option in the launcher.

As for other control issues, we will add support for generic joypads too, NOT just 360 for windows pads.

How does that sound?

Wait, do you know what's causing the problems with the 360 controller? In Munch's Odyssey I just spin in circles using the controller. I can't actually walk/run, is there something we need to change in the options to fix it? I'm assuming that's the pad you designed it for? Or is that one of the control issues you're going to fix?

 

[kamspy]

With the GREATEST of respects, you say "has anyone here been able to run the game as intended".

There was no commitments to HD modes or 60fps BUT saying that we have played it on various machines at 40fps at 1280x900 etc. Whilst this MAY not be ideal for some of you, it's certainly a lot better than the original Xbox version at 640x480 locked at 30fps.
....
Just Add Water (Developments) Ltd.

I'll keep these things in mind...

As I said more than once on here now, we ARE looking at performance, we DO believe there is an issue, and we WILL fix this.

Does that not cover your questions re: performance and resolution?

Traditionally, games are completed before they're sold to people.

 

[wwm0nkey]

I think it's great that the CEO is posting here. Now that he knows whats up, he said he's going to fix it, lets give them a little time to work it out, and just be happy that the Odd universe is making a comeback!

Anyone know how to get the game to run in a window through steam? I can't find an .exe for DXWnd.

People will be happy when the patch is done.

Just run the launcher through your PC and not through steam

 

[Teknoman]

Does your screen do 1920? If it doesn't I think that's why it says display failed. I'm assuming medium is 1280, high is 1650, and ultra is 1920 since my laptop would only do low and medium and get display error for high and ultra. Don't know for sure since I haven't been home to try on my 1080p screen.

Nope, the highest res my screen supports is 1440x900. I'll try medium.

 

[GoldenHelmet]

I just want to know who decided to use a keyboard control set up for Much that hasn't been seen since the Doom era. Honestly, it perplexes me.

The original PC development team for Munch, we took over just 5 weeks ago, and that was to get Achievements in.

We WILL fix that in the New Year...

I want to prioritise updates, like so...

1. Issues/Bugs
2. Updates/Improvements.

So we WILL get to it.

 

[GoldenHelmet]

I think it's great that the CEO is posting here. Now that he knows whats up, he said he's going to fix it, lets give them a little time to work it out, and just be happy that the Odd universe is making a comeback!

Anyone know how to get the game to run in a window through steam? I can't find an .exe for DXWnd.

Which game? Munch or Stranger? if stranger it's a setting in LAuncher, if Munch, you can't.... yet.

 

[Teknoman]

Yup, setting resolution to medium and leaving fullscreen checked fixed it.

Not to add fuel to the fire...but the controls menu for Stranger's Wrath does look kinda MSpaintish...

But yeah, heres hoping for a custom res section. Gonna jump back to Munch to see if updating my drivers fixed the ultra-fast animation issue.

 

[Glix]

People will be happy when the patch is done.

Just run the launcher through your PC and not through steam

I'm sorry, I totally suck. Can you elaborate a little more how to do that?

 

[Tendo]

With the GREATEST of respects, you say "has anyone here been able to run the game as intended".

There was no commitments to HD modes or 60fps BUT saying that we have played it on various machines at 40fps at 1280x900 etc. Whilst this MAY not be ideal for some of you, it's certainly a lot better than the original Xbox version at 640x480 locked at 30fps.

... Are you serious? This game is 5 years old, don't try to back peddle and say we never promised that, because that is EXPECTED at this point. If I can run something as intense as Crysis and get stable HD framerates near 60, I should damn well be able to play some 5 year old xbox 1 port. Before I was dissapointed in the game, but this "we never promised anything so you can't get mad" attitude can piss off. You guys are a sham. I am disgusted you have my money.

If I turned in a piss poor piece of work and said "Oh I'll fix it, but I never promised it would go beyond what is required!" I would be fired. You instead get to continue to leach money for the worst port I have ever seen.

I can't wait to see the PS3 ad's. "This one will work! We promise!"

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I think you're doing yourself more harm than good at this point. I'm sure the game will be playable at some point but man. You're citing games like GTA4 and Assassin's Creed. We're talking about an Xbox title. Ported to PC. In 2010. Maybe it's adding to the Master Race stereotype, but is it that wrong to expect it to run like the more comparable stuff? I.E. Fable, Halo 2, Psychonauts? At low to medium settings your port appears to run worse than Crysis maxed out.

I understand now that we're not going to get the product that we expected, even if you guys never really made any promises about what to expect. While I wish the job of bringing Stranger's Wrath to a new audience could have gone to a more capable team, I appreciate you guys coming in here to note the concerns. It's clear your hearts are in it, so thanks.

 

[Munin]

If Stranger's Wrath looks like that and runs the way that it has been reported here, what's gonna happen when you release the "HD update"? Will FPS drop down to 5? But as the "GAME is everything", that's okay, right?

I appreciate the fact that you post here as the CEO and stand up for the work of your company but as far as I can see, your company isn't doing itself any favors with this work...

 

[stuminus3]

As a CONSOLE gamer myself, I'm used to games running at 1280x720 with an FPS of 20 to 40fps (GTA4, Assasins etc) and I am fine with that, I do NOT (personally) need to see the game running at 60+ fps to be made happy, the GAME is everything do me.

Are you fucking kidding me? Are you seriously posting these words?

For the record, GTAIV runs at a much higher framerate on than your crappy hack job does on the same hardware. Hell, even Saint's Row 2, the previous "gold standard" for really bad port jobs, runs much better on my PC. Your junk game runs at 10fps when I stare at the ground looking at nothing but my character's hat and a giant floor texture from the Xbox 1 days. It's unplayable.

It'd be much better if you acknowledge that your game is broken and that you're fixing it instead of telling us that this piece of shit is OK because it's what you're "used" to on consoles. Newflash, buddy - it sucks when console games don't perform well too. I'm so sorry that you seem to think 20-40fps is acceptable when even fucking Nintendo can make a game run at 60fps. And anyway, I certainly don't remember the last time I played a game on console that performed this badly for no apparent reason.

Fuck your "GAME", I don't care if you fix it anymore. What a joke.

 

[Teknoman]

Update: Munch works ok with the most recent ATI update and at a really high framerate. The always run setting fixes the stuck in place analog problem, so you sneak, walk, and run with varying pressure on the stick (as expected). But...still crashed before I got out of the room in the beginning. Not sure what caused it though.

 

[Holepunch]

@plagiarize and holepunch

As I said more than once on here now, we ARE looking at performance, we DO believe there is an issue, and we WILL fix this.

Does that not cover your questions re: performance and resolution?

I'm asking if your intended fix will bring the performance up to 60fps at ridiculous resolutions or getting 40fps at 1280 x 720? I'm basically asking what your definition of "fix" is. Regardless of how you answer, I'm not even sure if it's possible to optimize this game in a quick patch. I'm not a developer but isn't optimizing really, really hard?

 

[Teknoman]

The graphic issues like corruption are being caused by ATI Catalyst drivers enabling something called "Catalyst A.I." in advanced settings, if you switch that off, corruption will be fixed.

Control issues, again we did something we thought was cool, that being joypad auto-detection. It did NOT occur to us that you guys wouldn't want this, however we are NOW removing this auto-detection in favour of an option in the launcher.

As for other control issues, we will add support for generic joypads too, NOT just 360 for windows pads.

How does that sound?

I dunno if theres anything wrong with the auto detection of a gamepad, since most games do that (Bioshock 1 & 2, Fallout 3 & New Vegas, Mirrors Edge, etc.), unless thats whats causing the control issues in Munch (having to set always run in keyboard for analog stick to work properly).

Newflash, buddy - it sucks when console games don't perform well too. I'm so sorry that you seem to think 20-40fps is acceptable when even fucking Nintendo can make a game run at 60fps.

Nintendo always makes great performing games...whats the surprise there?

 

[scitek]

I just want to know who decided to use a keyboard control set up for Much that hasn't been seen since the Doom era. Honestly, it perplexes me.

You can change the entire layout of the control scheme in the options. The only things that need to be fixed are the mouse sensitivity and, with a controller, the right stick acting the same as the left. Camera control with the d-pad makes no sense.

EDIT: I want to say that the camera control with the d-pad thing may have been there in the original Xbox title, not sure. I'm too lazy to hook my Xbox up and find out, though. :lol

 

[McKeeverFever]

Im proficient in MS Paint, any jobs going at JAW

 

[GoldenHelmet]

I'm done here guys, I'm just trying to talk to you like an adult and ask for opinion and suggestion, and offer something back.

I'm NOT trying to piss you off, I'm NOT trying to make you look like children or treat you as such.

Good luck and take care.

 

[PumpkinPie]

I'll wait it out to see if they're going to fix the game before buying. How many years have we waited for this and they bork it? SMH.

 

[stuminus3]

Nintendo always makes great performing games...whats the surprise there?

There is no surprise. I'm angry and typing like a crazy man. :lol

My point was meant to be more like Super Mario Galaxy looks 100x better than Strangers Wrath does on my PC (resolution differences aside) and runs at a silky 60fps on technology from the stone age. There'd be an uproar if it were any other way; I remember how people reacted to Mario Sunshine.

 

[Goon Boon]

I'll wait it out to see if they're going to fix the game before buying. How many years have we waited for this and they bork it? SMH.

Yeah, I saw a whole pile of Strangers Wrath at target once, but then I remembered literally no sound worked on 360. I figured this was a chance to get the game, but I'm not so sure now.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

This thread is NeoGAF Hall of Fame material.

 

[lupinko]

Wait the Oddboxx is a bad port? Oh crap, I just bought this last night with BFBC2 on the sale. =(

 

[Tendo]

I'm done here guys, I'm just trying to talk to you like an adult and ask for opinion and suggestion, and offer something back.

I'm NOT trying to piss you off, I'm NOT trying to make you look like children or treat you as such.

Good luck and take care.

"Just Add Water games. Your satisfaction guaranteed! Or you are a child!"

 

[McKeeverFever]

This thread is NeoGAF Hall of Fame material.

100%

 

[Holepunch]

I'm done here guys, I'm just trying to talk to you like an adult and ask for opinion and suggestion, and offer something back.

I'm NOT trying to piss you off, I'm NOT trying to make you look like children or treat you as such.

Good luck and take care.

...is he serious?

He's serious isn't he?

 

[McKeeverFever]

I'm done here guys, I'm just trying to talk to you like an adult and ask for opinion and suggestion, and offer something back.

I'm NOT trying to piss you off, I'm NOT trying to make you look like children or treat you as such.

Good luck and take care.

Hire a PR person and do lots and LOTS of damage control.

 

[V_Ben]

Oh, well done Gaf. The guy was trying to be calm and reasonable... :/

 

[Dascu]

I'm done here guys, I'm just trying to talk to you like an adult and ask for opinion and suggestion, and offer something back.

I think one of the main points you could do right now is offer some kind of timeframe for when to expect a patch that will fix up the framerate issue in Stranger's Wrath, since most people bought the pack for that game. I know that the issue could be very complex and that you'll need to consult with your programmers to get a good view on it, but it would help out immensely and would ease the minds of those who bought this day one but can't play it.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Wait the Oddboxx is a bad port? Oh crap, I just bought this last night with BFBC2 on the sale. =(

It's probably set to go down in history as one of the most notoriously awful ports we've ever seen. :lol

I'm sure it'll be fixed but I'm not expecting a real PC port like I had expected and it's clear the game should not have been sold as yet. $7.49 was the sale price for just Stranger's Wrath but I definitely would not recommend anyone pay any more than that.

 

[Teknoman]

Yeah, I saw a whole pile of Strangers Wrath at target once, but then I remembered literally no sound worked on 360. I figured this was a chance to get the game, but I'm not so sure now.

No sound? I dont think the 360 even supports Stranger's Wrath.

Oh, well done Gaf. The guy was trying to be calm and reasonable... :/

Eh that was going to happen anyway. Its like when everyone was having Gamespy matchmaking and FOV issues when Borderlands launched on steam. Im sure the same thing is happening at the steam forums too.

 

[Goon Boon]

Oh, well done Gaf. The guy was trying to be calm and reasonable... :/

Yeah, he even called people who like 60fps ninjas, I don't think ninjas is an insult.

Also I may be thinking of Munch is the no sound one.

 

[Syril]

The graphic issues like corruption are being caused by ATI Catalyst drivers enabling something called "Catalyst A.I." in advanced settings, if you switch that off, corruption will be fixed.

Yeah, that didn't work when I tried it, I was still getting that weird dot effect. Are you sure there's not some other setting that needs to be adjusted on top of this?

 

[McKeeverFever]

Oh, well done Gaf. The guy was trying to be calm and reasonable... :/

You obviously didnt shell out your cash on it, id be calm and reasonable if I didn't shell out my hard earned cash on a blatant rushed hack job port.