catpurrcat
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I have both and Hayabusa buttons is my preference too. Really excellent.
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I have both and Hayabusa buttons is my preference too. Really excellent.
This is basically what you wanna do https://support.focusattack.com/hc/en-us/articles/211342103-Cleaning-Sanwa-Kuro-and-Seimitsu-Buttons
If the switch itself is getting stuck even after cleaning it out, just replace the button. It's common to have buttons go out every now and then. I'm the type of person to use a stick almost daily, and for sanwas I'll go through a full set every 12-18 months or so. I'll usually go through a JLF in that course of time as well. Buttons are like $3~ a pop, joysticks are about $25. Again, I am about as heavy as a user can get on these things, so mileage may vary for you.
As far as regular maintenance goes, just pop things open every now and then and clean out the dead skin and gunk build up. If you wanna clean out the inside of your joystick, you'll need to grab some lube for it. FA sells the same stock grease in small amounts so you don't need to get a $25 tube of it https://www.focusattack.com/fa-dab-20-ounce-shin-etsu-silicone-grease-vial/
The "when" is subjective. I get a bit more dead skin build up than others (I guess I'm gross as hell) so I have to pop open a panel and give it a scrub down maybe once or twice month T_T. I don't actually start taking things all the way apart that often though. As long as things are clean and in working order you don't need to mess with it I guess.
Alright, so I'm looking for some advice from people who are familiar with both Japanese and Korean-style sticks.
I'm considering picking up an etokki Omni at some point this year, but I can't decide whether or not I should give the Korean style a shot. I already own several fightsticks with traditional Sanwa balltop joysticks, and I'm very comfortable with them. That being said, the one motion that I've always struggled with on Japanese sticks is dashing, especially to the left. Quickly dashing several times in quick succession has always felt awkward to me on Sanwa sticks given their loose feel. Since they don't return to neutral quickly the double-tap left or right motion takes extra mental effort on my part.
Now I know that Korean sticks are better for this given their extra resistance and how quickly they snap back to neutral, but I've never personally felt one before. Are they as stick as American-style bat tops, or are they sort of an intermediate between the looseness of Sanwa and the overly stiff handling of American joysticks?
I play a bit of everything, but I mostly play 2D fighting games. I only mention that because I always hear that Korean sticks are more of a benefit to Tekken players given how often you're quickly double-tapping in all directions for 3D movemement.
I'm considering picking up an etokki Omni at some point this year, but I can't decide whether or not I should give the Korean style a shot. I already own several fightsticks with traditional Sanwa balltop joysticks, and I'm very comfortable with them. That being said, the one motion that I've always struggled with on Japanese sticks is dashing, especially to the left. Quickly dashing several times in quick succession has always felt awkward to me on Sanwa sticks given their loose feel. Since they don't return to neutral quickly the double-tap left or right motion takes extra mental effort on my part.
Now I know that Korean sticks are better for this given their extra resistance and how quickly they snap back to neutral, but I've never personally felt one before. Are they as stick as American-style bat tops, or are they sort of an intermediate between the looseness of Sanwa and the overly stiff handling of American joysticks?
I play a bit of everything, but I mostly play 2D fighting games. I only mention that because I always hear that Korean sticks are more of a benefit to Tekken players given how often you're quickly double-tapping in all directions for 3D movemement.
If you feel comfortable with opening up your stick, order a crown stick from focus attack or paradise arcade and put it in. Just make sure the stick is JLF compatible.
The etokki onmi is $250+ after shipping. It's a great stick and I own one but it's expensive as fuck.
I use a crown to play Tekken with. Comparing a Korean stick to an American stick comes up a lot but it's a much different kind of thing. You're getting a much stiffer and more "open" feeling than a JP stick for sure, but the dimensions/switches/materials used make actual actuation a lot smoother than something like an American stick.
Switching to a Korean stick in Tekken didn't magically solve my execution problems or make dashing easier really. The types of motions it actually makes a difference in are the ones where you need to return to neutral hitting 1-2 directions along the way, then quickly go to a new direction. Examples being like wavedashing and KR backdash. Those types of motions don't really exist in 2D games. If you have been using JP sticks for years and need something to go to neutral faster, Seimitsu will probably have better options for you.
If you already have a few JP sticks around that you like and are going out of your way to get an eTokki, I would say to grab the KR version just to try it and have something different. It might give you what you're after and it's nice to have in general. I think it's a waste to order a stick from Korea that has the option of having a KR mount and not taking that option(they are basically the only ones to offer it).
If you're worried about it being the big stiff monster like an American stick, I wouldn't. I've used 2 different Crowns now and briefly messed with a Fanta. They have some similarities with American sticks, but make them feel like cheap knock off toys in comparison. That's just my opinion though. I hate American sticks and have used mostly JP ones, but I also use a KR stick and love it just as much as my JP ones.
Also this. You can just try one of the KR sticks that is compatible with a JP mount.
StarCreator
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FWIW if you can shell out for the Brook Universal Fighting Board, installation should be a breeze. Assuming the TE2 doesn't use a compatible wiring pinout, it's just a matter of cutting the wires off the connector, stripping them a bit, then inserting each wire into the screw-in terminals.
If you were local I would offer to do it for free, but I'm sure you could find someone locally willing to help.
ShadowSoldier89
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can also save a few bucks and run the PS4/PS3 only version. Paradise created a breakout board with screw terminals presoldered
https://paradisearcadeshop.com/fgc-...4-fighting-board-with-paradise-breakout-.html
The problem with doing it in a TE2/+ is the USB type madcatz opted for. Its a standardized port, but a really uncommon one. I've already forgotten what its called. once you mount the brook and wire up all the buttons you still have to do something about the USB port.
Options include wiring up the default USB connector, cutting it out and replacing it with a type A, or cutting it out and just running out a cable that cant disconnect easily.
I've decided against ordering the etokki Omni. While I absolutely love the stick's design and build quality, I hate that there is no storage for the cable. That's a dealbreaker for me.
What about the Hori RAP N? I've always liked its design (especially that Start button compartment). How are the Hyabusa parts these days? I've never used them, but I've always heard mixed opinions about Hyabusa when compared to Sanwa.
What about the Hori RAP N? I've always liked its design (especially that Start button compartment). How are the Hyabusa parts these days? I've never used them, but I've always heard mixed opinions about Hyabusa when compared to Sanwa.
catpurrcat
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Arcade shock. They sell gold and silver sanwa buttons. They are running a sale right now because of SCR.
I see the metallic push button that you were talking about, but I'm looking for a push button that is made of metal. (If that is something that exist)
If anybody is selling that, it's probably paradise arcade.
Ah k then, thanks for the help. I'm actually going to order the gold metallic push button so I appreciate the look out!!
PS4 Hori stick with MvC:I for $150
https://newegg.com/products/N82E16879994052
https://newegg.com/products/N82E16879994052
Once again my TE2's lack of a touchpad bites me in the ass. In Samurai Shodown V Special the in-game Start button is mapped to the touchpad and is required for gameplay-related actions like taunting and suicides. I have fewer strategic options when playing online because this fucking stick lacks a touchpad.
God damn it.
Update: Well, I'm an idiot. SSVS does actually let you remap the start button.
That being said, I'm still annoyed with the TE2's lack of a touchpad. Just a baffling omission.
God damn it.
Update: Well, I'm an idiot. SSVS does actually let you remap the start button.
That being said, I'm still annoyed with the TE2's lack of a touchpad. Just a baffling omission.
yeah I am starting to get annoyed by the lack of the touchpad as well. I am just waiting patiently for the fighting edge.
MrMephistoX
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I recently tried out the Xbox One Hori with Hayabusa buttons and kinda want to buy some for my HRAP 4... or just go Sanwa. Do they sell Hayabusa buttons anywhere? I like the matte finish on the Xbone.
catpurrcat
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Yeah focus attack sells them. Again YMMV but I do prefer the hayabusa over sanwa. I wasn't raised in the arcades like many were so i have no emotional connection or preference to begin with. I just find the hayabusa very smooth and responsive.
StayFree( ' 3')
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Thinking of jumping on the 10% off Qanba offer they're doing for SCR. Really need the Obsidian in my life.
Anyone know if Qanba ever does anything better than 10% off promotions? It seems like they never do.
Anyone know if Qanba ever does anything better than 10% off promotions? It seems like they never do.
sixteen-bit
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Their lower end stuff like the Carbon does drops to around 20% off MSRP on Amazon, but I don't see any deals like that on their flagship sticks like Obsidian.
GinoFelino
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Good to hear that coming from you. I'm relatively new to fight sticks, so my opinion about the hayabusa components feels somewhat validated now
Good to hear that coming from you. I'm relatively new to fight sticks, so my opinion about the hayabusa components feels somewhat validated now
I can say they're not bad. The Hayabusa lever is actually better than the JLF in a number of ways, and worse in some others. I still think overall the stock design of the thing isn't good enough yet, but it has higher quality parts than a JLF and is very strong for mods.
The newest button line is also top notch as well. The finish on them rubbing off over time is the only thing I can get grumpy about with them. I'm curious to see how they hold up over time since their past attempts haven't gone so well on that end.
Iunno. I still will always choose Sanwa or Seimitsu over Hori for the time being. I think Hori's line up doesn't have quite the right designs or track record to be on the same level as those two, but they're close enough for people that want something different. I'm hoping that they nail down a new lever at some point that is aimed to be closer to a Seimitsu family of sticks rather than the Hayabusa's interpretation of the JLF. I don't know if they intend to get that far into parts or are just happy to have their own quality solution at all.
GinoFelino
Member
I've got a set of new Sanwa buttons for whenever these ones start to look or feel bad. I had planned to replace them as soon as I got the stick, but I'm liking the buttons too much to replace them so far.
Never tried anything other than Hori when it comes to the actual sticks. I'll have to try a JLF someday.
So I got a new Brooks PCB. The PS4+ Fighting Board v.2017 that just came out.
However, when signing in my PS4 with the the PCB, it automatically switches the audio to "headphone mode". Is there a way to stop this so the output stays to my TV speakers? I mean I can just go into devices and turn headphones mode off, but I don't want to do that every single time I log into a PS4.
Also, do I need to update the drivers? The PCB was just released two weeks ago, but it seems that the newest driver is from June.
EDIT: Turns out I didn't have the headphone output plugged into the PCB. I had to plug in the two outlets on the top of the PCB that is located right by the USB out. Works fine now.
However, when signing in my PS4 with the the PCB, it automatically switches the audio to "headphone mode". Is there a way to stop this so the output stays to my TV speakers? I mean I can just go into devices and turn headphones mode off, but I don't want to do that every single time I log into a PS4.
Also, do I need to update the drivers? The PCB was just released two weeks ago, but it seems that the newest driver is from June.
EDIT: Turns out I didn't have the headphone output plugged into the PCB. I had to plug in the two outlets on the top of the PCB that is located right by the USB out. Works fine now.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
sounds like the PCB is always registering to the PS4 as if headphones were plugged in. Not sure if there would be anything you can do without a firmware update.
If your stick times out after 8 minutes it means it'll need the firmware update thats currently available. If it doesnt time out then it is already updated
StayFree( ' 3')
Member
Thanks for the heads up. Just went ahead and snagged one.
btw fyi, Newegg currently has an offer where any Qanba purchase includes a copy of Tekken 7.
unpurposed
Member
Is anyone here interested in a commission for fight stick art? I'm interested in getting some new artwork for my stick. PM me if so.
J_ToSaveTheDay
Member
I agree. Earlier in the thread, I was mulling over the possibility of grabbing a Razer Panthera after grabbing Hori's Tekken 7 stick, and now I do own both.
There are strengths and weaknesses I personally feel in both types but generally I do find the Hori to be just a tad bit better -- their button more curved layout, stick/button distance spread, and the actual feel of the button presses is fantastic (though not DRASTICALLY better than the Sanwas on the Panthera). I tend to make a few less input errors with the Panthera's actual stick, too, and the easier-access moddability is nice because there are some games I do actually prefer a bat top in.
Going to find a way to slap some less slippery surface to the bottom of the Hori and I think I'll probably just be freely swapping between the two between play sessions. Love both sticks a whole lot, and I got some new buttons from Arcade Shock over the weekend (guess I ordered just before their SCR halt on shipping!) that I installed that make the Panthera just ever-so-slightly more aesthetically pleasing -- I love Razer products personally but I have ALWAYS hated their logo...
sixteen-bit
Member
That's a nice deal, and I want to get into Tekken 7. I'm tempted, lol
katsubento
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For that deal, worth it totally.
hikarutilmitt
Member
Mad Catz did the same thing. It was annoying.
Cool, but they waited way too long to release this. I'm pretty content with my modded TE2+ now, but definitely would have gotten this if it had been out months ago.
sixteen-bit
Member
Coinciding with DBZ hype window
katsubento
Member
I like the original one better.
PlayerReady
Member
There is an online store selling the Mad Cats tournament edition +S for 105 euros, is it worth getting?
I ask because of the PCB issues, are they really all affected?
The after sale service of this site is bad so I don't really want to get in a situation where it will fail and I need to send it back.
I ask because of the PCB issues, are they really all affected?
The after sale service of this site is bad so I don't really want to get in a situation where it will fail and I need to send it back.
Do not buy any Madcatz products that were released after the first couple of lines of the TE2 period. That includes the TE2+ and the TE-S+. Only get them if you are fully committing to a PCB replacement.
sixteen-bit
Member
Yeah the older one definitely does look more premium thanks to the LED touch panel
PlayerReady
Member
I'll take your word for it. I will go for the hori Tekken 7 stock.
Thanks I get the feeling you've saved me a lot of grief.
I'm using the 360 -> PS4 adapter and if there's any lag I can't feel it.
Taco_Human
Member
Hori RAP for the Switch....First arcade stick and I'm playing on PC...this thing is dope.